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Interesting comparison between Stockport and Manchester, but it neglects very important factors:

1. Stockport is only 10 minutes from Manchester Piccadilly
2. Stockport has 3 direct trains to London per hour taking less than 2 hours
3. Stockport has 2 direct trains to Birmingham per hour
4. Stockport has 2 direct trains to Sheffield per hour
5. Stockport is within short distance of Manchester Airport with its global network of flights.

Essentially, you are talking about a really well-connected area that can support housing density and offer residents an easy commute to major centres. Stockport further provides businesses moving into the area with all that connectivity too.

With the greatest of respect to Bradford, it has none of the things that Stockport does. Even the nearest city and airport to Bradford are not Manchester levels (Leeds as a city is doing well, but I doubt anyone is going to claim Leeds and Manchester are comparable).
 
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Instead, focus the budget on places like Halifax where the money could buy a lot more

Yes can we please fund a 3rd platform for Halifax!

I don't think anyone will argue over it's proposed location (although some may argue if it should be a through platform or a central turnback) but that is neither here nor there.

To free up platform space at Bradford how about terminating GC at Halifax, obviously after it has ventured back from Bradford. That way we free up platform capacity without having to spend millions on a new platform which may later get demolished anyway if this new station goes ahead!
 

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Yes can we please fund a 3rd platform for Halifax!

I don't think anyone will argue over it's proposed location (although some may argue if it should be a through platform or a central turnback) but that is neither here nor there.

To free up platform space at Bradford how about terminating GC at Halifax, obviously after it has ventured back from Bradford. That way we free up platform capacity without having to spend millions on a new platform which may later get demolished anyway if this new station goes ahead!
Completely agree with Halifax, having commuted from Manchester to Bradford in the past I know what an opportunity would be there.

I would go for Bradford-bound trains on 0, Manchester on 2 then keep 1 as a bi-directional through platform with the standard use being turning trains from Bradford back towards Bradford.
 

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Yes can we please fund a 3rd platform for Halifax!

I don't think anyone will argue over it's proposed location (although some may argue if it should be a through platform or a central turnback) but that is neither here nor there.

To free up platform space at Bradford how about terminating GC at Halifax, obviously after it has ventured back from Bradford. That way we free up platform capacity without having to spend millions on a new platform which may later get demolished anyway if this new station goes ahead!
To be honest I wouldn't be against a 3rd platform for the CleckHuddersFax Gateway station... ;)

But seriously if it helped improve times through Halifax along the Calder Valley, then why not.
 

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To be honest I wouldn't be against a 3rd platform for the CleckHuddersFax Gateway station... ;)

But seriously if it helped improve times through Halifax along the Calder Valley, then why not.
Another advantage of having 1 as a bi-directional through platform is that there may be occasions where a train which is fast from Halifax to Bradford can overtake one which is stopping at Low Moor. Alternatively, the fast Westbound can overtake a stopper if the stopper has left Interchange first.

Those overtaking opportunities do depend on whether there is a terminating train occupying 1 though.
 

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You've already answered this upthread, Bradford has more passengers and all will be made to travel further to get their trains.
Why all? If you're coming from the south/east then clearly its a shorter distance/journey time.

But your not planning anything but moving the station, with the claim that will increase capacity. But the lines either side are still exactly the same, with exactly the same capacity constraints. So what you're proposing is spending 9, or even 10 figure sums to increase travel times between Leeds and Halifax. Is that a sane use of such amounts of money. Answers on a postcard to HM Treasury....

I've said before that if the station waits until there is capacity, there's a real chance that Interchange will just be left to rot because there's little point spending money on a station that has capacity constraints that aren't easily solvable.
I'll say it again. If HS2 can't be funded to the North of England, NPR as was, i.e. a high speed new alignment is a pipe dream. The pledged amount, £43bn if I recall correctly is not for any single route but an overall budget.

But here's the catch. Until contracts are signed, boots are on the grounds and holes being dug, nothing is nailed on. And I refer you back to HS2 b/c. They were all but funded, and even proposed routes on the table. I know because HS2b was going to be passing within a few miles from where I now live, and bot did it cause a stink! And yet even at that advanced stage, the project still got canned. Methinks you put too much faith into the government. I've worked in the public sector for almost 39 years, under various guises, and I promise you that you don't believe them until the job is done!
It could be cancelled but in my line of work we have to assume the government will do what they say and work towards their policy plan.
That's true, I'd forgotten about that. However the logisitcs will still be a nightmare, the Shipley Airedale Road is one of the busiest in the region. Stick bus gates in there for a hub and you'll cause massive traffic issues, which in turn will disrupt buses themselves.
I've looked into the buses more and there's ~40 bus services per hour (combined both directions) already stopping at stops next to the market. Thats pretty accessible, you wouldn't even necessarily have to move the stops.
At this point I'm starting to see there's no getting through to you. You're laser focused on the new station regardless. Bradford isn't Stockport, it's passengers aren't crows, you're comparing apples and pears. Oh and Forster Square has no services down the Calder Valley, so people will still have to walk further. Unless of course people in Bradford will travel only to places served by their closest station, something I'm sure won't happen.
There's not likely to be significant willingness to walk further in Stockport than Bradford, that's the point. I could list loads of other cities with stations further way than what is being proposed in Bradford. It really will make very little difference to usage.

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Interesting comparison between Stockport and Manchester, but it neglects very important factors:

1. Stockport is only 10 minutes from Manchester Piccadilly
2. Stockport has 3 direct trains to London per hour taking less than 2 hours
3. Stockport has 2 direct trains to Birmingham per hour
4. Stockport has 2 direct trains to Sheffield per hour
5. Stockport is within short distance of Manchester Airport with its global network of flights.

Essentially, you are talking about a really well-connected area that can support housing density and offer residents an easy commute to major centres. Stockport further provides businesses moving into the area with all that connectivity too.

With the greatest of respect to Bradford, it has none of the things that Stockport does. Even the nearest city and airport to Bradford are not Manchester levels (Leeds as a city is doing well, but I doubt anyone is going to claim Leeds and Manchester are comparable).
That's partly my point that station frequency and destination choice is far more important to developing centres than the area station. At interchange its pretty certain that you're stuck with a relatively poor station, a new station potentially enables a far better service to more destinations.

I agree that Stockport is better located but Leeds is developing quickly so in a decade, Bradford will be in a similar position to Stockport now. Bradford is also far more of destination and employment hub in itself than Stockport is currently, so can likely support high density housing.

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To free up platform space at Bradford how about terminating GC at Halifax, obviously after it has ventured back from Bradford. That way we free up platform capacity without having to spend millions on a new platform which may later get demolished anyway if this new station goes ahead.
I don't think platform space is the issue. Its more the complicated, conflicting movements that a non grade-seperated reverse creates. I don't think adding more movements like that will help. I do agree with Halifax 3rd platform though. Definitely something that should be developed in the coming years.
 
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I don't think platform space is the issue. Its more the complicated, conflicting movements that a non grade-seperated reverse creates. I don't think adding more movements like that will help.
So, instead of grade separation (which is 'impossible'), it's going gangbusters for building a new tunnel and station. I wonder which is cheaper. There are a few places to explore - mostly derelict or yard/workshops.. such as going under where the old Queensbury line went under, perhaps also there's some reusing either the east or west end of the Hammerton St curve.

It just seems all the effort of what could be done has gone into the shiny NPR station - rather than considering other options - in spite of NPR going away now for decades (read: ever).
 

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So, instead of grade separation (which is 'impossible'), it's going gangbusters for building a new tunnel and station. I wonder which is cheaper. There are a few places to explore - mostly derelict or yard/workshops.. such as going under where the old Queensbury line went under, perhaps also there's some reusing either the east or west end of the Hammerton St curve.

It just seems all the effort of what could be done has gone into the shiny NPR station - rather than considering other options - in spite of NPR going away now for decades (read: ever).
I agree it'd be interesting to see if interchange could be made to work for an increase in services. My gut feeling is that once costs and benefits have been considered, a through station is going to come out better but I'm one man who's very aware there's a lot he doesn't have expertise in.

I think there's an element of vanity and want a shiny station from the council but I also think it's easier to attract investment around a new station given there'll be so much more publicity than grade separating Interchange. Take HS2 for example, the amount of publicity it gets makes it one big investment advertisement.
 

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They more I think about it, I'm coming round to the opinion that we don't solve Bradford. Not in infrastructure terms anyhow. Just stick an extra carriage on Calder Valley trains and leave thev city untouched

The longer these threads go on, the further out this "Gateway" station appears to be getting (I'm sure it was 300m further, then 350m, now I'm seeing multiple people claim it's 1km... By Tuesday it'll be seeing posts complain that the location is five miles away... )

Interchange already has sufficient platforms to cope with one platform for the Calder Valley, one for Leeds, one for the terminating Huddersfield and Kings Cross services to layover - which is big enough for them to share on the rare times they are both there at the same time - plus one spare.

It's just cost thirty five million of public money to put one more platform in at Foster Square, so if that's the going rate then it seems completely uneconomical to build an extra platform at Interchange when there's already one spare

Instead, focus the budget on places like Halifax where the money could buy a lot more

(And maybe some on the healthcare budget - despite the young average age of the locals, their fitness must be poor since I kept reading that it would take an extra ten minutes for average passengers to walk the additional 350m to a proposed Gateway station)

In a couple of years, once GBR are running everything, and TPE gets yet another new fleet of trains, there won't be the Leeds-Manchester passengers using up seats on Calder Valley services, since there'll be more capacity on the Huddersfield route and GBR won't have the incentive to offer cheap fares on the Todmorden route that Northern currently do - that should free up a bit of capacity through Bradford

That would allow the existing services to simplify their stopping patterns (e.g. a station like Bramley/ Low Moor seems pointless with half hourly gaps, it needs everything stopping there to be competitive), turn the line into a local train for local passengers

If the plan to wire from Leeds to Interchange does go ahead then the bimode trains would hopefully be able to accelerate away better, saving some of the tedium as a Sprinter tries to get up the hill from a standing start

In other words, whilst there are clearly problems, it seems to expensive to "fix" Bradford, the benefits don't seem to warrant the costs

Where is this spare platform at the Interchange?

Why isn't it used when trains are waiting outside the station for platform space to become available?

The answer is that there isn't a spare platform and space is constrained when you have two terminating services (sometimes three if the Hull - Halifax is cut short) in such a short space of time.

I agree with the poster who suggested better use of the available space.

Dump the London, Huddersfield and Halifax’s over on three and four which then allows stacking trains on platforms one and two which did used to happen but has stopped for some reason?

Maybe it’s been deemed not safe to do so after the 158 Halifax to Hull went close to touching the stationary 150 to Huddersfield in the summer on platform one.
 

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I agree that Stockport is better located but Leeds is developing quickly so in a decade, Bradford will be in a similar position to Stockport now. Bradford is also far more of destination and employment hub in itself than Stockport is currently, so can likely support high density housing.
Bradford is not to Leeds what Stockport is to Manchester. Wakefield is. Bradford is more like Oldham or Rochdale, but bigger.
 

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Why all? If you're coming from the south/east then clearly its a shorter distance/journey time.
Ok sorry, most.

I've said before that if the station waits until there is capacity, there's a real chance that Interchange will just be left to rot because there's little point spending money on a station that has capacity constraints that aren't easily solvable.
I'm sorry but you keep dancing around this issue. How are you going to increase capacity down the Calder Valley by building a station at St James? Save a short realignment, it will be the same line, same speeds, same restrictions, same service patterns, all the way from Leeds to Manchester.

It could be cancelled but in my line of work we have to assume the government will do what they say and work towards their policy plan.
<cough> HS2 <splutter>


I've looked into the buses more and there's ~40 bus services per hour (combined both directions) already stopping at stops next to the market. Thats pretty accessible, you wouldn't even necessarily have to move the stops.
Have you looked at the range of buses though? Quite a lot of those services start at the Interchange / City Centre, and those that cross the city only serve relatively narrow corridors. So for most it would involve a change of bus rather than a 2 minute walk to the station. And again there's that busy road, which you'd have to cross to get city centre and beyond bound services. Damn that road eh? Keeps acting like, oh I don't know, a major barrier?

There's not likely to be significant willingness to walk further in Stockport than Bradford, that's the point. I could list loads of other cities with stations further way than what is being proposed in Bradford. It really will make very little difference to usage.
What's the obsession with Stockport? As I've repeatedly said, the area proposed is not in a good area. Don't take my word for it, organise an office trip there. It is light industrial, and pretty run down with a very busy road passing along it's Western edge. I worked in the area over a decade ago, and I for one wouldn't be walking in from the east or the south, especially at night. And I don't spook easily. Even from the centre it's up quite a steep incline, past what would be the old station, and over said busy road and then a bit more of a climb. It is how the locals would describe as being grim. Certainly nothing to improve things for most punters, it would be a major downgrade.

As things stand your offering is build the new station, and hope the area suddenly springs into life with new developments. But what if they don't? What if all that happens is the station gets built next the fat rendering unit, and becomes an even worse advert for the city? Does your company have any renders for that scenario, with what can be rather noxious smells drifting down your shiny new platforms? I'm going to guess not. It's bad enough for the city when the wind blows in from the east and across the centre. But sending people up there every day, a great way to attract growth....

Again. Bradford Gateway is a hangover from the long dead high speed line that was NPR. Bradford Councillors have clung onto the concept through pure vanity, they must have their shiny new station no matter what. Even if it does end up being labelled "Britain's smelliest railway station". That's because they can't see beyond the end of their noses, and haven't even given a second thought about the cost. But the cost is what will kill it stone dead. People in Bradford couldn't give a stuff about a new station, just do up the stations that are there, add facilities, better connectivity with existing transport etc etc. Then spend the rest of the money on actually making improvements, that's what most will tell you.

And don't worry, once Gateway is put onto the dusty shelves next to West Yorkshire trams to be forgotten, there'll be other lofty aspirations from other councils despite to show off lovely renders of how things might look, before realising they can't afford them. Your industry is in no danger any time soon. You'll get to play with designs for decades to come.

That's partly my point that station frequency and destination choice is far more important to developing centres than the area station. At interchange its pretty certain that you're stuck with a relatively poor station, a new station potentially enables a far better service to more destinations.
A new station, on the same line, but only through rather than requiring reversals. How does that improve frequency and destinations? As above, if there's no other improvements along the line, there is no scope for more services.
 

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Bradford is not to Leeds what Stockport is to Manchester. Wakefield is. Bradford is more like Oldham or Rochdale, but bigger.
I was more talking about the geographical relationship between the station and town centre which would be very similar to a proposed new Bradford site. Stockport isn't quite as deprived as Bradford but 10-15 years ago it was a pretty grim town centre. Its certainly reinveted itself because of its proximity to Manchester City Centre. Bradford can stand more on its own two feet than Stockport can but part of its unique selling poi t is a very quick journey time to Leeds railway station/city centre.
 

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I was more talking about the geographical relationship between the station and town centre which would be very similar to a proposed new Bradford site. Stockport isn't quite as deprived as Bradford but 10-15 years ago it was a pretty grim town centre. Its certainly reinveted itself because of its proximity to Manchester City Centre. Bradford can stand more on its own two feet than Stockport can but part of its unique selling poi t is a very quick journey time to Leeds railway station/city centre.
Stockport supports itself because it is now a very attractive place to live and invest. Proximity to Manchester is a big bonus. However, as I also highlighted, there are many factors that Stockport has but Bradford does not (even if you could cut Bradford to Leeds down to 10 minutes).

The analogy with Oldham and Rochdale is much better and I am not sure you would describe their centres as "thriving". Rochdale even has a tram from the station to the centre.
 

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Ok sorry, most
You don't know that. I don't know that. We simply don't have access to where people are coming from.
I'm sorry but you keep dancing around this issue. How are you going to increase capacity down the Calder Valley by building a station at St James? Save a short realignment, it will be the same line, same speeds, same restrictions, same service patterns, all the way from Leeds to Manchester.
1) Improve Manchester and Leeds capacity
2) Have better accelerating battery units would reduce speed differential between fast and slow services.
3) I'd still look at building a line to Huddersfield

Step 1 is going to take a while, particularly Manchester. I think there's two solutions. A station at Bradford that provides that capacity for more services over the coming decades.
Have you looked at the range of buses though? Quite a lot of those services start at the Interchange / City Centre, and those that cross the city only serve relatively narrow corridors. So for most it would involve a change of bus rather than a 2 minute walk to the station. And again there's that busy road, which you'd have to cross to get city centre and beyond bound services. Damn that road eh? Keeps acting like, oh I don't know, a major barrier?
Bus routes can change. I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand that a station won't just put there without the associated improvements to access routes and urban realm. Again Derby has a similar 6 lane road dividing the station from its city. They've provided improved crossings to improve the access to the station. Active Travel England has a whole list of requirements to make walking/cycling routes comfortable that Bradford council have followed with its Town centre development.

Just for avoidance of doubt, I don't work for a company involved with these proposals. My personal opinion is that it could work if affordable and that some of the opposition on here is vastly overstating the barriers and issues. That's human nature with change though.

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Stockport supports itself because it is now a very attractive place to live and invest. Proximity to Manchester is a big bonus. However, as I also highlighted, there are many factors that Stockport has but Bradford does not (even if you could cut Bradford to Leeds down to 10 minutes).

The analogy with Oldham and Rochdale is much better and I am not sure you would describe their centres as "thriving". Rochdale even has a tram from the station to the centre.
So you don't agree that Stockport was pretty run down and not a pleasant place to live 10-15 years ago? All places are different but clearly public investment has helped transform Stockport. There's definitely some parallels to be drawn to Bradford and definitely in terms of transport infrastructure in station location in relation to the centre, its far more like Stockport than Rochdale and Oldham.
 
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3) I'd still look at building a line to Huddersfield

A new line between Huddersfield would have far greater impact than this proposed new station!

Obviously things for buses may change a lot when the Interchange is moved. If it is moved to the rumored site that used to be occupied by Royal Mail next to Forster Square Station then it may be easier for those commuting to Manchester to travel to Leeds via Shipley and board a direct service from there!

I wonder how fast it could be if services only stopped at Shipley en route to Leeds
 

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So you don't agree that Stockport was pretty run down and not a pleasant place to live 10-15 years ago? All places are different but clearly public investment has helped transform Stockport. There's definitely some parallels to be drawn to Bradford and definitely in terms of transport infrastructure in station location in relation to the centre, its far more like Stockport than Rochdale and Oldham.

No. Having worked in Bradford and lived/worked in Manchester for 26 years, I do not see Stockport as having been that problematic in that time. Whilst physical transformation takes time, the plans have been in place for the whole time I have been there.

The Airport, the London trains, the Birmingham trains etc are all major advantages to Stockport that Bradford simply does not have. Likewise the Airport.

Because Stockport has advantages, it naturally supports a better centre than Bradford.
 

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No. Having worked in Bradford and lived/worked in Manchester for 26 years, I do not see Stockport as having been that problematic in that time. Whilst physical transformation takes time, the plans have been in place for the whole time I have been there.

The Airport, the London trains, the Birmingham trains etc are all major advantages to Stockport that Bradford simply does not have. Likewise the Airport.

Because Stockport has advantages, it naturally supports a better centre than Bradford.
Bradford is certainly more deprived than the wider Stockport area and I agree the rail connectivity helps but a new station is about improving connectivity. I disagree that Stockport hasn't had its problems because I've experienced how dead the town centre was a decade ago and some of the antisocial behaviour first hand. I actually think with the pedestrianisation, historic buildings, and shopping centre, Bradford is far more of destination than Stockport.
 

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No station in Bradford can give Bradford what Stockport has. Not even a HS line to Manchester offers what Stockport has.

I know there is a tendency to underplay the importance of global connectivity, but there is a reason money flows to Manchester over other cities.
 

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I was going to ask this earlier so I'm glad you mentioned it.

What additional services are we expecting ?
I only know what was being considered a few years ago but it was either 2 or 4 trains per hour between Manchester and Leeds via Bradford. This was when HS2 was happening so it included potential extensions to Birmingham and/or Liverpool and potentially Hull.

That wasn't to say that it couldn't have been used for local services. That wasn't part of the scope consideration though. Obviously plans may have changed since then and final service specifications tend to only be firmed up a few years out from delivery.

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No station in Bradford can give Bradford what Stockport has. Not even a HS line to Manchester offers what Stockport has.

I know there is a tendency to underplay the importance of global connectivity, but there is a reason money flows to Manchester over other cities.
Again I don't disagree, but I don't think it needs to be as good as Stockport. Stockport doesn't have overly great public transport access to the airport currently either. The plan is for direct services to Manchester Airport from Bradford through NPR which will certainly help from a business perspective.
 
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I only know what was being considered a few years ago but it was either 2 or 4 trains per hour between Manchester and Leeds via Bradford. This was when HS2 was happening so it included potential extensions to Birmingham and/or Liverpool and potentially Hull.

That wasn't to say that it couldn't have been used for local services. That wasn't part of the scope consideration though. Obviously plans may have changed since then and final service specifications tend to only be firmed up a few years out from delivery.

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Again I don't disagree, but I don't think it needs to be as good as Stockport. Stockport doesn't have overly great public transport access to the airport currently either. The plan is for direct services to Manchester Airport from Bradford through NPR which will certainly help from a business perspective.
Bradford will certainly benefit if the Manchester to Liverpool route is via Manchester Airport. Though that is something which keeps getting neglected by those who look at a map and think the quickest line is to go straight West from central Manchester.

I would like to see a commitment to getting all of NPR done, and HS2 Manchester to London, so that everything integrates.

However, I would still expect Interchange to exist for the classic services in that world.
 

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Bradford will certainly benefit if the Manchester to Liverpool route is via Manchester Airport. Though that is something which keeps getting neglected by those who look at a map and think the quickest line is to go straight West from central Manchester.

A while ago it was planned to have direct services to Manchester Airport from Bradford and beyond if I remeber correctly.

I don't see how spending billions on a new route that doesn't actually stop at Manchester Airport will somehow benefit Bradford!

For what it's worth changing at Manchester Picadilly is a far more attractive experience than something which will be like East Midlands Parkway.
 

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A while ago it was planned to have direct services to Manchester Airport from Bradford and beyond if I remeber correctly.

I don't see how spending billions on a new route that doesn't actually stop at Manchester Airport will somehow benefit Bradford!

For what it's worth changing at Manchester Picadilly is a far more attractive experience than something which will be like East Midlands Parkway.
To be fair, they do need to ensure that the Metrolink is extended. It is a protected alignment and it was always my understanding that it would be brought to the HS2 station.

A tram to complete the journey... getting back to Bradford again, aren't we.
 

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A while ago it was planned to have direct services to Manchester Airport from Bradford and beyond if I remeber correctly.
It wouldn't surprise me if one was introduced eventually via the Ordsall Chord. It all requires more infrastructure in Manchester and diverting the TPE airport services away from the Ordsall Chord and on to the Manchester to Liverpool railway.
I don't see how spending billions on a new route that doesn't actually stop at Manchester Airport will somehow benefit Bradford!
I think similarly to moving the Bradford station, saying the station won't be at Manchester Airport is overestimating the current accessibility and underestimating a potential future stations accessibility. The current station isn't particularly close to Terminal 2. As long as there's tram and bus connections to the terminal. It will be far quicker to travel from Bradford to Manchester Airport via HS2 (or whatever its going to be called)

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To be fair, they do need to ensure that the Metrolink is extended. It is a protected alignment and it was always my understanding that it would be brought to the HS2 station.

A tram to complete the journey... getting back to Bradford again, aren't we.
I suppose it all comes down to integration and ensuring a tram is free at both locations. That would go a long way towards solving both connectivity issues. There's precedent for free trams (only for trips within Greater Manchester) and buses in Manchester city centre. No reason something similar couldn't be achieved in Bradford.
 

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Similar issues exist elsewhere in places such as Derby where there's literally a 6 lane road called Traffic Street to cross to reach the town centre from the station.
Exactly! The very reason why whenever I go to Derby I always go by bus. The journey time from where I live is much longer by bus than by rail, but it avoids the awful walk to and from the station. It’s not just the 6 lane road, but also the distance to walk through a very unattractive area. Probably not as rough as Bradford, but still not nice, especially in the dark.

I’ve been reading this thread and others concerning Bradford with interest, but until now haven’t joined in the discussion. This is mainly because I’m a complete outsider and don’t know Bradford as well as many people here. My only experience of Bradford is as a visitor. Over the last 10 years I have had four hotel stays in Bradford mainly because hotel prices in Bradford can be half the price of those in Leeds.

I‘ve actually liked staying in the City Centre and find it quite a good place to be. The whole central area between Bradford Interchange and Forster Square Stations is fine. There are some very impressive buildings and I love the City Park area and the City Hall. The walk around the Market Street area from Forster Square also has some wonderful building, as does Little Germany and around the Cathedral. The Alhambra Theatre is also very impressive and there are interesting museums. I felt quite safe walking around that central area at night although it always seems very quiet for the centre of such a large city. I did find the City Centre somewhat lacking in places to eat early evenings. The centre of Bradford to me seemed much safer and pleasanter than many other city centres around the country.

Now the other side of things.
The nice, well kept, central area of Bradford is quite compact and small, but I don’t recommend straying far from that central area. Once you stray anywhere beyond Forster Square or Interchange Stations it is awful. Everywhere in front of the Alhambra and Museum is lovely but not the area behind them. Travelling out by bus up the Wakefield and Manchester Roads took me though areas that I wouldn’t walk through even in the middle of the day and they were not necessarily the worst areas I travelled through. Who would want to walk up the hill to the location suggested for this new station after dark.
 

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The T&A recently ran an article about "7 game changers" that could boost Bradford, and they claim that the new station would "support" up to 27,000 new jobs. They don't however explain how, or where:




The thing is Bradford needs to be realistic. Yes it does need redevelopment, but it's never going to be on the scale of Manchester or Leeds, but 27K jobs? I just cannot see that happening just because of a new station. And without even a hint of how that might happen, you simply have to dismiss this as rubbish, especially if you understand the economic situation in the area.
I saw that article and laughed, as did most people in the comments.

It sums up the problem with Bradford council, rather than just making the city the best they can, they stomp their feet thinking Bradford could be in the “big nine” of British cities. Anything less than being on a par with Leeds and Manchester just won’t do. Hence why they want a new through station like Leeds rather than any sort of improvement to a terminal station

They seem to ignore than the current “big eight” is one city per region, and West Yorkshire’s is already Leeds.

And the new station generating 27,000 jobs. I’m not sure there are that many jobs in the city centre now. Imagining thousands of brand new tech jobs in shiny new office blocks in the new St James’s district, is a pipe dream
 

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I wonder how fast it could be if services only stopped at Shipley en route to Leeds

This. I’m sure when I used to live there before Apperley Bridge and Kirkstall Forge were opened it used to be about 21 or 22 minutes even with Frizinghall, and at Frizinghall (which was my local station for a couple of years) it was sub-20 minutes. Being a mainline route the alignment is much much better suited to high speed running than the former branch lines that went into the Interchange.
 

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I don't see how spending billions on a new route that doesn't actually stop at Manchester Airport will somehow benefit Bradford!
If the NPR Liverpool - Manchester line gets built it should release capacity for the Bradford - Manchester Vic service to be extended to the Airport, as originally planned, assuming the works at Oxford Road haven't already allowed that to happen.

To clarify the NPR announcement didn't include any reference to any new line east of Manchester;
"https://www.gov.uk/government/news/north-west-to-benefit-from-multi-billion-pound-rail-investment" - "Plans for Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) have been set out today (14 January 2026), including a new rail route between Liverpool and Manchester, running via Manchester Airport and Warrington........ The third phase will focus on improved connections between Manchester and Sheffield, Manchester and Leeds and explore options for Manchester to Bradford."
 

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I could list loads of other cities with stations further way than what is being proposed in Bradford.
How many other cities are proposing to close a station in the city centre and replace it with one on the fringes? It is a retrograde step for anyone travelling to Bradford for work or leisure - or making a connection to/from Forster Square.

And businesses currently located in Leeds city centre are not going to relocate to offices clustered around the new Bradford station. Not if they want to retain their staff.

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There's precedent for free trams (only for trips within Greater Manchester)
I'd love to be able to buy a ticket to "Manchester Zone 1" to catch a tram from Vic instead of having to walk across town to get to our office. The burning question is, Why can't I?

Or why there isn't a Manchester Maltese Cross offering Vic to Pic transfers on the tram, for that matter.


If the tram ever comes to Bradford, and the new station gets built (two big "ifs"), I will not be holding my breath for free trams into the centre or to Forster Square.
 
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