Crossing the pennies aside there's a lot of examples of local journeys which will be unnesscarily cut off e.g Guide Bridge to Hadfield / Glossop or Buxton albeit less so, areas that are only barely if not at all in the orange area.
At least with a car you can chance it, is it risky yes? Can you get stuck, absolutely. But usually most people come to the conclusion that they will have much better chances and reliability always using the car. Then the railway loses a customer permenently and not just through bad weather spells. It ruins modal shift, we can't just shut down the minute a bit of snow comes down.
Possibly actually. I think the incident I referred to was the other side of Brockenhurst. I’ll see if I can find an old news article online.
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That may be my fault. It was at Sway, I think.Possibly actually. I think the incident I referred to was the other side of Brockenhurst. I’ll see if I can find an old news article online.
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Found it:
Passengers stuck on trains for 14 hours show 'Dunkirk spirit'
Travellers show "Dunkirk spirit" while stuck on the line between Southampton and Bournemouth.
Maybe a good idea for those who question this to view the 2018 thread. It sounds quite a major incident to me. See; https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...s-overnight-in-new-forest-01-03-02-03.161421/
The Netherlands got around 10cm, with people stranded at the airport. The amber area here may get three times that. Accuweather.com reckons Edale may get 40cm. These are differing degrees in totally unlike locations.
I think it might have been the same incident, having read that news article, but with multiple trains involved, one of which did have power and was stuck at a station, while the other two did not and were not.
What that does back up was the one-time policy that if things start going to pot you ideally want to have trains stop alongside platforms as far as is possible, because it leaves open the option for people to get off and do their own thing if they want. You can't always achieve that, but for a while significant effort was put into doing it (at least on the WCML*), and that seems to have fallen away again now.
* I'm reminded of spending about 5 hours sat on a stopped train at Hemel working on my laptop years ago. I could have got off at any time, the doors were released, but the extra legroom table at the far end of a nearly empty train (as almost everyone else had bailed) was actually quite a good office space. Could have just done with a coffee!
The higher amount (20-30cm) is only on hills according to the Met Office, otherwise up to 25cm, more likely 5-15cm. Either way, I think being in a different form geographically is not a good enough excuse to give up. If anything, it's a reason that we should be more prepared than other places, not less.
The hills is precisely where the Victorians built the rail infrastructure linking large parts of the North. No sensible country would be running intercity services on something that looks like the Hope Valley line but until that changes they have to make decisions based on the infrastructure in place now.
I still feel like Carmont was more of an infrastructure lesson than anything else. Because the RAIB said themselves it would never have happened had the drain been installed properly to specification.
Instead of take on the RAIB's advice, Network Rail has defaulted to just going carte blanche on shutting lines were the conditions are a little less than 'good'.
The last storm that caused any damage to my property was February 2022 when my greenhouse got smashed. There must have been dozens of warnings since then which, for me at least, amounted to nothing. I'm very glad that I live within walking or cycling distance of everywhere I need to be in my day to day life.
If you are stuck at an airport, you will be warm and dry. There will be staff on hand to provide information, typically a hotel or two, and airports are usually located on the outskirts of a conurbation.
Older third rail units were a bit more accepting of punishment - remember that power surge that caused a load of EMUs to sit down and refuse to work until a fitter had reset them in person?
It was the 700s that had the problem. It depended which version of software they had. The 313s were totally unaffected, other than being stuck behind failures. They suffered no damage that I'm aware of. Classic case of computer says no.
So do you think bridges should remain open to high sided vehicles in windy weather? I have seen enough trucks blown over in yellow weather warnings on motorways that werent bridges.
With accompanying legal protection for employees who heed that warning, requirement for the provision of protection to anyone stranded (hotels must offer vacant rooms at a rate fixed nationally and let people shelter if no alternatives available for example)
Same here, its quite hard to take these warnings seriously when I don't think a single Amber warning has resulted in any significant damage around me, if our infrastructure can't deal with a few small branches on the road then we mayaswell be told to never leave the house from September to March, just to avoid any risk
Actually according to the Met Office, (i.e. the organisation that actually issues the warnings):
As an aside 321s initially weren't snow-proof.
If we all had to take a shot when this thought-terminating cliche was trotted out here, we'd be raging alcoholics
Hope Valley and Edale ARE in the hills, that's the point... they don't receive significantly, if any, less snow than the hills immediately around them.
I didn't think the DC Line electrification could cope with 6 car 313s? (that was the excuse for all the peak hour 6 car 501 formations becoming 3 car when they were withdrawn....)
