Penalty Received, But Leaving Country Soon - Enforceable?

[americanstuden]

I’m an American student studying abroad in London through mid-June. A month ago I was traveling from Tottenham Gale to Stansted Airport and mistakenly tapped into Stansted Express side due to not seeing surrounding signage.

I asked to defer payment of the £69 when confronted at the airport. I then appealed once, was rejected, and then appealed a second time but didn’t realize it was due in 14 days so it was rejected again.

Thing is I really don’t want to pay the fine as I feel it is unfair and an arbitrarily high amount, and given that I am leaving in 3 months, I was wondering:

Realistically is there anyway they could force me to pay the fee (any means of enforcement)? What could the consequences look like and over what timeline?

Since I’ll be permanently gone from the country in 3mo and since my penalty should be a civil debt - is there much they could do other than bring me to court (which I could potentially draw out to a point where I was gone from the country)?

 

[Fawkes Cat]

I’m an American student studying abroad in London through mid-June. A month ago I was traveling from Tottenham Gale to Stansted Airport and mistakenly tapped into Stansted Express side due to not seeing surrounding signage.

I asked to defer payment of the £69 when confronted at the airport. I then appealed once, was rejected, and then appealed a second time but didn’t realize it was due in 14 days so it was rejected again.

Thing is I really don’t want to pay the fine as I feel it is unfair and an arbitrarily high amount, and given that I am leaving in 3 months, I was wondering:

Realistically is there anyway they could force me to pay the fee (any means of enforcement)? What could the consequences look like and over what timeline?

Since I’ll be permanently gone from the country in 3mo and since my penalty should be a civil debt - is there much they could do other than bring me to court (which I could potentially draw out to a point where I was gone from the country)?

Welcome to the forum.

It's not for us to recommend that people don't meet their commitments, but if you will never, ever be returning to the UK then what you plan should work: my understanding is that civil debts aren't recorded for enforcement by UK border staff.

 

[WesternLancer]

Welcome to the forum.

It's not for us to recommend that people don't meet their commitments, but if you will never, ever be returning to the UK then what you plan should work: my understanding is that civil debts aren't recorded for enforcement by UK border staff.

Is this a civil debt though?

Sounds like it would be an unpaid Penalty Fare which will escalate through the court process and end up with a much larger sum owed than the relatively modest sum that were it paid now would resolve the matter in a simple and relatively cheap way.

Is there then a prospect of being stopped at UK border in respect of this debt either when seeking to leave the UK or if ever trying to come back and I can’t see how you can realistically know for certain that in the rest of your life you might not have to or wish to revisit the UK even if you think now that you won’t do that.

 

[Jan Mayen]

Could the unpaid penalty be withdrawn and replaced by criminal procedings in a magustrates court?

 

[WesternLancer]

I’m an American student studying abroad in London through mid-June. A month ago I was traveling from Tottenham Gale to Stansted Airport and mistakenly tapped into Stansted Express side due to not seeing surrounding signage.

I asked to defer payment of the £69 when confronted at the airport. I then appealed once, was rejected, and then appealed a second time but didn’t realize it was due in 14 days so it was rejected again.

Thing is I really don’t want to pay the fine as I feel it is unfair and an arbitrarily high amount, and given that I am leaving in 3 months, I was wondering:

Realistically is there anyway they could force me to pay the fee (any means of enforcement)? What could the consequences look like and over what timeline?

Since I’ll be permanently gone from the country in 3mo and since my penalty should be a civil debt - is there much they could do other than bring me to court (which I could potentially draw out to a point where I was gone from the country)?

Penalty fare appeals based on it being unfair are not generally upheld. Appeals need to show that the penalty fare was incorrect thing for them to issue.

Penalty Fare is the cheapest and least serious sanction that can be used. I would suggest paying it to avoid potential hassle in future, unless there are still grounds for a further appeal that people here could help you make with a greater chance of success.

 

[Fawkes Cat]

Is this a civil debt though?

Sounds like it would be an unpaid Penalty Fare which will escalate through the court process

Yes, it's a civil debt.

I agree that we seem to be talking about a penalty fare here. There's nothing criminal about a penalty fare, so if that's what remains then it will be a civil debt.

In theory, in some circumstances a penalty fare can be withdrawn and a prosecution substituted. But realistically, I don't think we have ever heard of this happening: it's certainly not something we hear of with any frequency so I think it is safe to say the chance of it happening is negligible.

So the (probable) penalty fare will (probably) remain a civil debt.

But while this probably starts falling into prejudice (stereotyping a group on the basis of the behaviour of a few), I have to say that I feel uncomfortable in advising the OP that they may get away with it: they have told us that they are American, and this makes me feel that Americans in general will be the sort of people who think that doing the right thing is for other people. I would much rather think that Americans were honourable people who accepted the consequences of their actions and paid up what they owe.

 

[RPI]

Yes, it's a civil debt.

I agree that we seem to be talking about a penalty fare here. There's nothing criminal about a penalty fare, so if that's what remains then it will be a civil debt.

In theory, in some circumstances a penalty fare can be withdrawn and a prosecution substituted. But realistically, I don't think we have ever heard of this happening: it's certainly not something we hear of with any frequency so I think it is safe to say the chance of it happening is negligible.

So the (probable) penalty fare will (probably) remain a civil debt.

But while this probably starts falling into prejudice (stereotyping a group on the basis of the behaviour of a few), I have to say that I feel uncomfortable in advising the OP that they may get away with it: they have told us that they are American, and this makes me feel that Americans in general will be the sort of people who think that doing the right thing is for other people. I would much rather think that Americans were honourable people who accepted the consequences of their actions and paid up what they owe.

Unpaid penalty fares are routinely withdrawn when not paid and chased as a Byelaw or RRA prosecution, I know there was some debate about whether this can be done if the notice was appealed at any point, but I believe that was put to bed?

 

[Fawkes Cat]

In theory, in some circumstances a penalty fare can be withdrawn and a prosecution substituted. But realistically, I don't think we have ever heard of this happening: it's certainly not something we hear of with any frequency so I think it is safe to say the chance of it happening is negligible.

Unpaid penalty fares are routinely withdrawn when not paid and chased as a Byelaw or RRA prosecution, I know there was some debate about whether this can be done if the notice was appealed at any point, but I believe that was put to bed?

You're more likely to know than I am, so I will defer to your better knowledge. But I'm surprised that we don't see many people coming to us in that circumstance.

In terms of what this means for the OP, then the advice above of what will happen if there's an outstanding criminal fine does apply. OP may be of the view now that they'll never return to the UK, but plans change. Even if they never intend to come back here, UK airports can be interchange points for travelling elsewhere, or used on diversion in bad weather. Broadly, I would suggest that risking arrest for years to come really isn't a particularly good idea when the alternative is to pay a couple of hundred pounds now.

(Edited to reorder final sentence to make easier to understand and less of a stream of consciousness on my part)

 

[RPI]

You're more likely to know than I am, so I will defer to your better knowledge. But I'm surprised that we don't see many people coming to us in that circumstance.

In terms of what this means for the OP, then the advice above of what will happen o

The only reason I know this, is that when UFN's and PFN's don't get paid, we get sent a statement from Prosecutions to sign and send back for each notice, and I probably have one or two of these a month.

 

[Snow1964]

There is a future risk, because of electronic authorisation to travel applications. If any are loosely worded and ask for any convictions (without specifying country, or seriousness, or how long ago) then taking a risk if say no, because some supercomputer might match it up and flag it.

There is a fair chance a question does not distinguish between a bylaw conviction, criminal conviction etc, but simply asks if have been convicted.

It is too early to say, but a conviction might still be deemed expired in UK, but might have longer validity period on an application.

 

[gray1404]

You have a third and final appeal should you wish to use it. It might be worth you showing us a copy of the notice you received so we can look for any errors.

 

[Fawkes Cat]

a civil conviction

I'm not convinced that there's such a thing in English law as a 'civil conviction'.

 

[AlterEgo]

There is a future risk, because of electronic authorisation to travel applications. If any are loosely worded and ask for any convictions (without specifying country, or seriousness, or how long ago) then taking a risk if say no, because some supercomputer might match it up and flag it.

There is a fair chance a question does not distinguish between a bylaw conviction, a civil conviction, criminal conviction etc, but simply asks if have been convicted.

It is too early to say, but a conviction might still be deemed expired in UK, but might have longer validity period on an application.

There is no such thing as a civil conviction. A conviction is by definition a criminal matter. You are thinking of CCJs, which simply deem if someone owes another party money under the law.

 

[Segedunum]

The only reason I know this, is that when UFN's and PFN's don't get paid, we get sent a statement from Prosecutions to sign and send back for each notice, and I probably have one or two of these a month.

Can also concur that in normal circumstances a significant number of unpaid PFNs I used to issue would then escalate into potential prosecution.

I'd also get quite a few of those forms to sign!

 

[SuspectUsual]

I asked to defer payment of the £69 when confronted at the airport. I then appealed once, was rejected, and then appealed a second time but didn’t realize it was due in 14 days so it was rejected again

You have a third and final appeal should you wish to use it. It might be worth you showing us a copy of the notice you received so we can look for any errors.

I suspect the OP is out of time for a final appeal

 

[americanstuden]

Thanks for all the comments everyone - this is very helpful!

You have a third and final appeal should you wish to use it. It might be worth you showing us a copy of the notice you received so we can look for any errors.

Oh, really? I didn’t realize I had one left since I submitted the 2nd one after the 14 day limit. My letter received says I must pay within 14 days of receiving that rejected appeals letter.

I felt as though my appeal was strong since I have a somewhat uncommon visual impairment that gives me tunnel vision (I would probably qualify for the disabled card if I tried for it, but don’t have it at the moment). I haven’t been back to the station since but from what I’ve seen online a lot of the signage is on the walls which makes it hard to see.

Will draft up a third appeal then if this is the case, and will hope that by making my disability clear in the letter that it will make drastic action like prosecution less likely.

 

[blimmo]

Unpaid penalty fares are routinely withdrawn when not paid and chased as a Byelaw or RRA prosecution, I know there was some debate about whether this can be done if the notice was appealed at any point, but I believe that was put to bed?

The law is clear that after a PF has been appealed a prosecution is barred. Recently a chief magistrate decided to interpret this as not including failed appeals but I believe that ruling is technically non-binding.

Section 11 of the penalty fare regulations:

(3) Where a person falling within paragraph (1)(a) has appealed against the penalty fare under regulation 16, proceedings for any of the offences specified in paragraph (4) may only be brought against that person for the same failure to produce a platform ticket or a valid travel ticket if the operator, on whose behalf the penalty fare was charged, notifies the relevant Appeal Panel that the penalty fare is cancelled before—

(a)the relevant Appeal Panel has decided the outcome of the appeal under regulation 16; or

(b)the time period mentioned in paragraph 6 of Schedule 2 expires,

whichever is sooner.

Regulation 16 are first stage appeals. Paragraph 4 specifies RoRA offences, bylaw offenses, and even fraud. The time period mentioned is 21 days from submission of the appeal.

As far as I can tell there is no way a prosecution could be lawfully brought against OP.

Oh, really? I didn’t realize I had one left since I submitted the 2nd one after the 14 day limit. My letter received says I must pay within 14 days of receiving that rejected appeals letter.

I believe you have 14 days from your appeal being rejected to submit the next stage appeal (regulation 17(1)(a)). If you have missed this I think you have lost the right to further appeal stages.

I felt as though my appeal was strong since I have a somewhat uncommon visual impairment that gives me tunnel vision (I would probably qualify for the disabled card if I tried for it, but don’t have it at the moment). I haven’t been back to the station since but from what I’ve seen online a lot of the signage is on the walls which makes it hard to see.

Compelling reasons appeals like this are only considered at the third stage appeal (this may be contrary to the regulations but they aren't great at following them).

OP, since you can no longer appeal I would advise paying the PF. Is it really worth the £60 or so to have a possibly significant unpaid debt in the UK forever?

 

[dosxuk]

It is too early to say, but a conviction might still be deemed expired in UK, but might have longer validity period on an application.

Convictions are only deemed expired when the matter is concluded - so while this sort of offence may have a one year time limit on it, it would still be active if any fine element has not also been settled.

 

[AlterEgo]

Convictions are only deemed expired when the matter is concluded - so while this sort of offence may have a one year time limit on it, it would still be active if any fine element has not also been settled.

That's not correct in the case of fines. The conviction is spent one year from date of conviction whether it is paid or not but in any case that is totally irrelevant to the thread. The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act has no bearing on someone's admissibility to the country.

 

[WesternLancer]

Broadly, I would suggest that risking arrest for years to come really isn't a particularly good idea when the alternative is to pay a couple of hundred pounds now.

Isn't it just £69 that is currently owed?
Thanks for your earlier clarification on my post by the way.

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Will draft up a third appeal then if this is the case, and will hope that by making my disability clear in the letter that it will make drastic action like prosecution less likely.

I wouldn't spend your time on that until experts here can check for you if you can actually still submit a 3rd stage appeal now.

For that to happen it would be best for you to share all the paperwork so far
ie
- the original Penalty Fare notice you were given (assuming it is a Penalty Fare)
- yoru appeal wording submitted
- their replies to that appeal

with your personal details an ref number blanked out to protect your privacy.

 

[30907]

I felt as though my appeal was strong since I have a somewhat uncommon visual impairment that gives me tunnel vision (I would probably qualify for the disabled card if I tried for it, but don’t have it at the moment). I haven’t been back to the station since but from what I’ve seen online a lot of the signage is on the walls which makes it hard to see.

The legally required signage may be on the walls, but there are (were?) prominent red signs on the barriers and on the ground which are pretty difficult to miss.

 

[gray1404]

I would certainly try to appeal at the third and final stage and state that appeal must be accepted due to the compelling reasons argument. Another word it has taken you longer to sort your final appeal due to your disability.

I would also complain to London Travel Watch about the fact that the previous appeal did not take account of your disability.

 

[furlong]

Either take this up with the operator's customer services (who must be sick of dealing with Stansted issues by now!), or just go directly to Transport Focus in a case like this.

You could still attempt to persuade the appeals body to look at your appeal another time if you can give them a justifiable reason for missing their deadline.

What evidence of your visual impairment did you provide in your original appeal?