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TfL considers upgrade to barriers to accept barcode tickets

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According to an article by IanVisits, TfL is looking into upgrading barriers to accept National Rail barcode tickets. Apparently upgrades would start across the network in summer 2027.


At the moment, customers are usually allowed to pass through ticket barriers manually, which slows them and ties up staff, a problem during peak hours. To try out an idea, in June 2024, London Underground staff at Farringdon and Stratford stations were issued with handheld barcode scanners to check tickets before letting passengers through. Following the success, this was expanded to six stations — Farringdon, Highbury and Islington, Kentish Town, Moorgate, Old Street and Stratford.

However that still requires customers to seek out a member of staff when their ticket can’t work at the ticket barrier.

Now, in a notice sent to potential suppliers, TfL said it is considering installing fixed barcode scanners across London Underground stations, starting with key stations in central London and those shared with National Rail services.

The aim though is to have barcode scanners on the ticket barriers, and the roll-out of scanners could ultimately be required at all London Underground and TfL Rail locations, based on forecasted demand. The priority, if the contract goes ahead, would be TfL stations shared with National Rail services, followed by cross-London interchanges, such as Overground and Elizabeth line stations.

Then, if expanded, it would start with the central London tube stations and expand outwards from there.
There would also need to be back-of-house upgrades to support barcode tickets, and the supply contract would also include replacing the legacy magnetic tickets with barcode tickets for customers who need to buy a single ticket.

In the meantime, they might expand the use of the handheld barcode scanners currently used at the trial stations. As it’s likely to be a software upgrade to their existing revenue inspection devices, offering a temporary facility for London Underground staff while the ticket barriers are upgraded.

If the contract is signed, TfL expects work to enable barcode scanners in London Underground stations to start in June 2027.

A Transport for London (TfL) spokesperson said: “There is a shared ambition across the rail industry for phasing out magnetic ticketing, to deliver operational and customer benefits. To support this, we are seeking a ticketing solution that would enable barcode tickets in London, alongside our existing Oyster and contactless system.

Barcode ticketing has been rolled out nationally across the rail network, and this market engagement by TfL looks to understand the market’s capability for designing, developing, testing and deploying a scalable end to end barcode ticketing solution for identified stations on our network. Subject to the response from this engagement, we will then consider our next steps.”

The spokesperson confirmed that barcode ticketing is for rail services, and there isn’t currently a plan to offer it on buses.

As an aside, although mobile barcode tickets look like conventional QR codes, they are technically Aztec codes, which differ slightly in that they include a central bullseye for efficient scanning on small, low-screen devices. Although QR codes generally hold more data and have better error correction, Aztec codes are compact and better for mobile ticketing where quick scans are needed on small smartphone screens.

So when you’re stuck in a queue for a gig, and the staff are struggling to scan the mobile tickets, they probably issued QR code-based tickets.

The UK’s train companies use Aztec codes, as will TfL if the barcode contract is signed.

IanVisits article: https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/article...n-accept-national-rail-barcode-tickets-87076/
 
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The title of the thread implies TfL will be using eyes to upgrade the barriers...that sounds fun to watch! :D
 

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I thought this was old news? It’s been discussed in a couple of existing threads, eg as a side issue in the project Oval discussion, but also has its own thread here:
 

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I thought this was old news? It’s been discussed in a couple of existing threads, eg as a side issue in the project Oval discussion, but also has its own thread here:
In fairness the article's source is a preliminary notice TfL issued only several days ago, which I've quoted in the Barcode 2.0 thread. Heretofore TfL had not publicly considered barcode* reader fitment a potentially worthwhile task and their proposed scope goes further than the "joint LU/NR & termini-serving LU station" scope that was previously envisaged.

[* Aztec / QR / most other 2D codes are matrix codes, technically speaking. Though it seems even fewer people know that than about the existence of QR Aztec codes!]
 

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Barcode ticketing has been rolled out nationally across the rail network
Has it? I am still being issued with non-barcode mag-stripe tickets at my local station.
 

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Given that details of TfL's next revenue collection contract, Proteus, were only confirmed a few days ago, it makes sense both that this would only be confirmed now and that previous responses were cagey.

TfL have been trying to withdraw magnetic tickets for years, and it perhaps isn't surprising that they have seemingly settled on the national Aztec format.
 

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I have also heard whispers that Oyster may allow for Apple Pay, Samsung Pay etc; however not confirmed
 

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Has it? I am still being issued with non-barcode mag-stripe tickets at my local station.

It has been rolled out nationally but that doesn't mean that traditional magnetic stripe tickets have been phased out. Yet.

And I believe it has to be specifically enabled for each ticket type for each flow so isn't available for all journeys even if there isn't an obvious reason (such as cross-London travel) for it not to be.
 

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It has been rolled out nationally but that doesn't mean that traditional magnetic stripe tickets have been phased out. Yet.

And I believe it has to be specifically enabled for each ticket type for each flow so isn't available for all journeys even if there isn't an obvious reason (such as cross-London travel) for it not to be.
I don't recall ever receiving a bar coded ticket from my local TfW ticket office, which still seems to be issuing CCST for all journeys.
 

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I don't recall ever receiving a bar coded ticket from my local TfW ticket office, which still seems to be issuing CCST for all journeys.
Just means TfW hasn't changed to using the environmentally friendly recyclable paper roll ticketing stock within the ticket offices in conjunction with having a CCST printer for when someone wishes to buy a ticket which can only be sold on mag-strip stock due to involving London.

You can get the bar-coded tickets if you purchase them online
 

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I don't recall ever receiving a bar coded ticket from my local TfW ticket office, which still seems to be issuing CCST for all journeys.

Indeed, though some TOCs seem to have moved towards issuing paper tickets with an Aztec code on in ticket offices.

But where you've bought a CCST ticket you probably could have obtained an e-ticket instead if you'd wanted, by purchasing on an app or the web.

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Just means TfW hasn't changed to using the environmentally friendly recyclable paper roll ticketing stock within the ticket offices in conjunction with having a CCST printer for when someone wishes to buy a ticket which can only be sold on mag-strip stock due to involving London.

You can get the bar-coded tickets if you purchase them online

Our posts crossed.

I presume though that for TfW to make this change would involve some initial outlay of cash, which I think might be a bit in short supply at the moment.

Also management effort and they may well have other priorities at present.

There are of course currently reasons that the ticket offices need CCST printing facilities other than selling tickets to London.
E.g. season tickets (not yet mandatory to use a smart card) and railcards (I expect these will become available on-line only at some point but it hasn't happened yet).
 
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You can get the bar-coded tickets if you purchase them online
Whenever I have bought a ticket on line, it has still been printed without a barcode when I have collected it from the ticket office. And of course not all tickets are available on line.

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Just means TfW hasn't changed to using the environmentally friendly recyclable paper roll ticketing stock within the ticket offices in conjunction with having a CCST printer for when someone wishes to buy a ticket which can only be sold on mag-strip stock due to involving London.
Can't the barcode be printed on CCST stock? I am fairly sure that I have received such tickets elsewhere.

And if TfW aren't issuing barcoded tickets, for whatever reason, then they haven't been rolled out nationally, which was my original point.
 

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And if TfW aren't issuing barcoded tickets, for whatever reason, then they haven't been rolled out nationally, which was my original point.

Almost every journey in the UK can now be made using a "barcode" ticket and in my experience the vast majority of passengers showing tickets have them as an e-ticket.

What hasn't happened - yet - is for it to not only have been rolled out nationally but for it to have become the sole method of ticket fulfillment.

(Perhaps that would be CCSTS being unrolled nationally?)
 

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Can't the barcode be printed on CCST stock? I am fairly sure that I have received such tickets elsewhere.
Aztec codes on CCST have been trialled in the past but they are no longer accredited (as explained in another thread).

And if TfW aren't issuing barcoded tickets, for whatever reason, then they haven't been rolled out nationally, which was my original point.
After using their journey planner to look up various journeys I'm inclined to believe the majority of TfW network flows are enabled for eTicket fulfilment of website/app bookings. For that reason alone TfL's view is no less correct regardless of physical barcoded-ticket (PRT) rollout or the issue of specific tickets that are only available to buy in person.

[N.B. Bookings for paper ticket collection are only fulfillable to CCST]
 

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This will be an interesting challenge for the new LUL ticket system contractor and will bring home the complications of handover of Design info from the previous contractor (who did a lot of work/investment under the PFI/PPP arrangement)
 

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I wonder if the yellow pads will be ever be replaced with screens like in other cities?

Isn't Tfl planning to replace the aging system that is used on buses with a smaller modular unit?
 

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I wonder if the yellow pads will be ever be replaced with screens like in other cities?

Isn't Tfl planning to replace the aging system that is used on buses with a smaller modular unit?
London buses can currently read travel cards on ITSO Smartcards issued by TOCs but not English concessionary cards (also ITSO) issued by non-London authorities.
I wonder if the intention is to sort out the latter problem?
 

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Where issuing barcode paper tickets is concerned, I imagine it's easily doable with the Cubic 'Electra' TVMs but I'm wondering how they'd reconfigure the POMs (i.e. LU equivalent of TVMs) to do it. Haven't they more or less kept the same ticket printing set up since 1987?

I wonder if the yellow pads will be ever be replaced with screens like in other cities?
Yellow pads will be staying for the foreseeable. Once the Hina scheme gets going Proteus-compatible card readers will be replacing existing readers across the bus fleet, followed by the rail estate.

Isn't Tfl planning to replace the aging system that is used on buses with a smaller modular unit?
In addition to the new readers there's the iBus2 rollout which should commence very soon, plus a connected scheme (Cobalt) to decouple existing readers from the Wayfarer TG150s and connect their Hina replacements to iBus2. The TG150s will be replaced by INIT consoles (TOUCHmdt or a similar product).

London buses can currently read travel cards on ITSO Smartcards issued by TOCs but not English concessionary cards (also ITSO) issued by non-London authorities.
I wonder if the intention is to sort out the latter problem?
One hopes so. According to Goldfish62 a few years ago:
It was attempted a few years ago. All the readers had software updates. It went live but was withdrawn a few days later. Not heard anything since about it being fixed.
 

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Almost every journey in the UK can now be made using a "barcode" ticket
There's still a rather large number of missing flows for no good reason other than the way the availability of eTickets is managed is trash
 

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Just a reminder to keep this related to TfL where possible please as it’s in this section.

Thanks
 

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E-Travelcards are really overdue. Most European cities have had this option for almost a decade now via mobile tickets or an app. Not that I'd want another single-purpose app - in that aspect, TfL's ticketing is much friendlier to those who don't travel regularly enough in London to need an oyster card, unlike Paris where it's the only option. So barcode tickets which you can just use with Google Wallet or some equivalent would be greatly useful and much more tourist-friendly. Will be keenly keeping track of this plan.
 

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If this happens then this will likely mean the end of CCST stock across the country. They have only been kept at most TOCs because TFL do not accept CCST for Travelcard tickets and Cross London tickets. That will dissapointing if CCST dissapears. Having to use PRT paper roll ticket all day for a Travelcard will be very annoying. They get all crumpled up in your pocket easily and then the barcode is hard to scan. So i have mixed feelings about whether TFL barriers accepting barcodes is a good thing.
 

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A little note where buses are concerned:

At this time, installation of barcode acceptance equipment and retailing of barcode tickets for buses in London is not in scope.

The way I see it Travelcard barcodes remain off the menu. Sure, magstripe Travelcards are visually inspected by bus drivers and have always been but that doesn't necessarily mean TfL will adopt the same approach for eTickets.

There's no mention of the DLR or trams either, unintended or otherwise.
 

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It says in the article that passengers holding e-tickets or PRT tickets who need to pass through ticket gates not equipped with barcode scanners currently have to be let through the barrier manually. But are there any journeys involving cross-London travel by TfL services for which e-tickets have been enabled? AFAIK for most such journeys e-tickets haven't been enabled yet because of a lack of barcode scanners at TfL stations.

I suppose there might be passengers making such journeys with PRT tickets issued at ticket offices that only issue PRT tickets, though.
 

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It says in the article that passengers holding e-tickets or PRT tickets who need to pass through ticket gates not equipped with barcode scanners currently have to be let through the barrier manually. But are there any journeys involving cross-London travel by TfL services for which e-tickets have been enabled? AFAIK for most such journeys e-tickets haven't been enabled yet because of a lack of barcode scanners at TfL stations.

There are tickets that will be issued as e-ticket if the itinerary planned uses Thameslink but that are also valid for a Tube transfer, yes.

You can also buy e-tickets to/from London Thameslink and enter/exit at Farringdon which has no scanners on any gateline (unless I missed where they are, but I couldn't see any on either the Liz side or the Tube/Thameslink side). I had one quite recently.
 

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If this happens then this will likely mean the end of CCST stock across the country. They have only been kept at most TOCs because TFL do not accept CCST for Travelcard tickets and Cross London tickets. That will disapointing if CCST disapears. Having to use PRT paper roll ticket all day for a Travelcard will be very annoying. They get all crumpled up in your pocket easily and then the barcode is hard to scan. So i have mixed feelings about whether TFL barriers accepting barcodes is a good thing.
I presume you mean CCSTs have only been kept at most TOCs because TfL does not accept PRT for Travelcards and cross-London tickets.
 

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TfLs traditional reason for pushing back on this was that they believed barcode tickets will slow down the gate lines. I'm guessing they are confident 95%+ are going to be using contactless. I wonder if they'll keep the "paper ticket" penalty but for barcodes tickets
 

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I presume you mean CCSTs have only been kept at most TOCs because TfL does not accept PRT for Travelcards and cross-London tickets.
Yes sorry. That is a typo. That is indeed what i meant to say. CCST tickets have only been kept on the National Rail network because TFL refuse to accept barcoded tickets for Travelcard tickets and Cross London tickets.

TfLs traditional reason for pushing back on this was that they believed barcode tickets will slow down the gate lines. I'm guessing they are confident 95%+ are going to be using contactless. I wonder if they'll keep the "paper ticket" penalty but for barcodes tickets
I agree 100% with TFL on that. There has been a noticeable slowdown of the crowds at gatelines on the National Rail network since the loo roll PRT tickets and E tickets and M tickets were introduced. CCST is so quick to just take out your pocket and put through the slot. But scanning the barcodes is so slow. People take ages to find the barcode on their phone and then take ages to scan the barcode. You have to move your PRT ticket or phone around so much to find the right position for the barcode to register. If your ticket is creased then it is even harder to scan. The introduction of the loo roll PRT tickets and E tickets and M tickets has massively slowed down crowds at gatelines.
 

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Has been an award notice published 14th May


Part of it refers to Hina rail readers, is this the name of what is being added

During the life of the Proteus Contract, we anticipate that there will be a number of changes, the key planned changes expected to be delivered during the Proteus Contract term include:
• Hina Rail Reader Rollout: The Hina Rail Readers will be manufactured, tested and be readily available for the Proteus Contractor to implement onto the rail estate;
• Payment Account Reference (PAR): This is a unique identifier associated with a specific cardholder PAN and this change will follow-on from the Hina reader deployment and will involve the Proteus Contractor. This change will allow us to link mobile devices with the payment card, allowing the interchangeable use of payment devices;
• Account Based Ticketing / FTP5:
 

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