Helvellyn
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A historical speculative discussion. The hydraulics were all withdrawn quite quickly in the first half of the 1970s due to being regarded as non-standard. However, what if the 35s (101 Type 3 locos) and 52s (74 Type 4 locos) weren't classified as such and were retained longer. What impact do people think that would have had on other loco classes across BR?
Some assumptions I am making:
I don't think the 35s and 52s would have lasted beyond the mid-1980s as BR's loco needs continued to decline, plus presuming there was still a desire to close Swindon in the 1980s the Classes would have been surplus. My speculative history rests on an acceptance a regional fleet could have enough work (like 33s on the SR, 45s on MR, 26s/27s in Scotland) until cascades allowed other classes to displace them where still needed (which essentially became 31s, 37s and 47s).
Some assumptions I am making:
- Class 14 (56 Type 1 locos) still declared non-standard/surplus due to trip work falling away.
- Class 42/43 (71 Type 4 locos) still declared non-standard/surplus due to mix of engine types across the two types (plus reliability issues).
- Class 50 (50 Type 4 locos fitted with ETH) still transferred to WR upon completion of WCML electrification to haul air-con stock.
- Fewer 47s needed on the WR due to the 52s being retained.
- 52s might work West of England line services to Waterloo, freeing up more 50s for GWML/inter-regional services.
- 46s start being withdrawn sooner due to 47s/50s being available to cover more services.
- Fewer 37s needed on the WR due to 35s being retained; Type 2s (ie: 25s) displaced sooner from freight traffic - both on WR and elsewhere as more 37s available for other regions - that might see 40s disposed of earlier if 37s could pick up their duties.
- Fewer 31s needed on the WR (31/4s still come in for ECS moves with air-con stock).
I don't think the 35s and 52s would have lasted beyond the mid-1980s as BR's loco needs continued to decline, plus presuming there was still a desire to close Swindon in the 1980s the Classes would have been surplus. My speculative history rests on an acceptance a regional fleet could have enough work (like 33s on the SR, 45s on MR, 26s/27s in Scotland) until cascades allowed other classes to displace them where still needed (which essentially became 31s, 37s and 47s).