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Porterbrook Cl.769 'Flex' trains from 319s, initially for Northern
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You may be closer to the truth than you might think. Amazingly 769434 and 769456 both appear today off AN having been out of traffic (and noted on here yesterday) since 5 Dec and mid-Oct respectively. Perhaps speculation that 769421 has gone back to Long Marston without its transformer (for 456) might just be correct, or even taken off 769452 which looks like its a lease over job for that one - orhaving been named and shamed on here it might amazingly return. Perhaps even someone at Northern/Porterbrook reads this, who knows!!!
Anyway, as stated above 5 out today + 1 x 4 car DMU covering.
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Someone's definitely watching!!!
Saturday 20 December:-
6 as per diagrams have started the day today, 431/34/48/50/56/58. 442 is at AN, 424 at Brodies, 452 presume at AN.
First time since 3 November that 6 have started.
450 has run into trouble, but seems to have been vandalism, and is currently back on diagram.
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bristollh
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It was presumably to have this mess scrubbed off it. I caught 448 through to Oxford Road from Hindley running on diesel, which was a novelty.
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769450 appears now to have been removed, as 156402/60 are now on its diagram.
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Mon 22
6 as per diagrams have started the day, with 450 back in circulation having had its graffiti washed -apparently not, see below!
769424 (Brodies), 769431/52 not in action.
Later 769458 has failed at Southport.
Tues 23
5 started the day. 431/42/50/56/58. Other diagram covered by 4 car 156 off NH.
769456 managed Wigan to Southport but failed by 07.30, 156419 appropriated to cover.
Tues 24
6!! start the day. 431/34/42/48/50/58. 424 at Brodies, 452 presume AN, 456 ?? - failed yesterday.
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Mon 22
6 as per diagrams have started the day, with 450 back in circulation having had its graffiti washed -apparently not, see below!
769424 (Brodies), 769431/52 not in action.
Later 769458 has failed at Southport.
Tues 23
5 started the day. 431/42/50/56/58. Other diagram covered by 4 car 156 off NH.
769456 managed Wigan to Southport but failed by 07.30, 156419 appropriated to cover.
Tues 24
6!! start the day. 431/34/42/48/50/58. 424 at Brodies, 452 presume AN, 456 ?? - failed yesterday.
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Bit late but:-
Appeared to have 7 769's in action at some point today, but some have worked 'short' diagrams.
769431/34/42/48/50/56/58 appear to have been working, but 456/58 also appear to have shared one diagram.
The only two missing today were 424 (Brodies) and 452 (presume AN, but not in use for some time, might have finished its time with Northern??)
Appeared to have 7 769's in action at some point today, but some have worked 'short' diagrams.
769431/34/42/48/50/56/58 appear to have been working, but 456/58 also appear to have shared one diagram.
The only two missing today were 424 (Brodies) and 452 (presume AN, but not in use for some time, might have finished its time with Northern??)
1D53
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452 is at Wigan for use on driver training.
Not bad at all! The two 'active' ones that are missing are 431 and 448, which according to workings last week should have finished up at AN on Saturday night. 424 at Brodies since 16/11, 452 at SP on driving training as previously advised. None of the active 769's have come out of AN this morning,(although something came out of AN on 5J01 but didn't even get to Lime Street) and as per the various moves noted above, 150104 is covering the one missing 769 diagram, coming off NH this morning.
pokemonsuper9
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Reported as having been 769448 (allocated 29/12/25 03:23:42, removed 29/12/25 05:23:24), left Allerton, (presumably) failed, and returned to the depot 40 minutes after having left.
Just so you can see the sort of craziness this is how 104 made it's way onto that 769 diagram we had to organise at short notice this morning at Victoria. Now imagine the fun when all of them are broken...
UNIT ALTERATIONS AT MANCHESTER VICTORIA
5N50 0521 ARR 150127 / 150133 / 150135 / 150104 UNITS TO SPLIT –
UNIT ALTERATIONS AT MANCHESTER VICTORIA
5N50 0521 ARR 150127 / 150133 / 150135 / 150104 UNITS TO SPLIT –
- - 150127 TO WORK 2K60 0534 DEP TO HEADBOLT LANE (LEADING WEST END)
- - 150133 / 150135 TO WORK 2N50 0543 DEP TO CLITHEROE (MIDDLE SETS)
- - 150104 TO WORK 2W01 0608 DEP TO SOUTHPORT (EAST END SET)
pokemonsuper9
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I wasn't aware a quad 150/156 came off Newton Heath, that's cool!
Looks like normally it would be front 2 to Headbolt and Back 2 to Clitheroe.
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Correct. These Headbolt/Clitheroe services form peak am services to Manchester, and passengers are left behind when either is short-formed to 2 carriages.
5 again today, with 150125 covering the diagram that starts at NH, and ends at AN. 769434/48 not out today.
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Wed 31
5 were booked to start the day, but 458 was failed before leaving SP, so 4 in service with 1 x4 car DMU, and 1 x 2 car DMU covering. 450/56/58 missing, 450 should have finished last night at NH, whilst 456/58 were booked to finish at SP.
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Wed 31
5 were booked to start the day, but 458 was failed before leaving SP, so 4 in service with 1 x4 car DMU, and 1 x 2 car DMU covering. 450/56/58 missing, 450 should have finished last night at NH, whilst 456/58 were booked to finish at SP.
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5 out today, after some shuffling and late starts - 431/34/42/48/56. 424 at Brodies, 450/58 not in action, presume 452 at SP (training), 1 x 2 car DMU covering.
Later both 434 & 456 failed at Wigan Wallgate, 456 retiring hurt for the day just after lunch and was observed going up the Headbolt Lane line at Wigan, then reversing back, whilst 434 missed a few services but went back into traffic late afternoon.
Fri 2/1 3 only have started the day, with nothing out of AN. 442/48/58 glying the flag with 3 x 2 car DMU covering (2 156 out of NH, 1 x 150 out of SP)
Later both 434 & 456 failed at Wigan Wallgate, 456 retiring hurt for the day just after lunch and was observed going up the Headbolt Lane line at Wigan, then reversing back, whilst 434 missed a few services but went back into traffic late afternoon.
Fri 2/1 3 only have started the day, with nothing out of AN. 442/48/58 glying the flag with 3 x 2 car DMU covering (2 156 out of NH, 1 x 150 out of SP)
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Down to 2 (out of 6 diagrams) today 448/58. The 2 AN diagrams are being covered by single 156's (actually off AN!!), whilst SP has cobbled together a 4 car DMU, and NH a 2 car DMU. So thsts 3 x2 car DMU, and 1 x 4 car DMU covering.
From yesterday 442 is missing (went into AN last night)
From yesterday 442 is missing (went into AN last night)
450 is (still) at Newton Heath, just passed it on a tram.
New Year, new start..........
4 out today, 434/42/48/58. Missing are 431/56 (both last out 1.1), 450 (last out 30.12 & last noted at NH), with 424 at Brodies and 452 training at SP.
Other 2 769 diagrams covered by 2 x 2 car 156 DMU (both shortform).
4 out today, 434/42/48/58. Missing are 431/56 (both last out 1.1), 450 (last out 30.12 & last noted at NH), with 424 at Brodies and 452 training at SP.
Other 2 769 diagrams covered by 2 x 2 car 156 DMU (both shortform).
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Halwynd
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Managed to catch 769442 this morning after two earlier and consecutive Southport departures were cancelled. Ticket machine yet again not working at my local station, which is now in a general state of neglect and disrepair.
14 passengers onboard on arrival at Wigan - who can blame those who have raised the white flag and deserted in recent years?
14 passengers onboard on arrival at Wigan - who can blame those who have raised the white flag and deserted in recent years?
6/1
5 have started the day, 431/34/42/48/58. Other diagram covered by 1 x 2 car DMU 150149 (shortform)
424 at Brodies
450 at NH??
452 at ?? not at SP, has this now gone off lease?
456 at SP
7/1
Same 5 have started the day. Other diagram covered by 1 x 2 car DMU 150126 (shortform)
5 have started the day, 431/34/42/48/58. Other diagram covered by 1 x 2 car DMU 150149 (shortform)
424 at Brodies
450 at NH??
452 at ?? not at SP, has this now gone off lease?
456 at SP
7/1
Same 5 have started the day. Other diagram covered by 1 x 2 car DMU 150126 (shortform)
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8/1
4 start the day, 431/34/42/50. 2 x 2 car DMU covering the other 2 diagrams (both therefore shortformed)
424 Brodies
448 AN?
452 AN
456 SP
458 NH?
The 2 DMU's covering are on diagrams that finish tonight at AN, unless swaps occur.
9/1
5 start the day 431/34/42/48/50. 1 x 4 car DMU (off AN) covering the other diagram.
4 start the day, 431/34/42/50. 2 x 2 car DMU covering the other 2 diagrams (both therefore shortformed)
424 Brodies
448 AN?
452 AN
456 SP
458 NH?
The 2 DMU's covering are on diagrams that finish tonight at AN, unless swaps occur.
9/1
5 start the day 431/34/42/48/50. 1 x 4 car DMU (off AN) covering the other diagram.
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Halwynd
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My planned train has just been cancelled, a nice 45 minute wait for the next one to Southport. Sick of being messed about by Northern, I'm raising the white flag now, no more.
769442 on 11.27 Man Ox Rd-Southport terminated at Wigan Wallgate (having seemingly having had problems at Ince earlier -changing over from diesel to electric whilst going to Manchester on the 10.03 Southport-Manchester Ox Rd). The return Southport-Stalybridge is now starting from Wigan with 150135/28, which is interesting as 150128 started the day coupled with 156418 coming off AN as the replacement for the non-769 available unit.
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Halwynd
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Thanks David, yes I was waiting for the 11:27 Oxford Rd - Southport.
Sat 10/1
4 today
431/34/48/50
1 x 2 car DMU & 1 x 4 car DMU covering.
Mon 12/1
3 started the day 434/42/48 but 442 pulled up lame at Wigan having managed AN to Man Vic ECS, Man Vic-Southport, then failing on a Southport-Ox Road.
Currently down to 2, with 3 x 2 car DMU covering (all shortformed), and the other diagram that 769442 pulled up on is now covered by a 2 car 150 - splitting a (rare) 4 car DMU at Southport. So that's 5 shortformed Southports today.
Tues 13/1 4 start the day. 434/42/48/50. 1 x 2 car 156 DMU off AN, and 1 x4 car 150 DMU off SP covering.
456 now missing since 1/1.
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Wed 14/1
4 started the day 434/42/48/50 but 434 already has failed at Wigan Wallgate having worked AN-Mn Vic-Southport-Wigan (traction equipment), and has retired to SP
Other two diagrams covered by 1 x4 car 150 DMU and 1 x 2 car 150 DMU (both off SP). 769434's diagram is covered later (after lunch) by a class 156 from NH, so a few cancellations before this happens.
Thurs 15/1
Some swapping of diagrams this morning but net result (after 1 or 2 cancellations) is that there are 5 out:- 431/34/42/48/50, with 1 x 2 car 150 off AN covering.
4 today
431/34/48/50
1 x 2 car DMU & 1 x 4 car DMU covering.
Mon 12/1
3 started the day 434/42/48 but 442 pulled up lame at Wigan having managed AN to Man Vic ECS, Man Vic-Southport, then failing on a Southport-Ox Road.
Currently down to 2, with 3 x 2 car DMU covering (all shortformed), and the other diagram that 769442 pulled up on is now covered by a 2 car 150 - splitting a (rare) 4 car DMU at Southport. So that's 5 shortformed Southports today.
Tues 13/1 4 start the day. 434/42/48/50. 1 x 2 car 156 DMU off AN, and 1 x4 car 150 DMU off SP covering.
456 now missing since 1/1.
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Wed 14/1
4 started the day 434/42/48/50 but 434 already has failed at Wigan Wallgate having worked AN-Mn Vic-Southport-Wigan (traction equipment), and has retired to SP
Other two diagrams covered by 1 x4 car 150 DMU and 1 x 2 car 150 DMU (both off SP). 769434's diagram is covered later (after lunch) by a class 156 from NH, so a few cancellations before this happens.
Thurs 15/1
Some swapping of diagrams this morning but net result (after 1 or 2 cancellations) is that there are 5 out:- 431/34/42/48/50, with 1 x 2 car 150 off AN covering.
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Fri 15/1
5 out today 434/42/48/50/58. 1 x 2 car 156 DMU covering the diagram that started at NH.
769458 (first day out since 7/1) has failed at Wigan Wallgate on 2W11 10.52 Stalybridge-Southport. Has (after a couple of cancellations) been replaced by 150126 -achieved by splitting a Blackburn-Headbolt Lane 4 car set, thus another short-form.
5 out today 434/42/48/50/58. 1 x 2 car 156 DMU covering the diagram that started at NH.
769458 (first day out since 7/1) has failed at Wigan Wallgate on 2W11 10.52 Stalybridge-Southport. Has (after a couple of cancellations) been replaced by 150126 -achieved by splitting a Blackburn-Headbolt Lane 4 car set, thus another short-form.
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Where was 431 , was out yesterday