Expansion of Disabled Persons Railcard eligibility

[TUC]

No. Absolutely not. Many people will have a far more challenging experience travelling by rail even if with staff assistance provided (more accurately described as being forced to rely on staff for assistance). A discount recognising that is reasonable and fair.

Only just over 50% have some degree of step free access at all (may be via steep ramps, in one direction only, with small lift, cobbled access). 20% are fully accessible only with staff assistance, which frequently goes wrong resulting in stress, delays, and even traumatic and dangerous experiences. Less than 2% of stations have level boarding.

Incentivising people to use the train despite facing additional barriers (which will always exist regardless of assistance) requires a lower price, and that’s what the railcard does.

I think you misunderstand me. I agree with you say about the lack of step-free access. However, the proposed additional categories to the railcard eligibility criteria have little to do with step-free access needs.

 

[z444z]

I think you misunderstand me. I agree with you say about the lack of step-free access. However, the proposed additional categories to the railcard eligibility criteria have little to do with step-free access needs.

Lack of step free access is a significant barrier to many who wouldn't meet the previous criteria but do meet the new criteria. The PIP process is not fit for purpose.

But lack of step-free access is far from the only barrier and maybe I should have picked a different one.

An autistic person who struggles in crowded spaces may be completely unable to travel at the times they would like to, or might need to travel in first class, might travel in extreme discomfort, or might need to travel with a carer. This person would not necessarily be eligible for PIP, and would certainly not be able to obtain it easily - the process can take YEARS through no fault of the applicant. Eligibility, with medical evidence, for a railcard you have to pay for that provides a modest discount doesn't seem at all unreasonable to me.

 

[TUC]

Lack of step free access is a significant barrier to many who wouldn't meet the previous criteria but do meet the new criteria. The PIP process is not fit for purpose.

But lack of step-free access is far from the only barrier and maybe I should have picked a different one.

An autistic person who struggles in crowded spaces may be completely unable to travel at the times they would like to, or might need to travel in first class, might travel in extreme discomfort, or might need to travel with a carer. This person would not necessarily be eligible for PIP, and would certainly not be able to obtain it easily - the process can take YEARS through no fault of the applicant. Eligibility, with medical evidence, for a railcard you have to pay for that provides a modest discount doesn't seem at all unreasonable to me.

I can't see what a railcard has to do with being able to travel at certain times, or travelling in first class. A railcard holder has no special rights in relation to these.

 

[lachlan]

I can't see what a railcard has to do with being able to travel at certain times, or travelling in first class. A railcard holder has no special rights in relation to these.

The disabled railcard reduces the cost of travelling in first class and reduces the cost of peak time travel

 

[blimmo]

I can't see what a railcard has to do with being able to travel at certain times, or travelling in first class. A railcard holder has no special rights in relation to these.

I think the idea is that (except for first class) these things make train travel a worse experience and therefore a discount is justified.

 

[Tetchytyke]

1) PIP claim rejected based on PIP assessor's assessment, but applicant can use the same evidence with what's likely to be a less strict system to get the railcard. Private psychologists performing assessments also might in future specifically address this point as part of their overall assessment of a neurodiverse person.
2) Gets 4 points on PIP assessment

The devil is in the detail with the PIP descriptors.

Take descriptor D. You need to have a specialist navigation aid to qualify. So even if you are completely reliant on, say, Google Maps to give you step-by-step instructions, Google Maps is not a specialist navigation aid, so you wouldn't qualify.

Also look at descriptor E. Overwhelming psychological distress is a very high bar. If you become merely become moderately anxious or moderately distressed during a journey then you do not qualify. Your distress must completely overwhelm you in order to qualify.

I think it is right that eligibility for a railcard is set at a lower threshold than that.

 

[z444z]

I can't see what a railcard has to do with being able to travel at certain times, or travelling in first class. A railcard holder has no special rights in relation to these.

Rail is a less attractive option for someone who finds it difficult. Reducing the price to at least soften the blow, or making first-class more affordable which might allow the person to travel at the time they want to, is a good thing.

 

[TUC]

I think one reason why there is pushback on these proposals is that physically and sensory disabled people have spent many years arguing 'I just want to be treated like everyone else. Just because I need assistance getting on/off a train and finding a seat does not mean I need a quiet carriage or sat separately from others'. (On several occasions my wife, who is blind, has experienced the frustration of finding she has been placed in a quiet carriage when actually she wanted to call the person she was meeting.) Some of the arguments in this thread risk undermining all those years of good work changing the image of disability,

 

[Tetchytyke]

I think one reason why there is pushback on these proposals is that physically and sensory disabled people have spent many years arguing 'I just want to be treated like everyone else.

This has to be one of the more bizarre arguments that I have seen on here.

Firstly, you mention your wife. She qualifies for the railcard. I presume she owns one, for she would be daft not to. I presume that you enjoy the discount when you travel with her because, again, you would be daft not to. Using your argument, she should not be allowed to have a railcard, as it is treating her differently. I am sure that isn't what you really mean.

Secondly, the railcard discount isn't particularly special. It is slightly cheaper than most of the other railcards and it has slightly fewer usage restrictions than most of the other railcards. But it isn't noticeably different to the Veterans Railcard or the Senior Railcard; all are valid in first class and all are valid at all times*.

Thirdly, it is a commercial offering. As others have noted, the railcard is revenue positive, i.e. it generates more revenue than it costs. Travelling by train when you have a disability, even a relatively moderate disability, is more inconvenient than if you don't have a disability. The offer of a discount incentivises people to travel by train even if it is more inconvenient. Which is the same reason why the Friends and Family Railcard exists.

I genuinely do not understand why any sort of discussion about the Disabled Railcard generates such controversy.

(* other than the Veterans Railcard having a £12 minimum fare and the Senior Railcard not being valid in the Network Area in the morning peak)

 

[blimmo]

Tbh I think it is slightly weird that the Disabled Railcard gives the same discount as the age based railcards. I certainly don't find train travel as inconvenient as most people eligible for the Disabled Railcard do. Obviously most railcards are revenue positive so there's no reason to get rid of the age based ones but it would seem sensible to be offering a bigger discount to those for which train travel is genuinely a difficult experience.

 

[z444z]

I think one reason why there is pushback on these proposals is that physically and sensory disabled people have spent many years arguing 'I just want to be treated like everyone else. Just because I need assistance getting on/off a train and finding a seat does not mean I need a quiet carriage or sat separately from others'. (On several occasions my wife, who is blind, has experienced the frustration of finding she has been placed in a quiet carriage when actually she wanted to call the person she was meeting.) Some of the arguments in this thread risk undermining all those years of good work changing the image of disability,

I am an autistic person with a severe energy limiting illness as well as a physical disability, consider myself a disability advocate, and I have no idea what you’re on about. We’re talking about a railcard that provides cheaper fares.

 

[TUC]

I am an autistic person with a severe energy limiting illness as well as a physical disability, consider myself a disability advocate, and I have no idea what you’re on about. We’re talking about a railcard that provides cheaper fares.

I do think that the debate above has mixed up railcard eligibility criteria with preferences for matters such as quiet carriages. They are different issues.

 

[z444z]

Tbh I think it is slightly weird that the Disabled Railcard gives the same discount as the age based railcards. I certainly don't find train travel as inconvenient as most people eligible for the Disabled Railcard do. Obviously most railcards are revenue positive so there's no reason to get rid of the age based ones but it would seem sensible to be offering a bigger discount to those for which train travel is genuinely a difficult experience.

As well as the fact that the discount for a carer is only 1/3, which means a disabled railcard holder travelling with a carer is still paying 33% more than someone without a railcard who doesn’t require a carer

This is in line with other forms of transport such as coaches and airplanes, but trains are fundamentally different in that they do not need to be heavily loaded just to break even, total capacity is higher, and space is less limited, and I think that an addon to the disabled railcard providing free transport for carers when travelling with the railcard holder, even if only registered carers, would be in the interests of fairness. Whether the railway could afford that is another question but imo it should be a goal.

 

[TUC]

As well as the fact that the discount for a carer is only 1/3, which means a disabled railcard holder travelling with a carer is still paying 33% more than someone without a railcard who doesn’t require a carer

This is in line with other forms of transport such as coaches and airplanes, but trains are fundamentally different in that they do not need to be heavily loaded just to break even, total capacity is higher, and space is less limited, and I think that an addon to the disabled railcard providing free transport for carers when travelling with the railcard holder, even if only registered carers, would be in the interests of fairness. Whether the railway could afford that is another question but imo it should be a goal.

'Companion' please. I am not my wife's carer

 

[z444z]

'Companion' please. I am not my wife's carer

I’m not talking about you… someone paying more to travel with a companion isn’t unfair. Someone paying more to travel with an essential companion due to disability, or a carer, is.

 

[LittleRedTrain]

There would definitely be some merit in standardising the discounts for disabled people travelling with essential companions:

Someone who is visually impaired or uses a wheelchair can get a 50% discount for both themselves and a companion, without a railcard, on Anytime tickets only. They can't get this discount if it's just the disabled person travelling.
Season ticket holders can also take a free essential companion, but get no discount on their own season.
Neither discount can be booked online and tickets must be purchased at a ticket office (or presumably from a conductor). The staff have to assess whether the traveller is eligible.

However, with a Disabled railcard, a disabled passenger can get a discount of 33% for themselves and a companion on all ticket types, and can get the discount even if they travel alone.
These discounts are available to railcard holders however they purchase tickets.
Eligibility is checked in advance by the railcard provider against evidence submitted.

Confusing? Definitely!

Personally, I'd like to see a flat rate of 50% discount for all Disabled Railcard holders on all tickets including Seasons, with a free companion if required. However, as a railcard holder myself, I'm just a bit biased.

 

[TUC]

There would definitely be some merit in standardising the discounts for disabled people travelling with essential companions:

Someone who is visually impaired or uses a wheelchair can get a 50% discount for both themselves and a companion, without a railcard, on Anytime tickets only. They can't get this discount if it's just the disabled person travelling.
Season ticket holders can also take a free essential companion, but get no discount on their own season.
Neither discount can be booked online and tickets must be purchased at a ticket office (or presumably from a conductor). The staff have to assess whether the traveller is eligible.

However, with a Disabled railcard, a disabled passenger can get a discount of 33% for themselves and a companion on all ticket types, and can get the discount even if they travel alone.
These discounts are available to railcard holders however they purchase tickets.
Eligibility is checked in advance by the railcard provider against evidence submitted.

Confusing? Definitely!

Personally, I'd like to see a flat rate of 50% discount for all Disabled Railcard holders on all tickets including Seasons, with a free companion if required. However, as a railcard holder myself, I'm just a bit biased.

50% discount for a Disabled Railcard holder plus 50% for the companion would be equitable, as it brings the disabled person back to the same financial position as if they did not need the companion's support.

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I’m not talking about you… someone paying more to travel with a companion isn’t unfair. Someone paying more to travel with an essential companion due to disability, or a carer, is.

You miss my point. My wife has a disability, and needs the assistance of me (or someone else) to board/disembark, but I do that as her husband. Labelling family members as 'carers' somehow (unintentionally) implies that disabled people need to be 'cared for' rather than just being parents, employees etc, the same as everyone else on the train, but who happen to need assistance boarding and disembarking.