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Emergency Door Release - Break Glass. How easy is it?

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Having never had cause to break glass to get to a pull lever, I wondered how difficult it actually is to break?

I assume it's not incredibly difficult, but let's say somebody had arthritis or very little hand/arm/shoulder strength, would they still be able to open them?

Let's say on an Inter7City for example?
 
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They break with a hard press. I don't know about Intercity but I'd personally use my elbow or a solid object as the glass can splinter on the units I work on.
 

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The units I have dealt with have scored lines to assist cracking in a controlled manner. Done it a few times with my fingers with no ill effects. It needs little more than a firm push

Having said that, a shoe, keys or anything similar would probably be prudent to use if easily accessible.
 

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Back in the day when I was involved in the commissioning of 159/165/166/465/466s the "glass" was a material called sugar glass - used to make breakable props for the film industry such as bottles as in a bottle to be smashed over someone's head. It broke into blunt crumbs for want of a better description not sharp fragments and would easily break with a firm push. It was supplied for rail usage by a facility at Shepperton which was set up to supply the film industry. Whether it is still used, or if actual glass is now used universally I don't know, although from the comment in post 3 above it obviously is in some if not all instances.
 

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Having never had cause to break glass to get to a pull lever, I wondered how difficult it actually is to break?

Very easy to break I would say judging by the number of 197`s returning to the depot with the break glass panel broken, its plastic really but `i`m not splitting hairs.
 

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I nearly broke my wrist many years ago trying to break the external glass on a MK2 coach to release the CDL to tackle a fire on a ECS.

That was using my heavy Bardic Lamp. The Fireman's axe did it though !
 

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The clientele south of the river certainly had no trouble breaking the egress covers on the 700s. These covers have slowly been replaced by a big red sticker.
 

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I think it is unlikely it has been glass for many, many years and will be some form of plastic chosen specifically to break easily and safely. In the same way that "sugar glass" as used in film and theatre is no longer made of sugar and hasn't been for years, the phrase "break glass" will be historical and no longer strictly accurate.
 

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I think it is unlikely it has been glass for many, many years and will be some form of plastic chosen specifically to break easily and safely. In the same way that "sugar glass" as used in film and theatre is no longer made of sugar and hasn't been for years, the phrase "break glass" will be historical and no longer strictly accurate.
I was going to suggest, 'Break Cover', but then we'd have to add bins for all the discarded fake mustaches.
 

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The clientele south of the river certainly had no trouble breaking the egress covers on the 700s. These covers have slowly been replaced by a big red sticker.

I have used both the alarm and the egress on a 700 (when a driver wandered off at the terminus leaving me locked on the train), the alarm had glass or plastic of some sort but it easily broke under my finger push, while I can't remember what the egress had, possibly nothing. The 730s have nothing, you could just pull it, it's a bit surprising as that means there's little deterrent to naughty fingers.
 

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I have used both the alarm and the egress on a 700 (when a driver wandered off at the terminus leaving me locked on the train), the alarm had glass or plastic of some sort but it easily broke under my finger push, while I can't remember what the egress had, possibly nothing. The 730s have nothing, you could just pull it, it's a bit surprising as that means there's little deterrent to naughty fingers.
The new TfW train I was on a few weeks ago had a button instead of a pull down level. The guy stood next to me set it off by leaning on it shortly after I got on, and one of his mates laughed and said, "You've done it again Paul!"

Not a great design.
 

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The new TfW train I was on a few weeks ago had a button instead of a pull down level. The guy stood next to me set it off by leaning on it shortly after I got on, and one of his mates laughed and said, "You've done it again Paul!"

Not a great design.

I can't remember about the 197s, but some UK CAFs have, following the standard European model, separate emergency call and emergency brakes. The former alerts a member of staff but doesn't cause a braking demand (basically the same as the toilet call for aid button), the latter does cause a braking demand. The former is typically a standard door style button with a bell embossed on it for blind people and the latter a handle or break glass.

Obviously using the former by accident is low consequence, just mild annoyance for the guard, because it doesn't delay the train and doesn't require physical resetting - it is in essence just a telephone, more like a station help point.

While it does mean someone has to make a decision of which to use in an emergency, this (which is standard across much of Europe) does have something going for it, in that if the emergency is medical, for instance, the train will reach a place an ambulance can get to more quickly as it won't waste time stopping in the middle of nowhere while it is reset, whereas if there's something physically wrong with the train e.g. a derailed bogie or open door you can use the emergency brake because stopping is a priority.

It also means there's less imperative not to use the call for aid button if for instance the guard is hiding in the back cab and e.g. a lone female or child is in a staffless second unit and is panicking about having missed her stop and doesn't know what to do. It would clearly be misuse to pull the passcom and stop the train for that, but using a call for aid button for it doesn't feel inappropriate to me.

Whether this is the European standard because of retrofitting passcoms to stock that only had an actual emergency brake tied into dumping the brake line or whether it's because of deliberate design decisions noting the above advantages I don't know, but it seems a very good setup to me.
 
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I can't remember about the 197s, but some UK CAFs have, following the standard European model, separate emergency call and emergency brakes. The former alerts a member of staff but doesn't cause a braking demand (basically the same as the toilet call for aid button), the latter does cause a braking demand. The former is typically a standard door style button with a bell embossed on it for blind people and the latter a handle or break glass.

Obviously using the former by accident is low consequence, just mild annoyance for the guard, because it doesn't delay the train and doesn't require physical resetting - it is in essence just a telephone, more like a station help point.

While it does mean someone has to make a decision of which to use in an emergency, this (which is standard across much of Europe) does have something going for it, in that if the emergency is medical, for instance, the train will reach a place an ambulance can get to more quickly as it won't waste time stopping in the middle of nowhere while it is reset, whereas if there's something physically wrong with the train e.g. a derailed bogie or open door you can use the emergency brake because stopping is a priority.

It also means there's less imperative not to use the call for aid button if for instance the guard is hiding in the back cab and e.g. a lone female or child is in a staffless second unit and is panicking about having missed her stop and doesn't know what to do. It would clearly be misuse to pull the passcom and stop the train for that, but using a call for aid button for it doesn't feel inappropriate to me.

Whether this is the European standard because of retrofitting passcoms to stock that only had an actual emergency brake tied into dumping the brake line or whether it's because of deliberate design decisions noting the above advantages I don't know, but it seems a very good setup to me.

I can kind of see that argument but I still don't think they should be so easy to accidentally press.

A slightly inset button would surely remove the psychological barrier of pulling a level, while also making them difficult to accidentally set off.

Some of those north coast services get exceptionally busy during the summer, so be interesting to see if it becomes a more common issue.
 

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I can kind of see that argument but I still don't think they should be so easy to accidentally press.

A slightly inset button would surely remove the psychological barrier of pulling a level, while also making them difficult to accidentally set off.

Some of those north coast services get exceptionally busy during the summer, so be interesting to see if it becomes a more common issue.

I note that the toilet call for aid button in the small toilet on the 730/2s (which is annoyingly mounted on the back wall of the toilet where it's easy to clout it with a rucksack) has gained a cover you need to lift before pressing it. Clearly there were too many cases of these being knocked by accident.
 
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