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Disused passing and freight loops/sidings

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TrainViation

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In the Fife area around Thornton, there are 2 passing loops which are still used today on the northbound line at Kirkcaldy and Thornton DPL. Whereas Thornton UPL is classed on ORM as disused, with the nearest passing loop to Thornton still in use is Inverkeithing. Is Thornton U.P.L definitely closed? Or is this not accurate?
 
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Point of order Mr Speaker, the Kirkcaldy down loop isn't a loop at all, it's what remains of the yard. It was used for a long time to shunt things out of the way and reverse the Kirkcaldy terminators, all since extended further up the coast. Nowadays there's nothing scheduled to use it, although it's a useful cripple siding in extremis.

Thornton North DPL is still signalled for use, although is normally only ever used in disruption. There's a once daily service that is timetabled through it; 1N79 Glasgow Queen Street - Dundee. Here is today's working. It's timetabled through the loop because it means that another service can use a parallel route from Kirkcaldy to Leven at the same time. I expect that when either of these services are more than five minutes late, they both use the main line.

The up loop gets more use, with a couple of services usually timetabled daily. The up Caledonian Sleeper usually spends ten minutes waiting for a HST to pass. The Aberdeen - Oxwellmains cement empties also sits in the loop for twenty minutes or so. This is unusual in that it's freight timetabled over the Forth Bridge and through Waverley; the light weight of the empties and the late hour mean that the 20mph speed limit for freight over the bridge isn't an issue.

Thornton North UPL is definitely still in use, it was used on Friday by the sleeper, and over last night by a test train.

Inverkeithing UPL sees regular timetabled services throughout the day; there's a few Leven - Edinburgh services which sit there to be overtaken by a HST, and the Aberdeen - Oxwellmains cement empties again.
 

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Point of order Mr Speaker, the Kirkcaldy down loop isn't a loop at all, it's what remains of the yard. It was used for a long time to shunt things out of the way and reverse the Kirkcaldy terminators, all since extended further up the coast. Nowadays there's nothing scheduled to use it, although it's a useful cripple siding in extremis.

Thornton North DPL is still signalled for use, although is normally only ever used in disruption. There's a once daily service that is timetabled through it; 1N79 Glasgow Queen Street - Dundee. Here is today's working. It's timetabled through the loop because it means that another service can use a parallel route from Kirkcaldy to Leven at the same time. I expect that when either of these services are more than five minutes late, they both use the main line.

The up loop gets more use, with a couple of services usually timetabled daily. The up Caledonian Sleeper usually spends ten minutes waiting for a HST to pass. The Aberdeen - Oxwellmains cement empties also sits in the loop for twenty minutes or so. This is unusual in that it's freight timetabled over the Forth Bridge and through Waverley; the light weight of the empties and the late hour mean that the 20mph speed limit for freight over the bridge isn't an issue.

Thornton North UPL is definitely still in use, it was used on Friday by the sleeper, and over last night by a test train.

Inverkeithing UPL sees regular timetabled services throughout the day; there's a few Leven - Edinburgh services which sit there to be overtaken by a HST, and the Aberdeen - Oxwellmains cement empties again.
Thank you very much for the information. I now think ORM is quite unreliable for certain things, those of which I am not sure what is accurate or not.

While looking at certain services on RTT, I've never really noticed anything using the Thornton UPL so it made sense in my head for ORM to be right in that case, alas I was proven wrong.
 

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I now think ORM is quite unreliable for certain things, those of which I am not sure what is accurate or not.
ORM (OpenRailwayMap) is unreliable for a lot of things. The official source for whether infrastructure is in use or not is the Sectional Appendix, available on Network Rail's website.

There are internal lists of things 'temporarily' out of use which are not normally published but the sectional Appendix would be the best starting point.
 
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What’s “ORM”, please?
Apologies, Open Railway Map - a subset of Open Street Map that displays a range of technical information about the railways.

There's an updated version with a historical layer to it: https://openrailwaymap.app/#view=1.91/0/0

It's a fantastic resource in many ways, but it does need to be used with the caution that it's updated by a public community under opensource licensing, not by the railway authorities themselves. Some information is outdated, some is inaccurate, and some is just missing. It also does not cope especially well with the intricacies of things like differential speed profiles, multiple signalling systems overlaid, or the fact the AWS is fitted to Signals not routes. At some point I might see if I can get my coding up to scratch and work out how to fill in some of the missing info, but that's another topic.
 
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