To improve the chances of the application being approved, wouldn't they try to keep the tilt enabled on the Class 221s? If a Wrexham service is followed by a Class 390 departing only three minutes later, the 390 would surely catch up by the time they reach Rugby if the 221 has its tilt isolated. Furthermore, didn't the 221s have different EPS (Enhanced Permissible Speed) limits compared to the 390s?
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cj_1985
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Those 221s still have tilt. It's just the 221s allocated to Cross Country that have had the Tilt disabled
Have I missed something, what's this about?
See post #624.
Thanks so is this a one gimic, or are they really going to run loco hauled MK3s
As their last application was refused so they have no access rights. Very much a gimmick!
I thought Slam door MK3's were no longer allowed in regular passenger service due to PRM legislation ?
Even if they had access rights I doubt they would be able to use the afformentioned slam door set , Ex Chiltern sets maybe though.
Yes of course I forgot about the slam door issue, I'll relax again then thanks for the replies
Wyrleybart
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Seems to me that in the "Jim" style "this is what you could have won" !!!
Spaceship323
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Or maybe by showing local Wrexham business leaders by a 5 hour trip to London, that the whole scheme is an unworkable white elephant
Clarence Yard
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It’s a PR event, using a charter set to take people to London where a petition was rumoured to be handed into No 10. All done by using GBRF.
They are not going to use LHCS for their own services - it’s 221 units or nothing.
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They are not going to use LHCS for their own services - it’s 221 units or nothing.
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FrontSideBus
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I still think they are wasting their time trying to get an Open Access railway going with this government... I bet they despise the current ones like Lumo and Grand Central!
You'd think the Government would be itching to get a route like this going under GBR, then they could make loads of PR noises about how great they are by bringing in new routes and services for loads of people ect.
You'd think the Government would be itching to get a route like this going under GBR, then they could make loads of PR noises about how great they are by bringing in new routes and services for loads of people ect.
The Planner
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They also understand the trade offs of doing it though. If you start making the WCML reliability worse than it already is, it has impacts.
The Government are quite clear about the economics of this route.
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Funnily enough, I think, that given a blank slate, this Governement would far prefer routes like WSM's that link new destinations to duplicate services like Lumo's. We are where we are though.
Zontar
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Chippychips
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I think its just invitation only. Also makes a disclaimer to note that the speed is significantly slower than what they propose.
Seems like money isn't an issue for the Alstom folk, so do they want this 4 trains per day (potentually 3) WSMR thing to make money? Or just for their portfolio?
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Is there a problem at Nuneaton ?
Did they get the BLS to handle bookings? That ticket format is basically identical to what you get off the BLS!
Maybe they asked to include an example of WCML regulation on the journey?
Looks to be running Ok now, held 15 mins at Nuneaton maybe some MPs or etc. were late turning up.Maybe they asked to include an example of WCML regulation on the journey?
Zontar
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You mean it's not congested enough already!Maybe they asked to include an example of WCML regulation on the journey?
... but of course if this does go live the schedules they actually get given may not be the ones requested.
DarloRich
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zwk500
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When they can demonstrate there's capacity for their services without further destroying the WCML's timekeeping. This may take some doing.LIVE FROM EUSTON - when do these start running? I could happily do use that for my commute
You may also be less keen for a Voyager, which is (I think) what they plan to actually use
I dunno, I think they're @DarloRich's favourite train! Or at least he has some sort of strong opinion about them and I think it's thatYou may also be less keen for a Voyager, which is (I think) what they plan to actually use
Bletchleyite
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When they can demonstrate there's capacity for their services without further destroying the WCML's timekeeping. This may take some doing.
You may also be less keen for a Voyager, which is (I think) what they plan to actually use
Given that XC have now expressed a desire for the self same Voyagers...
zwk500
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Tbh I think WSMR's problems begin and end with being able to demonstrate there's room for their services south of Rugby.
DarloRich
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When they can demonstrate there's capacity for their services without further destroying the WCML's timekeeping. This may take some doing.
You may also be less keen for a Voyager, which is (I think) what they plan to actually use
Oh. That's not fair! Is it an xc voyager or a virgin voyager?I dunno, I think they're @DarloRich's favourite train! Or at least he has some sort of strong opinion about them and I think it's that