Well, territory last charted in the late 1930s at any rate.
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Thoughts on the Trump presidency
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edwin_m
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On a quick check, popcorn mostly comes from a swathe of red states, so perhaps we should be boycotting it.
I know, it really is shocking that a winner of such an august item as the FIFA Peace Prize would behave in this way.
Annetts key
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I'm shocked that you didn’t get a
Strathclyder
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I do understand where you're coming from, but I lost the ability to laugh at this a long time ago. Far as I'm concerned, it's straight up pathetic - not to mention insanely dangerous and volatile - because he's the President. A demented man-child with a vindictive streak a mile wide throwing the world into chaos over this is, as far as I'm concerned, not in the least bit funny. Or surprising.
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OhNoAPacer
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I have two medals from being part of a team that won Division 1 of the Postal Chess League a couple of times. If it would help defuse the situation then I am happy to send him one of those.
I know that sounds like a ridiculous suggestion but ...
I know that sounds like a ridiculous suggestion but ...
High Dyke
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Someone sent me this meme earlier.
Image: Shows Kim Jong Un, the Supreme Leader of North Korea
The think that gets me about Trump is that he's like a spoilt brat. It's my football and I'm taking it home attitude. Trying to participate on the world stage with that attitude is not going to make many friends. It needs the rest of the world leaders to stick up a collective two fingers to him. However, they're too busy trying to polish his ego for that to happen.
Image: Shows Kim Jong Un, the Supreme Leader of North Korea
The think that gets me about Trump is that he's like a spoilt brat. It's my football and I'm taking it home attitude. Trying to participate on the world stage with that attitude is not going to make many friends. It needs the rest of the world leaders to stick up a collective two fingers to him. However, they're too busy trying to polish his ego for that to happen.
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Russia is celebrating Trump's threats to Europe, as reported by the BBC's Steve Rosenberg:
www.bbc.co.uk
What else could make sense of all this insanity?
'Europe is at a total loss': Russia gloats over Greenland tensions
The BBC's Russia editor Steve Rosenberg analyses why pro-Russian government papers are full of praise for Donald Trump's desire to buy Greenland.
www.bbc.co.uk
It's getting towards the point that it's harder and harder to resist the allegation that Trump and his cronies are under Putin's control ...
What else could make sense of all this insanity?
Annetts key
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Russia is celebrating Trump's threats to Europe, as reported by the BBC's Steve Rosenberg:
'Europe is at a total loss': Russia gloats over Greenland tensions
The BBC's Russia editor Steve Rosenberg analyses why pro-Russian government papers are full of praise for Donald Trump's desire to buy Greenland.
It's getting towards the point that it's harder and harder to resist the allegation that Trump and his cronies are under Putin's control ...
What else could make sense of all this insanity?
You could say that if you go.on what the Russian newspapers are saying, that Russia is not interested in Greenland, therefore Trumps stated reason for wanting Greenland (security), falls apart even more...
Trainguy34
Established Member
Don't need a microwave to pop it, just leave it out if the alarms eventually go! Might have a uranium aftertaste, but that's all just part of the "fun"!
GusB
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The man is clearly ill and should be in a care home. Because of who he is and what he's done I really don't want to feel sorry for him, but part of me thinks that an old man in such obvious decline should be left to live out his twilight years in a quiet place away from the public gaze.
Again Puerto Ricans are like "Greenland?!"
perstreperous
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He has fallen apart since the turn of the year and the Chagos Islands remarks have put the cap on it all.
(I was amused by the BBC commentary, sent from the flaming keyboard, "special relationship in ruins Prime Minister humiliated blah blah blah". No - we are dealing with someone who is ill. That the sick person is the President of the United States, and cannot be removed from his post except by death, resignation or an untried constitutional amendment is a disaster for the world).
I was thinking yesterday that the "conversation" (over social media I believe) with the Norwegian Prime Minister, to summarise:
USP: I should have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize by your government.
NPM: It is awarded by an independent committee.
USP: You say that, but I know you are pulling the wires behind the scenes.
was exactly, almost to the word, what I had to deal with when a colleague became ill and, in the end, was paid off because of a diagnosis of PPD (Paranoid Personality Disorder).
Edit: I put my wallet where my mouth is and bet on JD Vance assuming the Presidency within six months.
(I was amused by the BBC commentary, sent from the flaming keyboard, "special relationship in ruins Prime Minister humiliated blah blah blah". No - we are dealing with someone who is ill. That the sick person is the President of the United States, and cannot be removed from his post except by death, resignation or an untried constitutional amendment is a disaster for the world).
I was thinking yesterday that the "conversation" (over social media I believe) with the Norwegian Prime Minister, to summarise:
USP: I should have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize by your government.
NPM: It is awarded by an independent committee.
USP: You say that, but I know you are pulling the wires behind the scenes.
was exactly, almost to the word, what I had to deal with when a colleague became ill and, in the end, was paid off because of a diagnosis of PPD (Paranoid Personality Disorder).
Edit: I put my wallet where my mouth is and bet on JD Vance assuming the Presidency within six months.
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nlogax
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Even if what little remaining common sense completely falls of a cliff and Greenland becomes a US territory it won't stay that way beyond January 20th 2029. Assuming* of course the Dems take the House in November and everything else in 2028. How quickly do we expect absolutely every other dire decision of the Trump WH to be rolled back or nixed?
*I know, assuming the US democratic process will remain unaltered is pretty wild
*I know, assuming the US democratic process will remain unaltered is pretty wild
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
Have they? To be fair I think arguing against us ceding Chagos to Mauritius is about the most sensible thing he's ever said! I have no particular issue with the idea of backing out of former empire countries if that's what their inhabitants want, but it should be ceded to them (the Chagossians) from whom we stole it, not some random third country (one aligned with our enemies, indeed) with an alleged claim over it that has no more value than our own.
I'd agree with the principal that he's not mentally competent and needs removing, though. 25th Amendment should do - has Vance got the guts? I have little time for him to be fair but he's at least mentally sane even if I might strongly disagree with most of his policies.
Judging by their previous track record - never
nlogax
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Not convinced Trump is going anywhere until his physical condition starts to become really obvious to even his most die-hard
The Trump administration approved the deal when it was negotiated, accepting the Downing Street argument that this would remove the risk of the UK and the US losing access to Diego Garcia under interntational law.
He's just straw clutching now to find ANYTHING he can twist to rant about having his new Greenlandic plaything - he's like a toddler rolling around on the floor in a supermarket having a tantrum because mommy won't buy him a Mini-Milk
perstreperous
Member
It was the instant reverse, it appears written about 0100 or 0200 in the morning (not the best time for rational thought). I see that all the quotes made at the time from everyone else, starting with Marco Rubio, are now being dredged up on what a great deal it was.
In a rational situation that behaviour would lead to the knives coming out for insertion in the front or back, as appropriate.
(For the record, I don't know enough about the Chagos Islands issue to have any particular opinion).
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
I think there's a reasonable chance he won't live to the end of his term. He is obviously in extremely poor physical and mental health. I'd give him months - the question is how much damage he can do in months if nobody is willing to accept he's senile, Vance in particular as he could activate the 25th Amendment. Does he himself not want power, perhaps, as Trump has made such a mess it'll certainly reflect on him when he can't fix it all quickly?
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I don't disagree with that. As I said I think he's severely mentally ill (e.g. dementia) - he probably actually has the mental capacity of the toddler now. He was never a nice person (watch that film about him to get an idea) but he's now not just that but also not mentally competent or rational.
nlogax
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That's actually what I was getting at. It's long been my belief that he won't live to see the end of it.
Out of interest, what odds did you get?
Weird possibility, but perhaps Vance is letting Trump get deeper into this kind of weird & wacky territory before he takes over? That way when he does take the helm, anything he does will seem sane in comparison?
Gloster
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Well, how have things gone in the year since I started this thread. I expected Trump to be even more greedy than than in his first term and grift at every opportunity, to vindictively attack all those that he felt had slighted him, and to display even more egotism than normal. There would be a number of questionable actions and some tantrums from Trump himself which would lead to some instability, and there would undoubtedly be changes to the balance of society, but the basic government functions would continue as before and there would be a chance of recovery. Changes there would be, and not to the general good, but we would get through.
I referred to it in satirical vein as ‘insanity’, but this is what it has turned out to be. Who, even in their worst cheese-induced nightmare, would have thought that Trump would be threatening to invade a part of NATO? The changes that I expected to take place behind the scenes have barely been hidden: the only reason that they aren’t so obvious is that there are so many things happening that no one can keep up with them.
My feeling is that what has changed everything is the decline in Trump’s health, particularly in the last few months. On top of all his other idiosyncrasies, he appears to be losing track of reality. As he is ruled by his ego he now does things that previously his cunning would have held him back from. His advisors seem to be an even more unscrupulous bunch than usual and I do wonder exactly who some of them are working for.
As far as this country is concerned, we are probably close to the point where we must make a decisive stand against Trump. It will cause massive problems, but we cannot go on appeasing someone who has, in effect, become a dictator. If we did, we would just find ourself in an even worse state when we finally had to make that stand.
And what now? We can expect that Trump will finally tip over the edge soon, probably in months. Hopefully he will either quietly die or be removed screaming, rather than doing something utterly catastrophic. So we get Vance, who I think is an even nastier character. For a while it may seem a relief to have someone in the Whitehouse who will think rationally, but I suspect that the changes that have happened under Trump will allow Vance to do some extremely unpleasant things and normality will not return.
I referred to it in satirical vein as ‘insanity’, but this is what it has turned out to be. Who, even in their worst cheese-induced nightmare, would have thought that Trump would be threatening to invade a part of NATO? The changes that I expected to take place behind the scenes have barely been hidden: the only reason that they aren’t so obvious is that there are so many things happening that no one can keep up with them.
My feeling is that what has changed everything is the decline in Trump’s health, particularly in the last few months. On top of all his other idiosyncrasies, he appears to be losing track of reality. As he is ruled by his ego he now does things that previously his cunning would have held him back from. His advisors seem to be an even more unscrupulous bunch than usual and I do wonder exactly who some of them are working for.
As far as this country is concerned, we are probably close to the point where we must make a decisive stand against Trump. It will cause massive problems, but we cannot go on appeasing someone who has, in effect, become a dictator. If we did, we would just find ourself in an even worse state when we finally had to make that stand.
And what now? We can expect that Trump will finally tip over the edge soon, probably in months. Hopefully he will either quietly die or be removed screaming, rather than doing something utterly catastrophic. So we get Vance, who I think is an even nastier character. For a while it may seem a relief to have someone in the Whitehouse who will think rationally, but I suspect that the changes that have happened under Trump will allow Vance to do some extremely unpleasant things and normality will not return.