SWR 455 twilight diagrams/workings

[Goldfish62]

5717+727 allocated to 5S45/2S45/2S54

That won't be stopping at Virginia Water on 2S54.

 

[CallmeDave]

5717+727 allocated to 5S45/2S45/2S54

Strangely LRR is now also showing 2300 Waterloo to Chessington and 2342 return to Wimbledon. That's a long layover off 2S54. Maybe more services will be allocated later.
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1357 5S45 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs - London Waterloo
1522 2S45 London Waterloo - Weybridge
1703 2S54 Weybridge - London Waterloo
2300 2M71 London Waterloo - Chessington South
2342 2M96 Chessington South - Wimbledon

 

[w11_supremecy]

5717+727 allocated to 5S45/2S45/2S54

Internally they are also showing as allocated to run 2M71 23:00 Waterloo - Chessington South, 2M96 23:42 Chessington South to Wimbledon, and then 5Y64 into Wimbledon Depot. This may change of course.

Edit: didn't see your post CallmeDave, you beat me to it haha.

 

[Siemens Staines]

A second pair of 455s are out this evening vice 458530

5712 + 5732
2V57 1907 London Waterloo to Twickenham
2S73 2222 London Waterloo to Weybridge

 

[tcw217]

A second pair of 455s are out this evening vice 458530

5712 + 5732
2V57 1907 London Waterloo to Twickenham
2S73 2222 London Waterloo to Weybridge

I thought for a sec that they don’t have enough drivers who sign 455 anymore when they decided to cancel 5S47/2S47 without putting a replacement unit…

 

[nctd2306]

I thought for a sec that they don’t have enough drivers who sign 455 anymore when they decided to cancel 5S47/2S47 without putting a replacement unit…

2S47 was cancelled "due to a train fault". It's my understanding that 8530 came out of the depot ECS, then failed at Waterloo before the passenger working. It does seem odd that all the recent 455 workings have been on 2S work though where they can't call at Virginia Water platform 3.

 

[CallmeDave]

5712 5732

1745 2R51 London Waterloo - London Waterloo
1922 2S61 London Waterloo - Weybridge
2103 2S70 Weybridge - London Waterloo
2252 2S75 London Waterloo - Weybridge

 

[EYFanatic]

2S47 was cancelled "due to a train fault". It's my understanding that 8530 came out of the depot ECS, then failed at Waterloo before the passenger working. It does seem odd that all the recent 455 workings have been on 2S work though where they can't call at Virginia Water platform 3.

Why can they not call at Virginia Water P3?

Not being fully aware of trains in the south, apart from the fact they run, I am rather curious

 

[swt_passenger]

Why can they not call at Virginia Water P3?

Not being fully aware of trains in the south, apart from the fact they run, I am rather curious

The platform is not quite long enough for a 160m pair, and the 455s do not have any form of SDO. In the plan for 10 car 455/456 combinations, a large number of platforms on the lines via Wimbledon were extended, rather than fitting SDO to the elderly fleet, but this particular platform was not usually operated by 455s.

 

[CallmeDave]

5712 5732

1707 2V49 London Waterloo - London Waterloo
1843 2H97 London Waterloo - Shepperton
1936 2H64 Shepperton - London Waterloo
2042 2H63 London Waterloo - Shepperton
2141 2H72 Shepperton - London Waterloo
2300 2M71 London Waterloo - Chessington South
2342 2M96 Chessington South - Wimbledon

 

[Bikeman78]

The platform is not quite long enough for a 160m pair, and the 455s do not have any form of SDO. In the plan for 10 car 455/456 combinations, a large number of platforms on the lines via Wimbledon were extended, rather than fitting SDO to the elderly fleet, but this particular platform was not usually operated by 455s.

I think they did run to Weybridge via Chertsey at one point. The signal was moved as part of a resignalling project if I recall correctly.

 

[TEW]

I think they did run to Weybridge via Chertsey at one point. The signal was moved as part of a resignalling project if I recall correctly.

That's Datchet. Prior to that signal being moved an 8-455 was able to stop there and run London to Windsor, but they no longer can.
Weybridge has always been an issue, with Virginia Water, and previously Chertsey being too short too.

 

[Bikeman78]

That's Datchet. Prior to that signal being moved an 8-455 was able to stop there and run London to Windsor, but they no longer can.
Weybridge has always been an issue, with Virginia Water, and previously Chertsey being too short too.

Memory clearly failing me then. They must have been four cars.

 

[TEW]

Memory clearly failing me then. They must have been four cars.

4-car 455s were very common on weekends paticularly until the 458/5s appeared.

 

[SWT_USER]

Memory clearly failing me then. They must have been four cars.

Yes - penny pinching SWT ran 4 coach 455's on everything all day at weekends on Weybridge/ Hounslow loop services.

 

[Big Jumby 74]

Yes - penny pinching SWT ran 4 coach 455's on everything all day at weekends on Weybridge/ Hounslow loop services.

Should be remembered that the expense involved in the 458 conversion to 5 car, and associated other work within that period, cost SWT dearly, and with unit mileage being probably second highest outlay behind staff costs, the wider longer term picture has to be considered.

 

[Siemens Staines]

According to the data feed to RTT, 5712 + 5732 are currently allocated vice 2*458/4 this afternoon

2S45 1522 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S54 1703 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V55 1837 London Waterloo to Twickenham

 

[nctd2306]

According to the data feed to RTT, 5712 + 5732 are currently allocated vice 2*458/4 this afternoon

2S45 1522 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S54 1703 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V55 1837 London Waterloo to Twickenham

Now allocated to:
2V43 1537 Ex Waterloo (Hounslow rounder)
2R49 Ex 1715 Waterloo (Hounslow rounder in the opposite direction)
2S59 1852 Waterloo to Weybridge (via Hounslow)
2S68 2033 Weybridge to Waterloo (via Hounslow)
2S73 2222 Waterloo to Weybridge (via Hounslow)
5Y66 Weybridge to Wimbledon depot (via Surbiton and Wimbledon station)

 

[EYFanatic]

You know, at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if BLS do a 455 Farewell Mk 2

Nice to see them still working

 

[Travellin’man]

Now allocated to:
2V43 1537 Ex Waterloo (Hounslow rounder)
2R49 Ex 1715 Waterloo (Hounslow rounder in the opposite direction)
2S59 1852 Waterloo to Weybridge (via Hounslow)
2S68 2033 Weybridge to Waterloo (via Hounslow)
2S73 2222 Waterloo to Weybridge (via Hounslow)
5Y66 Weybridge to Wimbledon depot (via Surbiton and Wimbledon station)

At Waterloo now. Showing on screens as 1522 Weybridge

 

[Class15]

Just seen them leave Waterloo on the 15:22.

 

[Nimbus020]

Just seen them leave Waterloo on the 15:22.

There seem to be a few 458/4s "laid up" at the back of W'don depot? (sidings near the District Line route) - presume this is one of the reasons the 455s are still needed?

 

[Siemens Staines]

Now allocated to:
2V43 1537 Ex Waterloo (Hounslow rounder)
2R49 Ex 1715 Waterloo (Hounslow rounder in the opposite direction)
2S59 1852 Waterloo to Weybridge (via Hounslow)
2S68 2033 Weybridge to Waterloo (via Hounslow)
2S73 2222 Waterloo to Weybridge (via Hounslow)
5Y66 Weybridge to Wimbledon depot (via Surbiton and Wimbledon station)

458413 + 458423 now allocated to 2V55 1837 London Waterloo to Twickenham off 2R49 1715 London Waterloo to London Waterloo which is a GBTT minus 4.

 

[CallmeDave]

There seem to be a few 458/4s "laid up" at the back of W'don depot? (sidings near the District Line route) - presume this is one of the reasons the 455s are still needed?

Somethings afoot. There was a post on a 455 FB saying there is a further week's contract extension with Porterbrook to the end of this week.

 

[nctd2306]

458413 + 458423 now allocated to 2V55 1837 London Waterloo to Twickenham off 2R49 1715 London Waterloo to London Waterloo which is a GBTT minus 4.

Not sure what happened here as the allocations must have been different for about 5 minutes before switching back!

Somethings afoot. There was a post on a 455 FB saying there is a further week's contract extension with Porterbrook to the end of this week.

With enough 701s now available to cover all their own diagrams, this must be a sign that Wimbledon are finally beginning to give up on the 458s. Two [458] diagrams covered by 701s earlier and now seemingly a third by the 455s.

A shame as the refurbishment they did on them was really nice...

 

[Siemens Staines]

With enough 701s now available to cover all their own diagrams, this must be a sign that Wimbledon are finally beginning to give up on the 458s. Two [458] diagrams covered by 701s earlier and now seemingly a third by the 455s.

There is another 2*458/4 diagram being covered by the newly spare second 458/5 this evening with 458533 allocated to

2V51 1737 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2C61 1920 London Waterloo to Reading
2C72 2109 Reading to London Waterloo
2S75 2252 London Waterloo to Weybridge

458533 had been on the booked 458/5 diagram this morning, but that is 458530 this evening. 458533 has effectively replaced 701048. As you noted the allocations are a bit fluid so I may be wrong, but I think that 20 458/4 were in service this evening (for 24 diagrams), but that is down to 18 in service this evening. At these sort of levels, you would think that the 455s may have some work for a little while yet?

 

[nctd2306]

There is another 2*458/4 diagram being covered by the newly spare second 458/5 this evening with 458533 allocated to

2V51 1737 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2C61 1920 London Waterloo to Reading
2C72 2109 Reading to London Waterloo
2S75 2252 London Waterloo to Weybridge

458533 had been on the booked 458/5 diagram this morning, but that is 458530 this evening. 458533 has effectively replaced 701048. As you noted the allocations are a bit fluid so I may be wrong, but I think that 20 458/4 were in service this evening (for 24 diagrams), but that is down to 18 in service this evening. At these sort of levels, you would think that the 455s may have some work for a little while yet?

You must have seen that at the same time as me because I'd just gone to post this is the 455 and 458/5 withdrawals thread

 

[EYFanatic]

Are the 455s still able to run down as far as Guildford? I'm sure they did on the tour (and I was on it!) but don't know if they can now

 

[Big Jumby 74]

Are the 455s still able to run down as far as Guildford? I'm sure they did on the tour (and I was on it!) but don't know if they can now

Physically they can run anywhere they always use to. The critical factor this late in the day is crew traction knowledge, combined with a plan that ensures the units are not left high and dry at (particularly Waterloo) without a crew to move them to depot.

 

[DelW]

Are the 455s still able to run down as far as Guildford? I'm sure they did on the tour (and I was on it!) but don't know if they can now

Both sets ran as far as Haslemere on the BLS runs.