Signal berth codes?

[saismee]

Ashford Intl P5 currently displaying ‘ROOM’. Any ideas? Perhaps something to do with the Eurostar disruption?

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Image showing Traksy map of Ashford Intl with platform 5’s signal berth showing as “ROOM”

Possibly something in the platform but room for another unit.

 

[Sunset route]

First few posts on this thread (7 pages back!) explain why the signaller needs to be aware of sidings etc that haven’t been used for a while. Rust on the railhead could lead to a wrong-side track circuit failure, with the siding apparently clear, but a train in there, invisible to the signalling system.

Or a wrong side failure that’s leads to a set points self normalising or being put to normal under a train. So it will act as a local reminder to the signaller to peg the points reverse until the train movement is conformed clear of the points.

 

[milooo]

'Hapy New Year' in the Welwyn North area
(Picture shows Traksy diagram with happy new year in the down direction)

 

[Ashley Hill]

And Exeter (Taunton desk)

 

[Freightmaster]

Resignalling work is taking place in the Kingmoor (Carlisle) area over the next seven days:



Just to be clear, Carlisle PSB itself is not closing - as I understand it, the changes just affect a small part of
one of the panels at the main PSB which interfaced with the Kingmoor interlocking which is (or rather was)
located in the old Kingmoor PSB building, which closed back in 1973:

Carlisle.

Remains of Kingmoor PSB.

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When the work is complete, that section of line will be controlled by a new workstation located
in Carlisle PSB, but all the signal numbers/locations in the affected area will remain unchanged.



MARK

 

[Surreytraveller]

Ashford Intl P5 currently displaying ‘ROOM’. Any ideas? Perhaps something to do with the Eurostar disruption?

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Image showing Traksy map of Ashford Intl with platform 5’s signal berth showing as “ROOM”

Likely to mean the driver is in the mess room, for when the train is ready to move

 

[LowLevel]

Likely to mean the driver is in the mess room, for when the train is ready to move

Room almost invariably means room in an occupied platform for an another train to arrive, at many locations it has to be advised verbally to the signaller by station staff or train crew.

 

[j37401]

Does anybody know what 'EYES' means. I often see this on the up/down goods line just by Ashburys station Manchester. It also appears just after Denton Junction heading towards Guide Bridge station.

 

[zwk500]

Does anybody know what 'EYES' means. I often see this on the up/down goods line just by Ashburys station Manchester. It also appears just after Denton Junction heading towards Guide Bridge station.

Patrolling/Inspection taking place?

Just to be clear, Carlisle PSB itself is not closing - as I understand it, the changes just affect a small part of
one of the panels at the main PSB which interfaced with the Kingmoor interlocking which is (or rather was)
located in the old Kingmoor PSB building, which closed back in 1973:

When the work is complete, that section of line will be controlled by a new workstation located
in Carlisle PSB, but all the signal numbers/locations in the affected area will remain unchanged.

Is this just a recontrol (Workstation taking over from panel but keeping the actual relays or SSI or whatever) or is the interlocking itself being updated as well?

 

[cool110]

Is this just a recontrol (Workstation taking over from panel but keeping the actual relays or SSI or whatever) or is the interlocking itself being updated as well?

Replacement of the old interlocking with Siemens Westrace.

 

[Falkland Yard]

Fringe boxes to Carlisle PSB have somewhat different ideas for being closed for the night.

 

[josh-j]

Fringe boxes to Carlisle PSB have somewhat different ideas for being closed for the night.

I like that

 

[tumbledown]

EVER DAYS ON NOWT DID FERG
at Carlisle? Must be read backwards.

 

[Surreytraveller]

EVER DAYS ON NOWT DID FERG
at Carlisle? Must be read backwards.

Quite often what's shown on RTT or whatever is a reverse of the way round a Signaller's panel is, so it will read the correct way round to the Signaller

 

[zwk500]

Quite often what's shown on RTT or whatever is a reverse of the way round a Signaller's panel is, so it will read the correct way round to the Signaller

RTT doesn't show signal berths .

But Yes, OTT, Signalmaps, Traksy et al will all have some displays 'flipped' compared to the signaller's panel for various reasons and it can be reasonably assumed that the signaller has input the descriptions to display normally to them.

 

[rower40]

XMAS was interposed in 28 different berths across the country on 24th December, and in 26 different berths on 25th December.

 

[Freightmaster]

OTT, Signalmaps, Traksy et al will all have some displays 'flipped' compared to the signaller's panel for various reasons and it can be reasonably assumed that the signaller has input the descriptions to display normally to them.

Railcam and Freightmaster are based in the north of England, so when we were creating
our WCML and ECML maps back in the day, we started at the north end of both routes
and gradually worked our way south to London, hence all those maps having north on
the left and south on the right, which is the opposite of OTT and Traksy who were
presumably copying the 'official' layout of the signalling diagrams used by Network Rail.

But to be honest, I don't think I would do anything differently if I started again from scratch,
as it gives enthusiasts a choice as to which orientation they prefer...



MARK

 

[zwk500]

Railcam and Freightmaster are based in the north of England, so when we were creating
our WCML and ECML maps back in the day, we started at the north end of both routes
and gradually worked our way south to London, hence all those maps having north on
the left and south on the right, which is the opposite of OTT and Traksy who were
presumably copying the 'official' layout of the signalling diagrams used by Network Rail.

IIRC NR official documents generally have the lower mileage end on the left so you read 'down' the line from left to right. Although some lines which run predominantly East to West such as the GWML and SWML are (often/generally/sometimes) presented with the low mileage on the right so that the diagram aligns better to geographic maps.

Also I think the signalling panels and frames themselves can be different to the diagams where it's relevent/useful to do so. E.g. for the diagram to be better related to the physical orientation of the signaller. Obviously AB boxes needed to have sight of the layout itself, and I think NX Panels generally kept the orientation of the major station. Probably not relevant now in ROCs & IECCs.

 

[takno]

Railcam and Freightmaster are based in the north of England, so when we were creating
our WCML and ECML maps back in the day, we started at the north end of both routes
and gradually worked our way south to London, hence all those maps having north on
the left and south on the right, which is the opposite of OTT and Traksy who were
presumably copying the 'official' layout of the signalling diagrams used by Network Rail.

But to be honest, I don't think I would do anything differently if I started again from scratch,
as it gives enthusiasts a choice as to which orientation they prefer...



MARK

Traksy's West Coast maps have south on the right. The thinking is that broadly geographically they go westwards. Weirdly I think parts of the Lichfield-Carlisle map got painstakingly flipped over at some point to fit, although I have no idea why they it was drawn the other way round to start with.

The East Coast maps go the other way round because it fits in better with the Transpennine map, and I can't bring myself to draw Newcastle the other way up.

Either way, all the maps have details from multiple workstations, panels and boxes, many of which would contradict each other. I typically don't look at the direction of the signal box before drawing a map.

 

[rower40]

When will the new signalling at Church Fenton through Cross Gates be represented on the maps please?

 

[takno]

When will the new signalling at Church Fenton through Cross Gates be represented on the maps please?

Ah, I hadn't noticed it was open again tbh. I'll see if I can track some trains through and get it updated on Traksy tomorrow

 

[rower40]

The only bit still shut is Church Fenton platforms 3/4 (and the through line) to Micklefield. Opens 26th Jan. Leeds to Micklefield to Selby is open, as is Colton to Church Fenton to Sherburn.

 

[Freightmaster]

When will the new signalling at Church Fenton through Cross Gates be represented on the maps please?

I updated the Freightmaster map on Sunday - Railcam did theirs last week.

Ah, I hadn't noticed it was open again tbh.

opened at 08.30 on Sunday 4th.

I'll see if I can track some trains through and get it updated on Traksy tomorrow

If you want any help pinpointing the location of any of the new signals/berths,
feel free to contact me by PM and I'll do my best to assist.



MARK

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Flooding at Daisy Hill has made it a slippery bank?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Could be an earth slip?

 

[zwk500]

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Flooding at Daisy Hill has made it a slippery bank?

Could be an earth slip?

Almost certainly an embankment slip. Quite possible caused by flooding.

 

[janb]

Burst water main at Daisy Hill causing an embankment slip.

 

[Crant90045]

May not be the funniest of all messages but we have RUST seen today at Healey Mills TMD, I assume referring to the abandoned/rusty wagons that are left there

 

[RailwayRookie]

May not be the funniest of all messages but we have RUST seen today at Healey Mills TMD, I assume referring to the abandoned/rusty wagons that are left there
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Its because of rusted rails, track circuits may not operate correctly causing trains to 'disappear' on signallers panels.

 

[Crant90045]

Thanks, I thought it was regarding the abandoned wagons there so the signaller knows not to send trains there,