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I have seen small, unstaffed stations with card-only ticket machines, e.g. Portway Park & Ride Station near in Bristol; stations which if they didn't have a card-only ticket machine, the alternative would probably be no ticket machine at all. But I was surprised to see that Brent Cross West, a staffed station with ticket gates and three ticket machines, is card only. Is this the busiest card-only National Rail station?
 
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I have seen small, unstaffed stations with card-only ticket machines, e.g. Portway Park & Ride Station near in Bristol; stations which if they didn't have a card-only ticket machine, the alternative would probably be no ticket machine at all. But I was surprised to see that Brent Cross West, a staffed station with ticket gates and three ticket machines, is card only. Is this the busiest card-only National Rail station?
So what do you do if your card doesn’t work but you’ve got plenty of cash?
 

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Brent Cross West also has contactless. About 2000 stations don't.

We have number of stations in South West where they are card only majority of the time, but have a part time ticket office (few hours each morning, 5 days a week, but not weekends). How does that fit your definition.

My local station has step free entrance to either platform, there is a single TVM at platform 2 entrance, but no ticket facilities at other entrance on platform 1. If can't use the stairs in theory supposed to go out, along 3 roads, to other entrance, buy ticket from card only machine, then hike back to other platform via 3 roads. How that passes disability rules is beyond me.
 

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So what do you do if your card doesn’t work but you’ve got plenty of cash?
Not sure how it works in the south but Northern TVMs (Ticket Vending Machines) offer promise to pay tickets you can get with the start station and destination listed and pay with cash when challenged.
 

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Not sure how it works in the south but Northern TVMs (Ticket Vending Machines) offer promise to pay tickets you can get with the start station and destination listed and pay with cash when challenged.
Think that’s exclusive to Northern - my query related to the fact that Brent Cross West is apparently barriered so the option of on-train purchase is not available. I know it’s covered by Oyster etc which helps but even so…
 

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Surely Heathrow’s three rail (not underground) stations are the up there? None of the TVMs or staff accept cash.
 

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Surely Heathrow’s three rail (not underground) stations are the up there? None of the TVMs or staff accept cash.
Where does the train station end and the airport begin? Surely there's somewhere that sells the overpriced Heathrow Express tickets for cash somewhere.
 

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So what do you do if your card doesn’t work but you’ve got plenty of cash?
If there is no facility to pay with cash at the origin, then pay at the first opportunity; this may be on board, or at an interchange station (if applicable), or the destination.

In some cases there may be no opportunity in the entire journey.

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Where does the train station end and the airport begin?
I don't think there is a concept of that; the railway station is within the airport.
Surely there's somewhere that sells the overpriced Heathrow Express tickets for cash somewhere.
Maybe as you exit customs? There are sometimes people stood at a booth, but I do not know if they accept cash.
 

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So what do you do if your card doesn’t work but you’ve got plenty of cash?
New NRCoT implies you must pay with cash but only if it is accepted. (It wouldn't be in the example you gave)

Now, it is only permitted to board a train without paying if the TVM or ticket office doesn't accept your *only* method of payment, a subtle change which occurred in November.

6.1.1. refers

6.1 You must hold a valid Ticket or authority to travel for the journey you intend to make before you board a train unless at the time, one of the following circumstances applies at the station you depart from:

6.1.1 There were no facilities for the issue of the Ticket you require or other authority to travel either because there was no Ticket office open or a self-service Ticket machine was not in working order, or would not accept your only available method of payment (card or cash)
 

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New NRCoT implies you must pay with cash but only if it is accepted. (It wouldn't be in the example you gave)

Now, it is only permitted to board a train without paying if the TVM or ticket office doesn't accept your *only* method of payment, a subtle change which occurred in November.

6.1.1. refers

6.1 You must hold a valid Ticket or authority to travel for the journey you intend to make before you board a train unless at the time, one of the following circumstances applies at the station you depart from:

6.1.1 There were no facilities for the issue of the Ticket you require or other authority to travel either because there was no Ticket office open or a self-service Ticket machine was not in working order, or would not accept your only available method of payment (card or cash)
The point is that Brent Cross West is barriered so “pay in cash later in the journey” is not an option.
 

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The number of people using Brent Cross West and buying tickets will be tiny anyway, never mind those with only cash.
 

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And you aren’t allowed to force your way through the gates…

Stations aren't allowed to be unstaffed/unmonitored with gates in use, so presumably you would state that you were paying in cash and ask to be let through.

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Where does the train station end and the airport begin? Surely there's somewhere that sells the overpriced Heathrow Express tickets for cash somewhere.

Though the intersection between "air travellers at a major international airport" and "people who don't have any form of payment card*" is going to be infinitesimally small.

* Noting that AmEx won't always "do nicely", but TBH anyone going to Europe with just an AmEx is going to have problems in far more places than the railway.
 

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At Isleworth, the busiest unstaffed station last I heard, the ticket machine visible on street view used to say cash and card payments, and now only says card payments.
 

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Stations aren't allowed to be unstaffed/unmonitored with gates in use, so presumably you would state that you were paying in cash and ask to be let through.
That's the theory, but how confident would you be of being let through rather than being told by a poorly trained staff member that "You have to buy a ticket before boarding"?
 

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That's the theory, but how confident would you be of being let through rather than being told by a poorly trained staff member that "You have to buy a ticket before boarding"?
At Brent Cross West I asked a gateline staff member, how did they deal with customers who had plenty of cash but no other means of payment? He said that station staff were lobbying for a ticket machine that accepted cash to be added, but this hadn't happened. He said that station staff sometimes buy tickets for customers using their personal cards! I said that if the railway didn't accept cash payment, that was the railway's problem and not the customer's problem, and the customer should be allowed to pay at their destination. I didn't press him on whether this happens in practice, because I didn't want to give him a hard time.
 

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It used to be common to see a member of staff at a gateline with a portable TIS to deal with anyone who turned up without a ticket. Is there a reason this is not done anymore? agency staffing? robbery concerns?
 

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Given that cash is not accepted on local buses, and hasn't been for a long time, I can't imagine that there will be many people using that station who only have cash on them.
 

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It used to be common to see a member of staff at a gateline with a portable TIS to deal with anyone who turned up without a ticket. Is there a reason this is not done anymore? agency staffing? robbery concerns?
It is being done on Greater Anglia as part of a pay deal, with spare conductors standing at the barriers to sell tickets. It's primarily to reduce the amount of invalid off-peaks and ticketless travellers on pay-trains. They don't tend to hang around the barriers for long though.
 

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Given that cash is not accepted on local buses, and hasn't been for a long time, I can't imagine that there will be many people using that station who only have cash on them.
Not sure that that follows. Not everyone on a train also uses buses.
 

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Not sure that that follows. Not everyone on a train also uses buses.
This is London, where people have been using Oyster and contactless on the network for years. The number of paper tickets sold will be incredibly small, especially as they're way more expensive within London.
 

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Yes it would be very small. It would mostly be visitors.

Fulfilment and payment methods vary massively throughout the country; what most people do in one area can be very different to another.
 
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Though the intersection between "air travellers at a major international airport" and "people who don't have any form of payment card*" is going to be infinitesimally small.
That's very probably true, but there may be a larger group of people who don't want to use their payment cards, especially for relatively small payments, because each such transaction will incur a foreign exchange fee.
 

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That's very probably true, but there may be a larger group of people who don't want to use their payment cards, especially for relatively small payments, because each such transaction will incur a foreign exchange fee.

Those people simply need to either get a travel-specific prepaid cards that don't have flat fees for foreign use (I've not come across a bank doing that for ages, these days it's a percentage or just a slightly bad exchange rate, though years ago it was common on debit cards), or just to find a better bank. I don't think we should pander to people who can't be bothered choosing an appropriate banking arrangement for international travel.

Also don't forget that obtaining cash forex incurs fees too.

Next thing you'll be asking for is travellers' cheque acceptance :) It's 2026, not 1985.

It's probably also worth note that Heathrow is a London airport, and London is very much leading the way in moving away from cash. If you don't have a payment card you're going to struggle in a wide range of London businesses, from your hotel to a restaurant, let alone transport. Offer cash in London these days and you often get a very strange look, whereas card is accepted pretty much everywhere. Things are very different if for instance you'd just landed in Liverpool where cash is still very common.
 

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Those people simply need to either get a travel-specific prepaid cards that don't have flat fees for foreign use (I've not come across a bank doing that for ages, these days it's a percentage or just a slightly bad exchange rate, though years ago it was common on debit cards), or just to find a better bank. I don't think we should pander to people who can't be bothered choosing an appropriate banking arrangement for international travel.

Also don't forget that obtaining cash forex incurs fees too.

Next thing you'll be asking for is travellers' cheque acceptance :) It's 2026, not 1985.
We're talking about inbound visitors to the UK here. Several countries with a plentiful amount of inbound demand to the UK do still have fixed-fee elements to foreign transactions (Canada being one) where there might be a wish to use cash.

This is a bit moot anyway I think; all Heathrow terminals do, or at least did recently, have one TfL (Cubic) ticket machine that takes cash.
 
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