First Greater Glasgow

[JumpinTrainz]

The Ex-Scotland East batch are still allowed to be on the 60/60A, and I believe they’re the same height as the Cornwall batch?

33439 - SN66 WGM

ADL Enviro400 MMC

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I had truly never heard this before as B7TLs and B9TLs have operated on the 60/60A, 61 for years. I’m surprised to see it’s now a thing where only certain height deckers can operate these routes?

 

[LT02 NVV]

I had truly never heard this before as B7TLs and B9TLs have operated on the 60/60A, 61 for years. I’m surprised to see it’s now a thing where only certain height deckers can operate these routes?

Same, but there was a discussion about it earlier in the thread. Apparently it’s due to new bridge markings.

 

[Metal Mickey]

The Maryhill Canal Bridge has a triangular warning sign which doesn’t mean that vehicles higher than the height stated are banned from operating under it. If it was a circular sign then there would be no option but to operate vehicles marked 14’3” or lower. Historically, Leyland Atlanteans, Ailsas, Volvo Citybuses and Volvo Olympian Royales operated under the bridge in question and they were taller than today’s vehicles.

 

[AndrewTaylor95]

I had truly never heard this before as B7TLs and B9TLs have operated on the 60/60A, 61 for years. I’m surprised to see it’s now a thing where only certain height deckers can operate these routes?

14"2' is the height marked on the 66 plate batch so is fine to use anyway, The sole 18 plate that came with the Cornwall batch is a low height example though

 

[Supercus]

not sure on specifics but they 2 routes are cancelled and theres a big shake up of lanarkshire routes

I have noticed that all the routes based in Overtown are being cancelled apart from the 242 is it possible that 242 + the 202 route are being combined as one route and the 242 changing depot

Also is it possible that the Overtown depot is either closing or being put up for sale or has been sold
Bearing in mind that Overtown Depot originally belonged to Hutchison Coaches

 

[Dfatcontroller]

I have noticed that all the routes based in Overtown are being cancelled apart from the 242 is it possible that 242 + the 202 route are being combined as one route and the 242 changing depot

Also is it possible that the Overtown depot is either closing or being put up for sale or has been sold
Bearing in mind that Overtown Depot originally belonged to Hutchison Coaches

First Glasgow are shaking up their Lanarkshire routes - having read the overview of the changes (that I am not at liberty to share), it would seem First are positioning themselves to engage in competition with JMB Travel.
First will find themselves serving Lanark again amongst lots of other route and route number changes.

 

[lastbus]

I have noticed that all the routes based in Overtown are being cancelled apart from the 242 is it possible that 242 + the 202 route are being combined as one route and the 242 changing depot

Also is it possible that the Overtown depot is either closing or being put up for sale or has been sold
Bearing in mind that Overtown Depot originally belonged to Hutchison Coaches

Overtown Depot still belongs to the Hutchison family.

 

[SarahDFIG]

First Glasgow are shaking up their Lanarkshire routes - having read the overview of the changes (that I am not at liberty to share), it would seem First are positioning themselves to engage in competition with JMB Travel.
First will find themselves serving Lanark again amongst lots of other route and route number changes.

Lanark has been mentioned before on coming back but won't happen if someone has a brain. When McKindless went under and First took over, the route was dead no one wanted to use First for the fact they don't provide change and drivers are behind a screen. A big change from what the passengers were use too.

Soon as the green vehicles reappeared on the streets it wasn't long before First pulled out. Customers in this neck of the woods like to interact with the drivers also with a few faces on the 41 who have drove the route for many many years.

I don't see how they have the resources to expand this side of Lanarkshire and to try and compete with JMB on the 41 route which I think is just ludicrous. Perhaps its not JMB they are fighting but Stuarts for the express route?

Either way I thought First Glasgow was short of vehicles unless a route is being cancelled/reduced.

These changes First are planning are possibly to reflect what JMB are upto as they continue to grow in Firsts territory.

First have provided poor service for too long this side of Lanarkshire with the downgrading of vehicles for a start when you have the independents all using Volvo Evoras.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Lanark has been mentioned before on coming back but won't happen if someone has a brain. When McKindless went under and First took over, the route was dead no one wanted to use First for the fact they don't provide change and drivers are behind a screen. A big change from what the passengers were use too.

Soon as the green vehicles reappeared on the streets it wasn't long before First pulled out. Customers in this neck of the woods like to interact with the drivers also with a few faces on the 41 who have drove the route for many many years.

I don't see how they have the resources to expand this side of Lanarkshire and to try and compete with JMB on the 41 route which I think is just ludicrous. Perhaps its not JMB they are fighting but Stuarts for the express route?

Either way I thought First Glasgow was short of vehicles unless a route is being cancelled/reduced.

These changes First are planning are possibly to reflect what JMB are upto as they continue to grow in Firsts territory.

First have provided poor service for too long this side of Lanarkshire with the downgrading of vehicles for a start when you have the independents all using Volvo Evoras.

It’s true. Ordering new branded buses for Lanarkshire routes felt like a step in the right direction only for them to go off lease and to replace them with 2009 plate old buckets.

If First want to get serious a full refresh of the Lanarkshire network is definitely welcomed and needed. New or modern electric buses would be needed. Who knows with the new ZEB funding - perhaps new buses could be on the cards or at least allow the current ADL/BYD E200EVs to move over to Lanarkshire.

 

[Volvodart]

Who knows with the new ZEB funding - perhaps new buses could be on the cards or at least allow the current ADL/BYD E200EVs to move over to Lanarkshire.

Not very good if Lanarkshire is not getting brand new buses, just more hand me downs.

 

[SarahDFIG]

Andypreece website has the following listed as cancelled so far on the upcoming changes.

U1
202
229
241
254
240 with timetable change.

 

[gomango]

Andypreece website has the following listed as cancelled so far on the upcoming changes.

U1
202
229
241
254
240 with timetable change.

Not another bus war with JMB, feels like its about the 5th one at this point, the lanarkshire network is fine as it is now

 

[SarahDFIG]

Not another bus war with JMB, feels like its about the 5th one at this point, the lanarkshire network is fine as it is now

JMB have been on form recently with new Lanarkshire services. First has obviously seen them as a threat but in terms of a bus war. I would say JMB have nothing to worry about let First run to Lanark if that is their plan. Its just the usual First tactics. Run the competition off the road then downgrade services. The people of Lanarkshire ain't daft. Passengers keep begging JMB to run back to Shotts for instance which clearly shows they ain't happy with First. If First are going to try and compete in Lanarkshire they need to invest in better vehicles. The Evoras are night and day compared to everything else. As said previously. Overtown is a dumping ground for knackered run down buses.

 

[Ethan CowanJMB]

See with the new service Changes does anyone have any times etc? Or any more info? Also what service is running to Lanark

 

[EMU303]

Is this an attempt by First to keep the competition “small” as a means to diminish their ability to bid for contracts when/if franchising does eventually occur? Recognising franchising would be a few years away.

 

[Highland050261]

With B9TLs dropping like flies because first aren’t repacing engines and gearboxes, roughly 30 have been withdrawn and sent for scrap with no replacement. You look at caledonias allocation board and you’ll see about 15 vehicles loaned in from other garages to cover short allocations

Looks like 37471, 37548, and 37745 are now done as well.

 

[handandy67]

Just noticed that 71048 is now at Scotstoun depot REG MXZ 3328 PIC Taken By Andrew Craig but not showing on Bustimes .org

 

[AndrewTaylor95]

Just noticed that 71048 is now at Scotstoun depot REG MXZ 3328 PIC Taken By Andrew Craig but not showing on Bustimes .org

Not out on the road just yet

 

[overthewater]

See with the new service Changes does anyone have any times etc? Or any more info? Also what service is running to Lanark

Alas the details have not been made public nor has the new registration been sorted at Leeds Vosa. All we know is the changes are on 29th March.

It's funny in the First south west thread they already published service changes which are happen a week later.

No one here should have sorrow for First at the min in Lanarkshire, the only reason they actually making ANY effort now is because JMB highlighted alot of gaps and plugged them, and first are playing second fiddle.

Im still shocked they come up with the X43 idea! but its too little too late.

 

[DC21]

Seen on a local page that the 241/254 are being joined up creating a circular route. Also supposedly an Eddlewood to Airdrie via Maxim Park service and UWS to Little Earnock. Unsure how true though.

 

[jazza374]

Seen on a local page that the 241/254 are being joined up creating a circular route. Also supposedly an Eddlewood to Airdrie via Maxim Park service and UWS to Little Earnock. Unsure how true though.

Supposedly 241/254 will now be circular route 291/293. Likely (North) Motherwell Newarthill over Biggar Road to Cleland then Coltness Wishaw back to Motherwell for one of the numbers and same route in opposite direction for the other number. Will make journey time less for people going from Cleland to Motherwell.

 

[lastbus]

Supposedly 241/254 will now be circular route 291/293. Likely (North) Motherwell Newarthill over Biggar Road to Cleland then Coltness Wishaw back to Motherwell for one of the numbers and same route in opposite direction for the other number. Will make journey time less for people going from Cleland to Motherwell.

Circular service won’t serve North Motherwell.

 

[ScotRail158725]

Circular service won’t serve North Motherwell.

correct the 243 from lanark will cover that

 

[overthewater]

At least they kept the same service numbers for Lanark. None of the ideas have will set the heather on fire yet.

 

[NorthClyde320]

correct the 243 from lanark will cover that

Has this all been confirmed but remains confidential for now or is it just rumours going around?

If First are really wanting a bus war why not have a 241 Lanark to Hamilton and a 256 Shotts to North Motherwell new services?

I don't know why First are even bothering with this because nothing JMB operates really competes with them, the X1 is a route First gave up, the X5 doesn't directly compete with anything, the recent 5 extension is that going to make a big dent to First. Will we see a influx of newer or new buses for these changes cause if not I can't see it lasting. I mean how many times have First tried and given up with Carluke and Lanark since JMB started up?

 

[lastbus]

Has this all been confirmed but remains confidential for now or is it just rumours going around?

If First are really wanting a bus war why not have a 241 Lanark to Hamilton and a 256 Shotts to North Motherwell new services?

I don't know why First are even bothering with this because nothing JMB operates really competes with them, the X1 is a route First gave up, the X5 doesn't directly compete with anything, the recent 5 extension is that going to make a big dent to First. Will we see an influx of newer or new buses for these changes cause if not I can't see it lasting. I mean how many times have First tried and given up with Carluke and Lanark since JMB started up?

All changes now on Andy Preece website.

 

[Supercus]

I noticed that they have two new services via New Stevenston
Namely the 209 Motherwell Brandon Parade to Clay Crescent Bellshill I don’t know if it’s going via Jerviston street or Carfin Street in New Stevenston
Also the 211 Eddlewood to Thrashbush via Maxim and Calderbank
I think that the 209 may go via Carfin Street in New Stevenston to compete with both of JMB’s 5 and 5x services
Please note that JMB’s 42/42a services are partially tendered by the SPT between Airdrie and Calderbank plus between Wishaw and Larkhall and of course the 42a is mainly a tendered Evening and Sunday service

 

[overthewater]

If First really wanted to push the boat and be smarter they should have operated the 211 via Chaplehall, but it clears as day now they are just trying to get thier own back at JMB, and the public are not that stupid.

 

[AilsaBus]

All changes now on Andy Preece website.

Link?

 

[overthewater]

A link to a independent website which lists bus service changes in the Glasgow area:

Glasgow Bus Timetable Finder - Forthcoming Service Changes

Its a great website and has been around for 20 years now?