consettman
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Dropping down from the 156 onto Whitehaven's P1 the other week - am I the only one who's had a little vision of Spencer Tracy climbing down from the streamliner in Bad Day at Black Rock?
Dropping down from the 156 onto Whitehaven's P1 the other week - am I the only one who's had a little vision of Spencer Tracy climbing down from the streamliner in Bad Day at Black Rock?
It won't close permanently, but its not re-opening soon.I'm still suspecting this may remain closed for the long term.
Do we have any more information on what the problem is and what is the chosen solution for implementation. I am considering an FOI.
I'm fairly sure nothing has changed yet? The actual works have yet to start.Any update on how the works are going?
It isn't going to close.My interpretation of the delays is that NR are trying to force government to make this decision.
Unfortunately, that doesn't imply it could open in August, only that it won't open before then. Until recently I would have said there were a chance it may open at the December timetable change. Probably not now.That would imply reopening is expected in August, rather than sooner?
Oh yes, I quite agree. But given the last estimate I heard announced publicly was "spring", the fact the timetable won't change until at least August is itself a shift in messaging.Unfortunately, that doesn't imply it could open in August, only that it won't open before then. Until recently I would have said there were a chance it may open at the December timetable change. Probably not now.
Indeed. No work has been carried out, all the tunnel lighting removed too.I'm fairly sure nothing has changed yet? The actual works have yet to start.
Wouldn't it be a good idea for Northern to publish a walking route between the two stations for those who don't want to wait up to two hours for a bus? Given the number of large backpacks going into the luggage space over the summer last year, there are plenty of would-be coast-to-coast walkers heading towards St Bees from Carlisle rather than Lancaster and BarrowI did read somewhere on Facebook that the coach drivers have told passengers that the coach companies have been told to be ready until the summer with providing coaches between Corkickle and Whitehaven. I know this is probably 4th hand information but it would seem like that might be the case.
Wouldn't it be a good idea for Northern to publish a walking route between the two stations for those who don't want to wait up to two hours for a bus?
Through the rumour mill, I've heard estimates of £30-50M. It wouldn't surprise me if this exceeded those figures significantly - if we ignore social value then it really doesn't look like good value for money on a line that already loses money.
I think we also need to consider long term longevity, sections of the Cumbrian coast line are highlighted red in the projected 2050 flooding maps, it's fairly likely that the line will see partial closure in the next 30 years - a small amount of sea level rise will make the section between sellafield and nethertown unmaintainable without significant works (talking 100s millions) - someone's got to stick their neck out and some point and admit this line is unfortunately becoming unfeasible. My interpretation of the delays is that NR are trying to force government to make this decision.
How much remains of the old trackbed between Sellafield & Whitehaven via Moor Row ??Historic mine workings around the tunnel - appears something changed about 5 years ago causing flooding in the tunnel and the discoloured harbour water.
There are likely few options here - voids associated with mining will need suitably filling to a certain distance from the tunnel and the water will need to be very carefully considered as removing the route through the tunnel may mean it appears elsewhere.
Lots of old mines are not mapped, I imagine these aren't given the uncertainty - so the designers likely don't fully know what they're dealing with and any intervention might be a see how it goes approach with on site redesign teams. This likely means the cost is an unknown which will make approval of any intervention quite difficult.
Add into that the difficult working space, potential for gas to build up, potential for works to cause rapid uncontrolled flooding of the tunnel etc etc etc increases the risk somewhat.
Through the rumour mill, I've heard estimates of £30-50M. It wouldn't surprise me if this exceeded those figures significantly - if we ignore social value then it really doesn't look like good value for money on a line that already loses money.
I think we also need to consider long term longevity, sections of the Cumbrian coast line are highlighted red in the projected 2050 flooding maps, it's fairly likely that the line will see partial closure in the next 30 years - a small amount of sea level rise will make the section between sellafield and nethertown unmaintainable without significant works (talking 100s millions) - someone's got to stick their neck out and some point and admit this line is unfortunately becoming unfeasible. My interpretation of the delays is that NR are trying to force government to make this decision.
I believe there are actually two issues to address.Unfortunately, that doesn't imply it could open in August, only that it won't open before then. Until recently I would have said there were a chance it may open at the December timetable change. Probably not now.
Wouldn't it be a good idea for Northern to publish a walking route between the two stations for those who don't want to wait up to two hours for a bus? Given the number of large backpacks going into the luggage space over the summer last year, there are plenty of would-be coast-to-coast walkers heading towards St Bees from Carlisle rather than Lancaster and Barrow

both are almost irrelevant or a long way down the line, as the real problem is old un-mapped coal workings close under the tunnel floor. The discovery of these put a hasty stop to the exploratory work to investigate ways to deal with the water/mine drainage.I believe there are actually two issues to address.
1. Either stop the water leaking into the tunnel and/or improve the drainage in the tunnel itself to take away any water that does get into the tunnel.
2. Deal with the iron ochre issue.
The colour of the water in Whitehaven Marina suggests a widespread problem with the iron ochre.21 or 22 minutes, approx one mile [note to Corkickle is uphill] according to g00gle maps.
Personally, I'ld follow the light blue route - better pavements.
The bus stops are outside The Bransty Arch, as getting buses / coaches into & turned in the station forecourt is not really possible if anything else is in there.
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Every bus leaves from the station car park.21 or 22 minutes, approx one mile [note to Corkickle is uphill] according to g00gle maps.
Personally, I'ld follow the light blue route - better pavements.
The bus stops are outside The Bransty Arch, as getting buses / coaches into & turned in the station forecourt is not really possible if anything else is in there.
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The bus stops are outside The Bransty Arch, as getting buses / coaches into & turned in the station forecourt is not really possible if anything else is in there.
Much of the tracked is still there with breaches at the Egremont bypass, a bridge is missing over the road to Cleator after Egremont cemetery, Woodside station is in private hands and just across the road from this is an industrial business. Heading further along the tracked, another bridge has been replaced by a lightweight one. It’s been a while but I used to ride horses along much of the route.How much remains of the old trackbed between Sellafield & Whitehaven via Moor Row ??
I'm a fan of old movies and I re-watched the Blu-ray of that film a few weeks ago. I suspect a few older people here know who Spencer Tracy was!Dropping down from the 156 onto Whitehaven's P1 the other week - am I the only one who's had a little vision of Spencer Tracy climbing down from the streamliner in Bad Day at Black Rock?
Thing is that a lot of that money would probably have to be spent anyway, whether a live railway goes back through the tunnel or not.Add into that the difficult working space, potential for gas to build up, potential for works to cause rapid uncontrolled flooding of the tunnel etc etc etc increases the risk s
Through the rumour mill, I've heard estimates of £30-50M. It wouldn't surprise me if this exceeded those figures significantly - if we ignore social value then it really doesn't look like good value for money on a line that already loses money.
Thing is that a lot of that money would probably have to be spent anyway, whether a live railway goes back through the tunnel or not.
In 5 years time we must hope this difficulty is all but forgotten history. If it's not I imagine some will be saying it might have been better to build a totally new tunnel and/or alignments from the outset.Thing is that a lot of that money would probably have to be spent anyway, whether a live railway goes back through the tunnel or not.
Maps show that line joining the still extant line just south of the tunnel, so it wouldn't help anyway.How much remains of the old trackbed between Sellafield & Whitehaven via Moor Row ??
The Dawlish sea wall comparison is ironic really, given that the Cumbrian Coast line is the longest coastal railway line in England, whereas Dawlish is just a few miles of coast.In 5 years time we must hope this difficulty is all but forgotten history. If it's not I imagine some will be saying it might have been better to build a totally new tunnel and/or alignments from the outset.
Quicker and cheaper for a long term better solution? But we're in make do and mend mode. Improvements are a different matter and Whitehaven in West Cumbria is very much out of sight from the corridors of power. Very low priority and without the visual appeal of the sea wall at Dawlish.