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Maybe Edinburgh crews don't sign Whifflet?Operational convenience rather than that of the public. Can’t they terminate at Whifflet, where passengers could at least pick up a Dalmuir service?
Maybe Edinburgh crews don't sign Whifflet?Operational convenience rather than that of the public. Can’t they terminate at Whifflet, where passengers could at least pick up a Dalmuir service?
Anything terminating at Pollokshields West could run on to the Terminus Curve and reverse there, route knowledge permitting. Pollokshields East is more of a challenge if even possible. (Edit) There’s a crossover just past Pollokshields East that is now (presumably) wired and signalled. Note for @takno - there’s no ‘C’ in the ‘Pollok’ part of any of the four stations around there.I don't believe either of the Pollokshields have the appropriate infrastructure to allow turnbacks without significant wrong road running?
That might be an issue. Nobody available to conduct?Maybe Edinburgh crews don't sign Whifflet?
They don't. Neither will Glasgow Central crews. Only Motherwell and Yoker drivers now, and no conductors because its only served by DOO services now - that means that even though you could maybe dig up drivers to route conduct, you couldn't dig up anyone to route conduct the conductor so it's more or less impossible to run (drivers cannot conduct guards).Maybe Edinburgh crews don't sign Whifflet?
Maybe Edinburgh crews don't sign Whifflet?
Ticket acceptance in place allowing passengers to take any alternate ScotRail route that works, as well as McGills buses.ScotRail customer advice:
The following services will be suspended in both directions:
- Edinburgh to Glasgow via Shotts / Carstairs
- Glasgow Central circular services
- Glasgow Central to Paisley Canal
- Glasgow Central to Newton
- Glasgow Central to Barrhead
- Glasgow Central to Neilston
- Glasgow Central to East Kilbride
- Glasgow Central to Ardrossan South Beach / Ardrossan Harbour
- Glasgow Central to Auchinleck
The following service alterations are in place:
- Glasgow Central to Gourock services will be reduced to one train per hour in each direction and revised to start / terminate from Paisley Gilmour Street
- Glasgow Central to Wemyss Bay services will be reduced to one train per hour in each direction and will be revised to start / terminate from Port Glasgow
- Glasgow Central to Largs services will be revised to start / terminate from Kilwinning
- Glasgow Central to Lanark services will be revised to start / terminate from Motherwell
- Glasgow Central to Kilmarnock services will be revised to start / terminate from Barrhead
- One train per hour will operate between Glasgow Central and Ayr and will be revised to start / terminate from Paisley Gilmour Street
- Glasgow Central to Dumfries / Carlisle will be revised to start / terminate from Kilmarnock
- Glasgow Central to Stranraer services will be revised to start / terminate from Kilmarnock
- Glasgow Central low level services will be revised to not call at Glasgow Central
Academic as the Shotts line is now suspended UFN, but maybe Carfin would be a better option for onward bus connections?Correct we dont, I suspect Glasgow Central guards don't have it either. With hindsight maybe it was unfortunate to rationalise the interchange facilities at Holytown - it once was a major hub.
No injuries have been reported thankfully. That should be the main thing to take away from this, as tragic as the loss of yet another Glasgow landmark (the domed building on the Union/Gordon St corner, not Central ofc) is. That and the efforts of the emergency services. Fought like hell in a incredibly trying situation to get this fire under control. Never mind giving them their flowers, they deserve a full rose garden each for their efforts tonight.I hope no-one has been injured
I hope no-one has been injured
No trains will be running to and from Glasgow Central due to an emergency services incident at the station on Sunday 8th March.
An amended train service will run to Preston, Carlisle and Motherwell, enabling customers to connect with trains to Edinburgh and local services to the Glasgow area. Customers are strongly encouraged to check before they travel.
Tickets between London Euston and Glasgow Central will be accepted on LNER services via the East Coast Main Line.
Any customers with tickets dated Sunday 8th or Monday 9th March from Glasgow Central to London Euston can use their ticket on any Avanti West Coast train on Tuesday 10th March.
Alternatively, if you abandoned your journey as a result of the disruption you can claim a fee-free refund from where you bought your ticket.
Do we know if the fire has actually been extinguished yet or has everything just gone quiet for a bit?
UPDATE AT 6.30AM ON MONDAY, 9 MARCH
The response to the commercial building fire on Union Street, Glasgow, has now been reduced, with nine fire appliances and three high-reach vehicles remaining at the scene.
Members of the public are still advised to avoid the area where possible, and nearby residents should keep windows closed as a precaution.
A Scottish Fire and Rescue Service spokesperson said: "We were alerted at 3.46pm on Sunday, 8 March, to reports of a fire affecting the ground floor of a four-storey commercial building on Union Street, Glasgow.
"At its height, 18 appliances and specialist resources were mobilised. The incident has since been scaled back and nine appliances, including three high-reach vehicles, remain in attendance.
"There are no reported casualties."
Where does it stop though. Don't mobile phones use similar battery types?Lots of talk about vape shops will they have to move if close to other stations? Also the blue lagoon has been on fire 3 times so perhaps that area needs to be non retail?
Since there doesn't appear to be an epidemic of burning vape shops, no. Also, I'm sure there are many businesses which store flammable material next to railway stations.Lots of talk about vape shops will they have to move if close to other stations?
Not common in shops, but vape battery fires are a major concern for waste handlers, pointing to a high risk profile compared to other products.Since there doesn't appear to be an epidemic of burning vape shops, no.
The incorrect disposal of vapes, in general and recycling waste, is an issue that is costing the waste industry millions of pounds and threatening livelihoods and lives, a company says.
One recycling facility in Aldridge said it was retrieving thousands of wrongly-disposed vapes each month.
Regional manager of the Biffa-run site, Luke Walter, said a "devastating" fire caused by a lithium battery in 2025 had shut the site for six months for it to be rebuilt.
"There is a misconception that they're harmless and people think they're doing the right thing putting them in the recycling," he said, "but they're causing significant problems for the industry and putting people's lives at risk".
Are there no hard rules regarding the storage of vast quantities of lithium batteries within premises such as vape shops? In other situations one might expect pretty firm fire precautions if you were sitting on a fire risk like that; you do wonder how these places get insured if their stock is that volatile?Since there doesn't appear to be an epidemic of burning vape shops, no. Also, I'm sure there are many businesses which store flammable material next to railway stations.
Technology may be similar, but regulation is much different. There are few mobile phones on offer that don't meet current safety / consumer regulations, while there is a huge number of non-compliant vapes on the market. While it's very much in the interest of a mobile phone manufacturer to make sure their product doesn't spontaneously combust, that's not really in the mindset of many of the "as-cheap-as-possible" "its-going-to-landfill-anyway" vape manufacturers.Where does it stop though. Don't mobile phones use similar battery types?
I suspect for many of these vape shops, having comprehensive insurance would mean they are no longer viable. I doubt the insurance companies have much of an idea of how much stock / how the stock is stored. In a way, it's not in their interest to pry too much, if the insuree is doing things against the terms of their agreement, then they can simply wash their hands of any problems.you do wonder how these places get insured if their stock is that volatile?
A very valid point.Technology may be similar, but regulation is much different. There are few mobile phones on offer that don't meet current safety / consumer regulations, while there is a huge number of non-compliant vapes on the market. While it's very much in the interest of a mobile phone manufacturer to make sure their product doesn't spontaneously combust, that's not really in the mindset of many of the "as-cheap-as-possible" "its-going-to-landfill-anyway" vape manufacturers.
The thing is, it's hard to.make dirt cheap mobile phones which people want to buy, which is why there's probably only about a dozen manufacturers selling phones in a typical mobile phone shop here. They have to invest huge amounts into design and manufacturing for a fairly expensive product, so they have all the incentive to get UKCA approval or whatever is needed.Where does it stop though. Don't mobile phones use similar battery types?
One of the issues will be working out how to pull what remains down in a safe and controlled manner to avoid causing further damage to the adjacent buildings.Looking at photos and drone footage from this morning, it looks very unstable and completely gutted inside. I can't see that they'll want to leave what remains there up for too long, though I'm not structural engineer!
On the other hand, once a fire starts it doesn't matter if you've got a shop full of dodgy vapes or a shop full of iPhones, that's still a big pile of lithium batteries that are going to burn.Are there no hard rules regarding the storage of vast quantities of lithium batteries within premises such as vape shops? In other situations one might expect pretty firm fire precautions if you were sitting on a fire risk like that; you do wonder how these places get insured if their stock is that volatile?
Not that I could see and hear. They are being reasonably neutral on the matter.Surely GBNews are pushing the "vape shops are all run by illegals" line by now, or is that just Rupert Lowe?
NoGBeebies blaming immigrants yet?
Not criticism of the fire brigade, but 12* appliances remaining at the scene out of the previous 18 is not much of a stand down!Update from the fire service:
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Media statement: Large building fire on Union Street, Glasgow
Media statement: Crews are currently tackling large building fire in Glasgowwww.firescotland.gov.uk
'People', in general, aren't bothered. They buy, they inhale, they throw. In the same way they throw the cellophane wrapper off cigarette boxes out of the car window. Someone else's problem. Until the costs come back to hit them in the form of higher council tax, but that's lost in the general maximum 4.9999% council tax increase every year anyway.As well as the lithium batteries, are the vapes not made from plastic bodies containing flammable liquids, so from a fire safety point of view extremely hazardous when hundreds/thousands of them are stored in boxes in a shop? Did the shop have a suitable fire suppression system or sprinklers?
I am aware of several bin wagons that have gone up in flames due to batteries and these sort of things being put in the rubbish, and people need to be aware.