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It'll be interesting to see how far ZEZs (zero emissions zones) get. I think London might consider it within Zone 1 as per the original LEZ. Oxford already has, and a few other particularly anti-car places like Cambridge might. But I think the development of vehicles and increased uptake of EVs is likely to render such zones unnecessary in a lot of places. It's already the case that there are almost no non-ULEZ compliant petrols still on the road, another ten years and there'll be hardly any such diesels either.
The hardware to administer a zero emissions zone is only going to get cheaper, and can also be used for congestion charging. Adding penalty charges based on emissions will be easy. It then becomes a political decision as to whether they are applied.
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It is a privilege from the point of view of being able to charge an EV at home. Or rather, those without a driveway are underprivileged.
In a country as densely populated as England we can't expect everyone to have their own parking place. Apartments like mine were likely intended for those who are car-free... which I was until a couple of years ago. I could move but that's easier said than done, and very time consuming.
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It is quite possible to have a privileged majority - the two are not mutually exclusive.
With ICEs we are in danger of creating an underprivileged minority - a significant minority.
Or are we going to say I am alright jack. You can go suck it if you cannot get to the out of town shops.
We have stupidly encouraged car culture and I see nothing being done to address that. There are plenty of people who will struggle to own and operate an EV - we risk making them feel alienated. So we need to improve public transport particularly outside the big cities and we need a return to more local shops and shops in town centres where the buses go.
I do not have off street parking so charging will be a challenge. Not too serious as I hardly drive BUT I do need a car that can do more than 200 miles when I need it. I think after my current car expires it will be one more ICE banger (12+ years old at time of purchase) then hopefully second hand EVs will be plentiful and reasonable charging also.
It is not too big a deal for me as I almost do not need a car and have gone periods without a car. But I live in Greater London and am retired.
It is a privilege from the point of view of being able to charge an EV at home. Or rather, those without a driveway are underprivileged.
In a country as densely populated as England we can't expect everyone to have their own parking place. Apartments like mine were likely intended for those who are car-free... which I was until a couple of years ago. I could move but that's easier said than done, and very time consuming.
Also if moving is the solution then the risk is who else would want to move into where you currently are ?.
It risks becoming a case of no drive = no car = no mobility. At first no EV but eventually no ICE as supplies of second hand ICEs dry up.
Charging away from ones drive (if you have one) is always going to be a bit inconvenient BUT expecting people to pay a lot more for the same electricity smacks of unfair. That is something legislators should deal with - after all they created that problem.
Leaving aside my personal preference, my position has always been that EVs aren't suitable for everyone (subject to technology improvements in the future) therefore the case for wholesale adoption isn't there (yet).
Certain segments of the wider vehicle fleet, particularly long distance LGVs, are a long way from being able to transition outside of a few edge-cases for publicity and "greenwashing". Unless you believe Mr. Musk aka "Electric Jesus" and his increasingly dubious proclamations. The next "great leap forwards" on that front almost certainly won't be the Tesla Semi.
They're nicer to drive, have power available in an instant, cost less to maintain, can be charged for peanuts (not by everyone, but I can) and if energy prices continue to rise then I've invested in solar so can actually charge my car from that if I need to.
Right now, I export the excess energy for money instead and when demand is high, I can now be paid £1.15 per kWh to help support local homes needing power.
Plus, Elon is no 'Electric Jesus'. He's a snake oil salesman who saw money to be made in electric vehicles. I am certain he doesn't care one bit about the environment (look at SpaceX for one, plus the huge demands of data centres for AI).
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When I bought my first property, I made sure it had a parking space because I had a car. Nobody should have any expectation of the right to park on a public highway. I later got two cars, so when I moved I made sure the home had a driveway with enough room.
Obviously some people don't get a choice, such as growing up in a home without parking, but if you have a car - even an ICE one - you have to always be aware that you may not be able to park near to home if you don't have your own space.
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And there are some "reasons" that are spurious, such as people who are driving 500 miles non stop (iron bladders!) who really should be prevented from doing so. The tachograph rules are a good guide for the most driving any given driver should even consider doing in one go even if they're not legally applicable, and EVs having a slightly lesser range than ICEs might help with that. But as most mainstream EVs have a range of 200+ miles now, they would work for most people, and those driving long distances often stand to save a fortune, at least until adoption gets very high at which point taxation is likely to catch up.
I don't believe many people actually do the journeys they come up with to attack EVs. When EVs have similar or greater ranges, I am sure it will never be mentioned again.
Indeed, if EV ranges exceed that of the average ICE car, people are going to say 'What's the point in having such a long range when you'll hardly ever need to go that far, and you'll be stopping anyway?'.
Personally, I think the average person could likely do with a car offering a range of 200-300 miles, which will be lower in winter, but if the car has a decent charge rate/charge curve - at least 100kWh and perhaps nearer 200 - then it will be easy to top up when stopping for a toilet break or to get a drink (including sitting in the car to have a drink and sandwich).
When destination charging is more widespread, you won't need to charge up to arrive at your destination with enough charge for your return journey.. which means less time charging on your outbound trip. Suddenly the 'five minutes to fill your tank' will be comparable, especially as the EV owner parks up, plugs in, does his/her things, unplugs and goes. The ICE owner parks up, does his/her things, goes to the petrol station and then fills up and goes; pretty much the same amount of time.
Personally, I think the average person could likely do with a car offering a range of 200-300 miles, which will be lower in winter, but if the car has a decent charge rate/charge curve - at least 100kWh and perhaps nearer 200 - then it will be easy to top up when stopping for a toilet break or to get a drink (including sitting in the car to have a drink and sandwich).
I would agree with this, and it was actually one reason I didn't go EV this time but almost certainly will next. My approach is almost always* to buy 2-3 years old used by way of an unsecured personal loan. This I find, while it doesn't give the lowest monthly payments, to be the best value overall, not least because it provides an emergency cash buffer - I can take it to WeBuyAnyCar and cash it in but keep the loan going if I need money in emergency. There weren't enough EVs of the kind I wanted** with that sort of range at a price I could afford on the used market. There are now, and as a result my next car (in about 2 years or so, though some factors could persuade me to change sooner) will almost certainly be an EV.
I did consider the Kia e-Niro (original version) though, but the ICE choice (also a Kia - Ceed estate) won out on boot capacity.
* If MG ever do bring out the MG4 Estate I might well buy one new, though.
** Either a family sized estate or lowish riding SUV like the Skoda Enyaq or Pug 5008 with a large boot. MG5 would be fine but it's too tight on space for the driver.
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It is quite likely that London and inner London at that, that (at least from my observation) has the highest proportion of EVs - despite the lack of off street parking and charging!
I would agree with this, and it was actually one reason I didn't go EV this time but almost certainly will next. My approach is almost always* to buy 2-3 years old used by way of an unsecured personal loan. This I find, while it doesn't give the lowest monthly payments, to be the best value overall, not least because it provides an emergency cash buffer - I can take it to WeBuyAnyCar and cash it in but keep the loan going if I need money in emergency. There weren't enough EVs of the kind I wanted** with that sort of range at a price I could afford on the used market. There are now, and as a result my next car (in about 2 years or so, though some factors could persuade me to change sooner) will almost certainly be an EV.
I did consider the Kia e-Niro (original version) though, but the ICE choice (also a Kia - Ceed estate) won out on boot capacity.
* If MG ever do bring out the MG4 Estate I might well buy one new, though.
** Either a family sized estate or lowish riding SUV like the Skoda Enyaq or Pug 5008 with a large boot. MG5 would be fine but it's too tight on space for the driver.
Normally cars between 5-10 years old. There is barely any difference between cars now, except gimmicky touchscreens.
My 9 year old BMW more or less has the same engine as a new one (bar some minor tweaks)
I'd rather drive an older nicer car than a newer cheaper car with some lethargic 1.5 engine
A few years ago there was loads of talk/hype about smart fuels, implying we'd soon have fuel for ICE cars that were good for the environment or something.
I was speaking to someone at Aston Martin a couple of years back who was absolutely convinced that synthetic fuel produced in a carbon neutral way was the future. I suggested we have that discussion again in 2030 and see.
I don't believe many people actually do the journeys they come up with to attack EVs. When EVs have similar or greater ranges, I am sure it will never be mentioned again.
Funnily enough I do do those journeys several times a year: usually Highlands to Herts from mid afternoon to late evening. 4-500 miles. Usually 2 stops, sometimes 3, occaisonally 1. An EV will be more than suitable.
Personally, I think the average person could likely do with a car offering a range of 200-300 miles, which will be lower in winter, but if the car has a decent charge rate/charge curve - at least 100kWh and perhaps nearer 200
I think 350miles is probably the answer. That covers almost all trips made in this country without mid journey charging, and longer (250 miles plus) trips in this country with charging covered at the breaks you need.
While I agree with you that modern turbodiesels are horribly lethargic (one reason I switched back to petrol) my lungs would massively rather you didn't (or if you must, please choose petrol). And an EV is anything but lethargic - even the cheapest ones are like a go-kart.
People go on about carbon, but the strongest reason in favour of EV is pollution at the point of use. You can taste the pollution from middle aged diesels. A bit like Voyagers at New St (I'm just waiting for a member of staff to develop COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease - basically super-asthma) and sue over that, to be honest, it's truly awful).
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I was speaking to someone at Aston Martin a couple of years back who was absolutely convinced that synthetic fuel produced in a carbon neutral way was the future. I suggested we have that discussion again in 2030 and see.
I think 350miles is probably the answer. That covers almost all trips made in this country without mid journey charging, and longer (250 miles plus) trips in this country with charging covered at the breaks you need.
I tend to agree, with the caveat that extra range currently means extra weight. Perhaps with changes in battery technology, who knows.... For a lot of people, 350 miles of range is mentally reassuring rather than physically necessary.
What's wrong with mid journey charging anyway?
(Picture shows a charging rate of 204 kW, also showing as 901 miles per hour.)
I was speaking to someone at Aston Martin a couple of years back who was absolutely convinced that synthetic fuel produced in a carbon neutral way was the future. I suggested we have that discussion again in 2030 and see.
While I agree with you that modern turbodiesels are horribly lethargic (one reason I switched back to petrol) my lungs would massively rather you didn't (or if you must, please choose petrol). And an EV is anything but lethargic - even the cheapest ones are like a go-kart.
People go on about carbon, but the strongest reason in favour of EV is pollution at the point of use. You can taste the pollution from middle aged diesels. A bit like Voyagers at New St (I'm just waiting for a member of staff to develop COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease - basically super-asthma) and sue over that, to be honest, it's truly awful).
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I suspect synthetic fuels will have a role for classics, but at a very high price, not as a mainstream product.
A 10 year old diesel and a modern one is the same, Euro 6 is late 2014 onwards which is almost 12 years ago
You're going on about an old Euro3/4 diesel which is completely different and becoming rarer as they are 15+ years old now
I was speaking to someone at Aston Martin a couple of years back who was absolutely convinced that synthetic fuel produced in a carbon neutral way was the future.
If we were only now coming up with the idea of self-propelled road vehicles, they would be electric and nobody would consider anything else.
Surely nobody would seriously go to the trouble of:
designing a machine to turn explosive liquid fuel into motion
making it small enough to fit in a car
designing and building the infrastructure to synthesise and distribute that extremely hazardous explosive fuel to the public (at greater cost than electricity!)
putting up with the additional noise and vibrations produced by said machine as the fuel explodes inside it
dealing with the air quality problems caused by burning fuel at such a scale, and associated health effects
just so that these newfangled cars could travel 500 miles rather than 300?
The ICE is a technology approaching obsolescence in most mainstream applications, that is only really with us as legacy of the particular route we took to develop the technology available to us now, and it would be even if we had an infinite supply of oil... I'm not sure how an attempt to extend its life with synthetic fuels is really meant to benefit anyone
Surely nobody would seriously go to the trouble of:
designing a machine to turn explosive liquid fuel into motion
making it small enough to fit in a car
designing and building the infrastructure to synthesise and distribute that extremely hazardous explosive fuel to the public (at greater cost than electricity!)
putting up with the additional noise and vibrations produced by said machine as the fuel explodes inside it
dealing with the air quality problems caused by burning fuel at such a scale, and associated health effects
just so that these newfangled cars could travel 500 miles rather than 300?
The ICE is a technology approaching obsolescence in most mainstream applications, that is only really with us as legacy of the particular route we took to develop the technology available to us now, and it would be even if we had an infinite supply of oil... I'm not sure how an attempt to extend its life with synthetic fuels is really meant to benefit anyone
Indeed. I keep hearing people talk of the cost of developing green energy solutions. Solar is expensive. Wind is expensive. Windfarms need maintenance and blades last only 10-20 years...
...But nobody seems to consider the cost of extracting the oil, refining it and transporting it. Or the cost of building new extraction sites when the others run dry or are no longer economically viable. Or the cost of finding new oil reserves. Governments around the world subsidising the industry to the tune of many, many trillions of dollars.
I think some people just assume that the petrol comes straight from the ground underneath their local Esso, ready refined and good to go.
So 2/3rds of people are privileged. That makes a word "an advantage that only one person or group of people has, usually because of their position or because they are rich" when the group of people is so large.
People without a driveway are already privileged with free public storage of their belongings. I'd love to put a shed on the road outside my house but I'm not allowed. I can put one on my drive and park my car on the road, that makes no sense.
The costing more to buy an EV thing isn't likely to be a thing for much longer. EVs are getting cheaper all the time, and the choice and availability of ICE cars is going down. Few people should probably ever buy a brand new car, just as they shouldn't with ICE cars, so when you look at second hand (including ex-demo with low mileage and sometimes even the same year plate) the differences shrink even further.
My last car was £1200, 3 years ago. MOT last time needed two new tyres, new lightbulb and suspension work. Year before passed first time. Before that was wiper, headlight adjustment and play in the steering
I'd expect all that from an electric car (probably more on the tyre side)
I rarely drive the car (3000 miles a year), and rarely more than 100 miles a day (I think I've done longer than that 3 times)
But the entire cost of ownership of the car for 3 years/10k miles
£1200 car
£800 in getting it through MOTs
£800 in insurance
£600 in VED
£1000 in petrol
£4500 over 3 years, of which over 75% is fixed costs.
You can get a good range of 25kWh cars for under £3k, but I'd want one with a 50kWh design size really.
Another 5 years and I think it will be affordable for my sector of the market - i.e. 10k miles, 3 years, tco of under £5k.
However today, even with a £3k car, that's still £200 a year in VED and I suspect there will be a per-mile charge coming.
At 25p/kWh or 8p/mile that's £800 electric, not much cheaper than petrol. You'd have to charge overnight and have a flexible tarriff to save there.
Insurance I believe is higher for electric than ice, and MOT will cost more (mainly more tyre wear).
Indeed. I keep hearing people talk of the cost of developing green energy solutions. Solar is expensive. Wind is expensive. Windfarms need maintenance and blades last only 10-20 years...
...But nobody seems to consider the cost of extracting the oil, refining it and transporting it. Or the cost of building new extraction sites when the others run dry or are no longer economically viable. Or the cost of finding new oil reserves. Governments around the world subsidising the industry to the tune of many, many trillions of dollars.
I think some people just assume that the petrol comes straight from the ground underneath their local Esso, ready refined and good to go.
I sincerely hope you are well enough to still be with us tomorrow, as then you can pop out and buy a 5 year old Tesla 3 Long Range with original WLTP of almost 400 miles (likely to be ~350 now) for under 12k.
I hear this from various EV deniers, including old father BR. How do you set off on a long journey with a full tank?
Thanks, yes I am here today, probably next week as well, and next month, maybe next year, but 60% of those having treatment for my prostate cancer are still alive after five years, and I've been having it for four and a half, so although I'm hopeful I'm not betting on the long term.
Tesla 3? I've looked it up. Not a hatchback. Not, by its appearance, the sort of car that stands higher off the ground (like an MPV), and it looks as if many control functions are done via a screen instead of buttons. So not the sort of car I want.
If I've understood your question about a full tank correctly, it doesn't seem a strong argument in favour of EVs. I don't consider myself an "EV denier". I just don't want to spend money on a car that doesn't do what I want.
Insurance was not a lot more for me, going from a 5 year old car to a nearly 1 year old one. The list price for the first car was half what the EV was.
Doing 5000-6000 miles a year, I don't expect to need to change tyres anytime soon. I am not sure why wear is much higher, as you don't need to floor it all the time and EVs aren't always heavier than an ICE car.
Plus, brakes will barely get used.
Obviously you have the usual suspension items that will need care, but the MOT should be far easier to pass and aren't all MOTs the same price anyway?
If you meant servicing, then that's already way cheaper than an ICE car - although main dealers will still try and charge as much as possible because they rely on income from servicing and don't want to lose it when people 'transition'.
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Well, no, but let's use it for the things we have no alternative for? Electric planes aren't really a thing and there's still a lot of work on energy density to be done before it's ever likely - so how about we keep fossil fuels for things like that and not cars.
And how much oil is needed for a wind turbine compared to power station generators?
One of my work colleagues lives in a terraced house with no off-street parking, and in fact they need permits to park on the street. It isn't guaranteed that they'll be able to park outside their houss either. They have 2 electric cars (both Vauxhalls). Both get charged at home when they can as the council did allow a gully to be installed for the cable to run across the pavement, so yes it is quite possible for people without off street parking to run an electric car.
They have family relations living about 250 miles away, and I am led to believe they visit them reasonably often and I've not heard any complaints about range anxiety - I suspect they share the drive and have a break somewhere along the route to refuel and hence give the car a top-up charge if neccessary.
One of my work colleagues lives in a terraced house with no off-street parking, and in fact they need permits to park on the street. It isn't guaranteed that they'll be able to park outside their houss either. They have 2 electric cars (both Vauxhalls). Both get charged at home when they can as the council did allow a gully to be installed for the cable to run across the pavement, so yes it is quite possible for people without off street parking to run an electric car.
They have family relations living about 250 miles away, and I am led to believe they visit them reasonably often and I've not heard any complaints about range anxiety - I suspect they share the drive and have a break somewhere along the route to refuel and hence give the car a top-up charge if neccessary.
Where my residents parking was I would occasionally not end up parked in our road of 64 (iirc) houses. I say was because parking got to be £240+ pa and no reliable space so I park further away where I was ending up anyway. I do not drive often BUT would want it to be kept full. But a channel under the pavement might be bearable with a long wire covering say the nearest five spaces if we kept the car full as often as possible.
Thanks, yes I am here today, probably next week as well, and next month, maybe next year, but 60% of those having treatment for my prostate cancer are still alive after five years, and I've been having it for four and a half, so although I'm hopeful I'm not betting on the long term.
If I've understood your question about a full tank correctly, it doesn't seem a strong argument in favour of EVs. I don't consider myself an "EV denier". I just don't want to spend money on a car that doesn't do what I want.
Fair enough - no-one should spend money on a car that doesn’t do what they want it to. I think, though, that many people have pre-conceptions about what EVs can do (or more accurately think they can’t do). In my Dad’s case, his main worry is not knowing where he will be able to charge on a long journey. I’ve told him more times than I care to remember that the car would direct him to an avaialble charger long before it was in danger of running ‘dry’. Besides, his longest journey by car in the last few months has been … to the supermarket in the next town to fill up with diesel that’s a few pence cheaper than his nearest fillign station…
In my Dad’s case, his main worry is not knowing where he will be able to charge on a long journey. I’ve told him more times than I care to remember that the car would direct him to an avaialble charger long before it was in danger of running ‘dry’. Besides, his longest journey by car in the last few months has been … to the supermarket in the next town to fill up with diesel that’s a few pence cheaper than his nearest fillign station…
I've found long journeys are fine with an EV. Its pretty likely that you will be using major trunk routes, where there will be plenty of rapid chargers. Its pretty rare that I need to use a rapid charger, so the cost is insignificant.
I had more issues when I was on Skye for a few days. There were fewer chargers in general, with no public chargers within 20 miles of our accommodation. I passed on didn't work for me. There were others which were busy/out of service so I ended up making a 10 mile detour to use a charger the day before I really needed the charge, rather relying on being able to charge up en route.
I had more issues when I was on Skye for a few days. There were fewer chargers in general, with no public chargers within 20 miles of our accommodation. I passed on didn't work for me. There were others which were busy/out of service so I ended up making a 10 mile detour to use a charger the day before I really needed the charge, rather relying on being able to charge up en route.
I hired an electric car in Italy a couple of years ago, the problem wasn't even finding the chargers, it was the half a dozen apps I had to download for and register
The correct solution is to drive upto charger, plug in, tap contactless card, and away you go. Not drive somewhere with a good phone signal, download app, fail to register as you're roaming and you aren't in country, enable vpn to country, register, drive back, plug in car, hope the limited signal allows you to start the charge, then find the charger isn't working.
I hired an electric car in Italy a couple of years ago, the problem wasn't even finding the chargers, it was the half a dozen apps I had to download for and register
The correct solution is to drive upto charger, plug in, tap contactless card, and away you go. Not drive somewhere with a good phone signal, download app, fail to register as you're roaming and you aren't in country, enable vpn to country, register, drive back, plug in car, hope the limited signal allows you to start the charge, then find the charger isn't working.
I believe it's a legal requirement in the UK for chargers to accept contactless, so in the UK your "correct solution" is how it is, though apps may be beneficial at chargers you use often to get discounts etc just as you might choose to get the app or loyalty card of a particular petrol station brand if you use them often but you can just pay normally.
Edit: all new 8kW or better, and all fast chargers regardless of new or old must retrofit, apparently, according to AI.
I believe it's a legal requirement in the UK for chargers to accept contactless, so in the UK your "correct solution" is how it is, though apps may be beneficial at chargers you use often to get discounts etc just as you might choose to get the app or loyalty card of a particular petrol station brand if you use them often but you can just pay normally.
Edit: all new 8kW or better, and all fast chargers regardless of new or old must retrofit, apparently, according to AI.
I've found contactless payments can be hit and miss even if they are theoretically accepted but I've never had an issue using my Electroverse card.
Plug and charge (no card needed) should also become more common, currently limited to only a few Ionity sites in the UK I think (excluding Tesla sites for Tesla only).
I've found contactless payments can be hit and miss even if they are theoretically accepted but I've never had an issue using my Electroverse card.
Plug and charge (no card needed) should also become more common, currently limited to only a few Ionity sites in the UK I think (excluding Tesla sites for Tesla only).
Yes over the next few years ISO 15118 plug and charge will become the norm rather than the rarity. AIUI it works at all Ionity, Allego and Porsche (unsurprisingly very expensive to keep the plebs away!) sites in the UK and Europe although I’ve only used it (regularly) at Ionity sites. There are more CPOs that support it Europe.
There is a difference between the plan and reality.
There are a number of steps to get a charger to work:
1. find it (not always so simple)
2. is it working?
3. is someone else using it?
4. does it accept the way that you want to pay?
5. does it actually start charging?
I have an Electroverse NFC card and apps from Pod Point, Ionity, Charge Point, bp pulse and Blink UK. I know the Pod Point one was for a slow charger at a University car park, where it was the only way to use the charger as it didn't take a contactless card. Other ones have been for hotel chargers.
I installed the bp pulse app to use a fast charger next to a hotel where I was staying. The charger worked for me on one day. The next day, it failed. I tried using a contactless credit card and debit card, and the app with both cards. There were two chargers. Neither worked. When I registered the cards with the app, I had to confirm the request with my bank's app, so I don't think it was that the payment was declined, its just that the charging would not start.
There is a difference between the plan and reality.
There are a number of steps to get a charger to work:
1. find it (not always so simple)
2. is it working?
3. is someone else using it?
4. does it accept the way that you want to pay?
5. does it actually start charging?
I have an Electroverse NFC card and apps from Pod Point, Ionity, Charge Point, bp pulse and Blink UK. I know the Pod Point one was for a slow charger at a University car park, where it was the only way to use the charger as it didn't take a contactless card. Other ones have been for hotel chargers.
I installed the bp pulse app to use a fast charger next to a hotel where I was staying. The charger worked for me on one day. The next day, it failed. I tried using a contactless credit card and debit card, and the app with both cards. There were two chargers. Neither worked. When I registered the cards with the app, I had to confirm the request with my bank's app, so I don't think it was that the payment was declined, its just that the charging would not start.
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