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I have been caught using my boyfriend's student oyster card. I have told the investigator who stopped me at the tube exit that I have used it only for a short amount of time, howevr I have used it for longer. Will I get prosecuted or can I ask for a settlement and pay back?
 
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In most cases like you describe, the person concerned is prosecuted only for the ONE journey when they were caught and agrees a settlement in respect of all the previous journeys instead of being prosecuted for them all too.
 

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I have been caught using my boyfriend's student oyster card. I have told the investigator who stopped me at the tube exit that I have used it only for a short amount of time, howevr I have used it for longer. Will I get prosecuted or can I ask for a settlement and pay back?
TfL don’t generally do settlements if it’s TfL that stopped you.

They prosecute basically every time unless mitigating circumstances of the sort they set out in their published policy on this sort of fare evasion.

We only tend to see people not being prosecuted where they use a solicitor specialising in rail fare evasion work to advance such mitigation. Solicitors fees for that will run into several hundred pounds. Possibly the best part of £1k though you could obtain quotes.

Or you could let the prosecution process takes its course and accept the consequences. Court fine and criminal record for what I suspect is a generally fairly low level offence. But you would have to declare that when asked. Eg job applications, insurance applications type things aiui.

If you want to understand more about what’s going to happen as this now plays out feel free to ask any questions you have.
 

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I have been caught using my boyfriend's student oyster card. I have told the investigator who stopped me at the tube exit that I have used it only for a short amount of time, howevr I have used it for longer. Will I get prosecuted or can I ask for a settlement and pay back?
Just to be absolutely sure, what station were you caught at? If you were given any documentation, does it say what company issued it?
 

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Before you start incriminating yourself by admitting to other occasions, wait and see what they say in their letter.
They are not going to find it easy to determine whether you or your BF was the card user each time. Don't at this stage give them information they don't need
 

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and agrees a settlement in respect of all the previous journeys instead of being prosecuted for them all too.
Nobody "agrees a settlement" with TfL. They admit to other offences in court and are ordered to pay compensation for them.
 

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I have been caught using my boyfriend's student oyster card. I have told the investigator who stopped me at the tube exit that I have used it only for a short amount of time, howevr I have used it for longer. Will I get prosecuted or can I ask for a settlement and pay back?
Were you caught by TfL or another company?
 

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Just to be absolutely sure, what station were you caught at? If you were given any documentation, does it say what company issued it?
It was at Bond Street, they’ve taken the card off me and said will receive a letter

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Were you caught by TfL or another company?
By TFL

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Before you start incriminating yourself by admitting to other occasions, wait and see what they say in their letter.
They are not going to find it easy to determine whether you or your BF was the card user each time. Don't at this stage give them information they don't need
Wouldn’t thy prefer to settle and get the money rather than going to court?

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Nobody "agrees a settlement" with TfL. They admit to other offences in court and are ordered to pay compensation for them.
Hi,

So asking for a settlement is basically nearly impossible?
 

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Other rail companies might well but TfL changed how they deal with these things. It's either a warning or court now.
 

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So asking for a settlement is basically nearly impossible?
TfL do not, ever, agree settlements. They either prosecute or issue a warning. If the usage is obviously regular they will prosecute for a single offence and requisition you to attend court where they submit a list of other suspected offences which you ask (for those you agree with) to be taken into consideration. The court will then order you to pay compensation for those offences.
 

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I did read it. Under the policy, repeat offenders or aggressive behaviour are much stronger triggers for prosecution than a single detection.it also says that the policy treats as much more serious than a single misuse incident is repeat offending or prior enforcement history.

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TfL do not, ever, agree settlements. They either prosecute or issue a warning. If the usage is obviously regular they will prosecute for a single offence and requisition you to attend court where they submit a list of other suspected offences which you ask (for those you agree with) to be taken into consideration. The court will then order you to pay compensation for those offences.
Thanks - I’m very panicked as I don’t want to go to court. As you’ve been here longer, what do you think the most likely outcome is taking into consideration other cases?
 

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As you’ve been here longer, what do you think the most likely outcome is taking into consideration other cases?
That you will be prosecuted for a byelaw offence, and convicted. You will be fined and ordered to pay a victim surcharge and compensation.
 

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Thanks - I’m very panicked as I don’t want to go to court. As you’ve been here longer, what do you think the most likely outcome is taking into consideration other cases?
That you will be taken to court for the offences. These are the most serious offences TfL deal with and being prosecuted is the default outcome. It is serial, deliberate fare evasion. They prosecute about 10-20,000 people every year.
 

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I did read it. Under the policy, repeat offenders or aggressive behaviour are much stronger triggers for prosecution than a single detection.it also says that the policy treats as much more serious than a single misuse incident is repeat offending or prior enforcement history.

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Thanks - I’m very panicked as I don’t want to go to court. As you’ve been here longer, what do you think the most likely outcome is taking into consideration other cases?
This thread might be worth you reading as the person concerned updated it throughout including after the court action at the end

It may help you get an idea of what to expect

 

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TfL do not, ever, agree settlements. They either prosecute or issue a warning. If the usage is obviously regular they will prosecute for a single offence and requisition you to attend court where they submit a list of other suspected offences which you ask (for those you agree with) to be taken into consideration. The court will then order you to pay compensation for those offences.
Surely they must have to pre-notify you of that list? You seem to imply they can present it at court during the trial with no notice, which seems rather unjust
 

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Surely they must have to pre-notify you of that list? You seem to imply they can present it at court during the trial with no notice, which seems rather unjust
Yes, you get notice of it with the court papers. It doesn't alter how the process works, which I was trying to summarise.
 

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Surely they must have to pre-notify you of that list? You seem to imply they can present it at court during the trial with no notice, which seems rather unjust
This quite lengthy TfL thread has copies of court papers uploaded on one of the later pages - might give you an idea of how this is dealt with.

 

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I did read it. Under the policy, repeat offenders or aggressive behaviour are much stronger triggers for prosecution than a single detection.it also says that the policy treats as much more serious than a single misuse incident is repeat offending or prior enforcement history.

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Thanks - I’m very panicked as I don’t want to go to court. As you’ve been here longer, what do you think the most likely outcome is taking into consideration other cases?
If you've seen Section 8.1, point (f) on the linked to document, you'll see that mis-use of non-transferrable passes is a very serious offence and TfL take a very dim view of this.

This forum sees a lot of these cases, and the outcome is always the same. TfL prosecute these cases in the Magistrates Court, and if they detect frequent mis-use, they will issue a court summons (so that compensation for the other times they didn't stop you can be repaid). Solicitors specializing in fare evasion may have a small chance of avoiding court, however the cost for the Solicitors services will have to be paid even if the solicitor is unsuccessful.

So, what happens next?
If you don't reply to the verification letter at all, TfL will prosecute.
If you reply but there is no mitigating factors against prosecution (sections 8.2 and 8.3) you will almost certainly be prosecuted.
If you have mitigation and give evidence then TfL may consider it - however cannot say for certain how it will affect proceedings.
If you use a solicitor - there is a small chance you will get a warning and a very big chance you'll still be prosecuted.

If you are prosecuted, it will likely be in person at Lavender Hill Magistrates Court, where other offences can be taken into consideration. I won't go into too much detail here because other threads show this process.

Sorry it's not more positive news, but this is how TfL deal with fare evasion (especially pass misuse).
 

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So, what happens next?
If you don't reply to the verification letter at all, TfL will prosecute.
If you reply but there is no mitigating factors against prosecution (sections 8.2 and 8.3) you will almost certainly be prosecuted.
If you have mitigation and give evidence then TfL may consider it - however cannot say for certain how it will affect proceedings.
If you use a solicitor - there is a small chance you will get a warning and a very big chance you'll still be prosecuted.
I've not expertise on this but I would tend to think that given the choice to do so or not do so - it's better to reply to TfL's verification letter to offer some mitigation / remorse than not to do that - even if it does not persuade TfL against prosecuting. It may be that then it's at least something you can return to in your mitigation statement to the court in due course which just might possibly reduce the punishment? - which in this case would presumably might mean a lower court fine issued by the magistrates court.

Or is this unrealistic to suggest?

Either way I can't see that would actually make anything worse.
 

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This quite lengthy TfL thread has copies of court papers uploaded on one of the later pages - might give you an idea of how this is dealt with.

Thank you yes I’ve read it. It’s terrifying… I can’t see the update where she posts how was the experience in the court? I coupe swear I’ve read briefly an update but can’t locate it.
 

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TfL do not, ever, agree settlements. They either prosecute or issue a warning. If the usage is obviously regular they will prosecute for a single offence and requisition you to attend court where they submit a list of other suspected offences which you ask (for those you agree with) to be taken into consideration. The court will then order you to pay compensation for those offences.
Thanks - I’ll post the letter once I receive it. Will I have a criminal record that will stay with me “forever”?
If you've seen Section 8.1, point (f) on the linked to document, you'll see that mis-use of non-transferrable passes is a very serious offence and TfL take a very dim view of this.

This forum sees a lot of these cases, and the outcome is always the same. TfL prosecute these cases in the Magistrates Court, and if they detect frequent mis-use, they will issue a court summons (so that compensation for the other times they didn't stop you can be repaid). Solicitors specializing in fare evasion may have a small chance of avoiding court, however the cost for the Solicitors services will have to be paid even if the solicitor is unsuccessful.

So, what happens next?
If you don't reply to the verification letter at all, TfL will prosecute.
If you reply but there is no mitigating factors against prosecution (sections 8.2 and 8.3) you will almost certainly be prosecuted.
If you have mitigation and give evidence then TfL may consider it - however cannot say for certain how it will affect proceedings.
If you use a solicitor - there is a small chance you will get a warning and a very big chance you'll still be prosecuted.

If you are prosecuted, it will likely be in person at Lavender Hill Magistrates Court, where other offences can be taken into consideration. I won't go into too much detail here because other threads show this process.

Sorry it's not more positive news, but this is how TfL deal with fare evasion (especially pass misuse).
thanks - can you pls share a thread where I can get an idea how does it work in court ? I guess if it’s likely to get prosecuted getting a solicitor won’t really change much. Just want to get an idea how to behave & what to say on the day
 
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Thank you yes I’ve read it. It’s terrifying… I can’t see the update where she posts how was the experience in the court? I coupe swear I’ve read briefly an update but can’t locate it.
I suspect it's not actually been to court yet in that case - but in that thread I've linked to another relatively recent thread where the OP concerned took the trouble to come back and detail her experience in court - have a look at that one. Follow the links in the thread you mention that I posted in that thread.

This should not terrify you - although I know things won't be easy now you have realised what your actions would lead to. This is a serious matter, and is persistent, deliberate 'theft' from TfL (which is how they will see it and how many people who pay their fares correctly despite also not having much money might see it) but on the spectrum of court activity this is a relatively minor offence. Thousands of people in London are prosecuted for this sort of fare evasion every year.
 

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Will I have a criminal record that will stay with me “forever”?
No, you will have a conviction that will be 'spent' after 12 months for most purposes. It only lasts longer in careers that are subject to higher levels of vetting.
 

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I have received the letter today just 3 days after the incident and I have already replied to them. I hope they will accept the settlement. Unsure if I shall post it here ( my reply )
 

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I have received the letter today just 3 days after the incident and I have already replied to them. I hope they will accept the settlement. Unsure if I shall post it here ( my reply )
It would have been better for you to post it here before you replied, surely?
 

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I wanted to reply ASAP - I'm terrified of this process, I didn't think even for a second this could lead to a legal matter. This was a serios wake up call for me. Shall I share here my response?
 

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I wanted to reply ASAP - I'm terrified of this process, I didn't think even for a second this could lead to a legal matter. This was a serios wake up call for me. Shall I share here my response?
Correct me if I am wrong, however the verification letter does say words along the lines of:

"You do not have to reply to this letter but it may harm your defense if you do not mention in writing something which you may later rely on in court. Anything you do provide in writing may be given as evidence"

It wouldn't hurt matters if you shared your response. Hopefully you didn't wind up the investigators - there was one thread I saw before where the person said they evaded their fare for fun - which is never a good thing to say. It was a TfL case, so even if they hadn't said that, the case would have still progressed.

Nevertheless, unless there was any mitigation against court proceedings, I dare say that court is where this is going to end up.

Someone else who went to court (Lavender Hill - it was a TfL case) posted their experience in this post, you may find it useful:
Not many people tend to update cases about how the court hearing/process unfolds, therefore such advice is always useful.
 

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I wanted to reply ASAP - I'm terrified of this process, I didn't think even for a second this could lead to a legal matter. This was a serios wake up call for me. Shall I share here my response?
A reply incriminating yourself (possibly) was not the right thing to do , a couple of days to get advice on here as to how to reply based on the incoming letter would have been the sensible thing to do.

If you post both the letter from TFL (redact your details from the letter ) along with your response too date will help you to make the best of the situation given where you are now
 
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