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Fire at Glasgow Central (08/03/26)

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I more subscribe to the fact it's making international headlines due to the fact it's closed Scotland's largest/busiest station in it's largest city, has caused travel disruption extending south of the border, put several dozen people out of work through destruction of businesses and has destroyed a long-standing landmark at a key junction in the city.

I am not sure Hans in Dusseldorf is worried about Scotland's busiest station. It is a big dramatic fire all caught on camera. It is also very primal. We like FIRE and watching fire! it grabs our attention in a way that building falling down doesn't. I also suspect we all quite like a bit of destruction.

Clearly, OBVISOULY, those impacted by this fire should be first in our thoughts. However, I bet we don't look at a fire and think OMG all those people out of work. We think: WOW that is a big fire. Int it brilliant!
 
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Is that factually incorrect?
The pictures I have of the undercroft construction do not show a building of that stature on the corner. So I would expect a similar construction period once Grahamston had been demolished. 28 years prior to Central opening seems a stretch, Caledonian got powers in 1873 and the 30 years Bridge Street terminus were numbered. The Union Street frontage south of the pedestrian entrance steps was similarly built at the same time (as it provided vehicular access to the first undercroft level).
 

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I'm reminded that Egyptian Halls literally across the street has been under a 'temporary hoarding' for fifteen - sixteen years now. Meanwhile the old RBS building opposite Queen St station has been planned as a new Bloc hotel since before the pandemic and the temporary hoarding on that is as grotty as the building it hides. As for the GSA we all know how long that project has taken (so far). In recent decades the city centre really doesn't have a great reputation for rebuilding anything. I am not exactly confident that the station side of Union St is going to be any different.
I wish I could disagree with this, but I can't. As another example, look how long it took for anything to happen to the block on Trongate/Candleriggs in the Merchant City. Or the former site of the Elgin Place Congregational Church on Bath St or the former police building on Pitt St nearby.
 

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Plus some wilder conspiracy theories about it being an insurance job, which might well be applicable to some other fires but this one is well enough documented to be clear that that wasn't what went on.

There used to be a standing joke that buildings weren't set on fire in Scotland, but buildings simply "went on fire". Usually referring to insurance jobs! :D
 
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Noting that nearby residents were advised to keep windows closed:

Toxic fluoride gas emissions from lithium-ion battery fires​


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-09784-z

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Nearby residents are always advised to keep windows shut whenever there's a reasonable size fire, it's nothing specific here.
 

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You will be unsurprised to find, if you do, that there is indeed a liberal sprinkling (!) of racism going on there regarding this incident. Plus some wilder conspiracy theories about it being an insurance job, which might well be applicable to some other fires but this one is well enough documented to be clear that that wasn't what went on.
Sadly a lot of comment sections have become targets for people to just type "insurance job!" or "brown envelopes!" without thinking. Almost like a tic or similar.

I've not replied to this thread yet, just to say that it's a relief to see the station itself largely untouched or unsafe. I was there a few months ago to 'do' Glasgow properly for really the first time and I really liked it.
 

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Indeed, it gained the nickname 'Tinderbox City', for a reason.
And that reason was not "inconveniently listed development sites". It was due to old Victorian warehouses with little or no fire protection being used for potentially dangerous purposes - bonded warehouses, clothing manufacture, cash and carry. The Cheapside Street fire of 1960 cost the lives of 19 firefighters and Salvage Corps personnel.
 

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And that reason was not "inconveniently listed development sites". It was due to old Victorian warehouses with little or no fire protection being used for potentially dangerous purposes - bonded warehouses, clothing manufacture, cash and carry. The Cheapside Street fire of 1960 cost the lives of 19 firefighters and Salvage Corps personnel.

Yes but the modern day trend of listed building fires isn't doing anything to counter the tinderbox city nickname, is it?
 

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All credit to that fireman up at the top of the highest elevated hose unit, in the forefront of many images, who must have been up there for hours.
All credit to the fire brigade in general. Fought like lions throughout the evening and into the early hours to keep the flames from spreading to Central and the Hotel.
 

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I am not sure Hans in Dusseldorf is worried about Scotland's busiest station. It is a big dramatic fire all caught on camera. It is also very primal. We like FIRE and watching fire! it grabs our attention in a way that building falling down doesn't. I also suspect we all quite like a bit of destruction.

Clearly, OBVISOULY, those impacted by this fire should be first in our thoughts. However, I bet we don't look at a fire and think OMG all those people out of work. We think: WOW that is a big fire. Int it brilliant!
Martin from Duisburg however is concerned. I use that station about once a year, love its architecture and if it were seriously damaged it would seriously sadden me. I also have friends in Glasgow. So maybe Hans has an issue too. But generally I agree. Dramatic pictures make great news. Max Mustermann from Musterstadt probably could not find Glasgow on a map and thinks it is in Enlgand.
 

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Martin from Duisburg however is concerned. I use that station about once a year, love its architecture and if it were seriously damaged it would seriously sadden me. I also have friends in Glasgow. So maybe Hans has an issue too. But generally I agree. Dramatic pictures make great news. Max Mustermann from Musterstadt probably could not find Glasgow on a map and thinks it is in Enlgand.
And to be fair it happens the other way around - our domestic news channels covered the collapse of Dresden’s Carolabruecke - and those shots were a lot less dramatic.
 

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I am not sure Hans in Dusseldorf is worried about Scotland's busiest station. It is a big dramatic fire all caught on camera. It is also very primal. We like FIRE and watching fire! it grabs our attention in a way that building falling down doesn't. I also suspect we all quite like a bit of destruction.

Clearly, OBVISOULY, those impacted by this fire should be first in our thoughts. However, I bet we don't look at a fire and think OMG all those people out of work. We think: WOW that is a big fire. Int it brilliant!
On a baseline, primal level, yes, that is true. Can't deny the pictures from last night were dramatic, as painful as they were for me as a Glaswegian to see. Drama sells papers/gets online hits, unfortuntely a fact of life.

The average American or German wouldn't give 2 hoots about this and likely couldn't find Glasgow on a map, true, but some undoubtedly will have been following what happened for any number of reasons (as exemplified by @duesselmartin above).

In my case though (can't speak for anyone else), those quickly gave way to thoughts of how many folk and businesses will be and have been affected by this. Whether it's because yet another of my city's landmarks has gone up in smoke or the local ecomony has to tank yet another hit or a combination of both, I don't know.
 

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A couple of pages from a 2010 book "Tinderbox Heroes" published by the Strathclyde Fire and Rescue Retired Employees Association.
 

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Don't know if this has been mentioned here, can't find it:


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Pure speculation, let alone an architect not being qualified to comment on matters such as that, even a structural engineer cannot speak with certainty without actually having seen it themselves in person, or at least some very detailed images. I've barely even seen images of the roof, let alone its support.
 
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Don't know if this has been mentioned here, can't find it:


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The architect in question is Alan Dunlop, who was apparently the "leading architect" in the 1990s restoration of Central Station. Key point attributed to him is that "It looks as though the damage has significantly affected the roof of Central Station. I don't know how it would not have."

The rest of the article is variation on that theme - but no real clarification of why he is so convinced that the roof is significantly affected.
 

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The architect in question is Alan Dunlop, who was apparently the "leading architect" in the 1990s restoration of Central Station. Key point attributed to him is that "It looks as though the damage has significantly affected the roof of Central Station. I don't know how it would not have."

The rest of the article is variation on that theme - but no real clarification of why he is so convinced that the roof is significantly affected.
The text below is taken from bbc news website where the leader of Glasgow city council says the fire brigade saved. Central station as it came very close to it's

The leader of Glasgow City Council has praised crews who battled the fire back before it was able to reach Central Station.

Susan Aitken said she was “upset” to see the scale of the damage on Union Street in the aftermath of the blaze on Monday.

But she described the efforts of emergency responders as “phenomenal”.

“I think they have saved Central Station and they have saved the central hotel,” she told BBC Scotland News.

“It came very close to Central Station. The firefighters created firewalls, firefighting from inside the building that was affected to make sure the buildings around it were protected."
 

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Don't know if this has been mentioned here, can't find it:


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full text of the article (it's actually quite easy to get the text for free with a very small amount of tech knowledge!)


The leading architect behind the refurbishment of Glasgow Central Station more than 25 years ago has warned its roof will have to be rebuilt.

Alan Dunlop told The Herald that the iconic glass structure is fragile and will have been damaged by the blaze which broke out in a nearby building in Union Street yesterday afternoon.
"It looks as though the damage has significantly affected the roof of Central Station. I don't know how it would not have.
"The restoration of the station was one of my architectural projects... I can't imagine how the roof of Central Station which is glass won't be significantly affected by the damage caused by the fire," he said.
"I am absolutely positive it will be. It is a completely glass roof and there was such an inferno there I can't imagine how the glass won't be affected."
Mr Dunlop was involved in the refurbishment of the station more than 25 years ago, including work to the roof, the station frontage and to the Hielanman's Umbrella, the Glaswegian nickname for the glass walled railway bridge which carries the platforms of Glasgow Central station across Argyle Street.
Asked how much and how long it would take to rebuild the roof, he said it would be tens of millions of pounds.
"It will depend on whether the steel works which supports the glass is affected," he added.
"A survey will have to be done for that but I can't see how the glass would remain in tact as it was quite fragile.
Glasgow Central Station has a glass roof (Image: Gordon Terris)
"I can't believe Central Station won't be without damage particularly to the roof. I believe that consquently the station will be closed for a long time.
"It will have to be closed entirely or have managed access to the trains while the roof is finished."
Firefighters rushed to the scene after the alarm was raised after reports of a fire in a vape shop in Union Street at about 3.45pm on Sunday.
The station was closed as firefighters tackled the blaze - which later caused the building on Union Street where the fire broke out to collapse. No-one has been reported to be injured.
The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service said this morning nine appliances and three high-reach vehicles remain at the scene.
The fire took hold of the Victorian buildings neighbouring the station and the dome at one corner collapsed.
A spokesperson for Network Rail said today: “Glasgow Central Station remains closed following the fire in a building on Union Street on Sunday.
“While the fire is now under control, emergency services are still on site and we continue to support their response.
“The station will remain closed today and likely tomorrow. Timescales for reopening will only be confirmed once we are able to safely gain access and carry out the necessary checks.
“All services to and from Glasgow Central are currently suspended, and passengers should continue to follow alternative travel arrangements as advised by their train operators.
“We will provide further updates as soon as more information is available.”
On its website Network Rail says that in the 1990s, as part of the Railtrack Station Regeneration Programme in Scotland, Railtrack spent £80m refurbishing the station with conservation in mind.
This included refurbishing the roof structure, restoration of glazed screens and new station buildings were built to mimic the original James Millar structures of the original station and the restoration of the Hielanman’s Umbrella.
 

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There've been roadworks there for a long time, Google maps may be reporting on that. The current roadworks are these, which are overrunning - work to make Argyle Street "friendlier", this is a report from the Glasgow Times: https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/scottish-news/25709888.argyle-street-glasgow-close-one-month/

I don't think roadworks would prevent them reopening low level using just the Hope and Argyle Street entrances.
I'd forgotten about the roadworks. Hope Street also shows as closed but I'd be surprised if that applies to pedestrians. It's nowhere near the fire.
 

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full text of the article (it's actually quite easy to get the text for free with a very small amount of tech knowledge!)
So he is saying it will be damaged, but hasn't seen any proof to say it has been?

On twitter Network rail Scotland provided an update and the person doing the video is stood on the concourse of central station, with fire brigade hoses on ground behind him.

If there was any risk of glass being damaged I highly doubt the NR man would have been allowed on station.

And in the main bullet points on there article the say 'Network Rail said it had not identified any significant damage to the station itself, but there is no estimate on when the station will reopen'.

 
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So he is saying it will be damaged, but hasn't seen any proof to say it has been?

On twitter Network rail Scotland provided an update and the person doing the video is stood on the concourse of central station, with fire brigade hoses on ground behind him.

If there was any risk of glass being damaged I highly doubt the NR man would have been allowed on station.
There is a difference between a single representative being allowed onto a site (with protective clothing?) where there is no immediate risk of failure, and letting the public in where there is a known risk to the integrity of the roof.

I suspect surveyors will be very busy assessing how cooked that part of the roof is, and what risk there is to the general public from that heat - and quite where it sits.
 

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There is a difference between a single representative being allowed onto a site (with protective clothing?) where there is no immediate risk of failure, and letting the public in where there is a known risk to the integrity of the roof.

I suspect surveyors will be very busy assessing how cooked that part of the roof is, and what risk there is to the general public from that heat - and quite where it sits.
My point, maybe put across poorly, is that the Architect is saying that there is damage yet has not seen the roof, so can not what, if any damage there is.
It seems a paper has approached him and published a story with no actual facts about damage
 

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I’m assuming they’re going to be moving the 390s that are stuck in the station as WCR 57314 is currently heading north to Glasgow on this working.
 

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I’m assuming they’re going to be moving the 390s that are stuck in the station as WCR 57314 is currently heading north to Glasgow on this working.
Hmm. That might be a sign that Central won't open too soon.
 

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My point, maybe put across poorly, is that the Architect is saying that there is damage yet has not seen the roof, so can not what, if any damage there is.
It seems a paper has approached him and published a story with no actual facts about damage
Fair comment. I also think his were fair comments given his involvement with the restoration project, and his knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of the design.
 

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I was wondering how the Avanti 1st Class Lounge fitted in as I remembered looking out on to Union Street Street from the windows. It’s actually in Caledonian Chambers so quite a bit further south from where the fire was last night. 1st photo mine, 2nd a screenshot from a Network Rail video about the opening.

EDIT: removed duff link to video

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