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Doncaster Sheffield Airport to reopen?

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Apologies for touching on reality, but much has been made of potential aerospace companies as tenants in a revived DSA (BAE Systems, etc.)

Has anyone made a public commitment to a future at DSA yet, or is this all just conjecture?
 
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Ah yes ;)

Before long they’ll be issuing zone transits to residents at the local pig farm.
Or if the previous was anything to go by, rejecting said zone transits and ‘forgetting’ to log the rejections. ‘Sorry you can’t transit flying pigs through here, we’ve got a big movement scheduled at some point today’. Something tells me those previous rejections (that were forgotten about) might come back to bite them through the ACP!
 

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Or if the previous was anything to go by, rejecting said zone transits and ‘forgetting’ to log the rejections. ‘Sorry you can’t transit flying pigs through here, we’ve got a big movement scheduled at some point today’. Something tells me those previous rejections (that were forgotten about) might come back to bite them through the ACP!
The ‘big movement’ in question being a 737 some hours later. Sounds like Bournemouth Radar on a Saturday afternoon.
 

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The ‘big movement’ in question being a 737 some hours later. Sounds like Bournemouth Radar on a Saturday afternoon.
Exactly this. The huge swathes of airspace that they’re trying to get back were extreme overkill. It would be simply outrageous if they are granted it again.
 

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Apologies for touching on reality, but much has been made of potential aerospace companies as tenants in a revived DSA (BAE Systems, etc.)

Has anyone made a public commitment to a future at DSA yet, or is this all just conjecture?
It’s not reality. Much has been made by people slightly desperately trying to find ways to make DSA viable as it becomes apparent that neither passenger or cargo airlines are really that interested. The actual reality is that there is no chance at all of a military aerospace company that needs a runway co-locating at a civilian airport, for reasons that should be obvious. And that’s before we get to the fact that BAe are quite content with what they already have (Warton, Samlesbury etc) and aren’t looking to move or relocate.

The only other civilian option of any size large enough to make a difference to viability would be Airbus, but again they’re not looking to relocate from Hawarden, where they have OPCON and OPCOM of the airfield and they have no plans to expand from their current facilities in the UK.

In terms of operating companies likes of Draken at Teesside and the owners of the Hunters at RAF Leeming, both of whom fly OPFOR and some other taskings for RAF training are happy where they are and have no reason to move.

The only other company really interested is 2Excel who have been consistent that they’d move their 727s and King Airs, the latter now at Humberside, back to DSA should it ever be viable.

There have been no announcements re DSA by any serious aerospace manufacturers. Of course of it was turned over for industrial use then aerospace component (and others) manufacturers could move in and it would be good for the area as it would bringing in skilled and well paid jobs, something which Donny doesn’t have a large number of.
 
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@Bantamzen LBA is a pain to get to for anyone not in Leeds or the ‘Golden Triangle’. But that’s where most of the money is and therefore the highest propensity to fly this side of the Pennines happens to be in the immediate LBA catchment area.

When people try justify DSA it doesn’t seem to be through some untapped market demand, it seems to be ‘well LBA is rubbish, MAN is awful, I don’t like the drive over the Pennines’ etc. They just can’t seem to grasp that the airlines just didn’t see a need to serve it, if anything they actively avoided it because of significant market overlap.
LBA is slow to get to from the south because it is right in the urban sprawl of Leeds and so the roads are all slow 30mph roads. But the fact that it is in the urban sprawl of Leeds means that it has a lot of people right on its doorstep. And those people aren't going to drive all the way to a field ten miles south of Doncaster.

DSA has lovely new fast roads to get to it. Unfortunately these roads are fast and lovely precisely because DSA is in the middle of bloody nowhere.

As you say, the market overlap is always going to be the killer for DSA. Where my family lived between Bradford and Halifax, the main choices were LBA, Manchester, and Liverpool. LBA was the closest but because of the slow roads it wasn't much further in terms of time to Manchester or Liverpool.

It's exactly the same up the road in Teesside. From Durham, where I once lived, it was 45-60 minutes to Newcastle or about 60-90 minutes to LBA. Teesside isn't ever going to muscle in on those two airports.

The best thing for both Teesside and DSA is to flatten the airfields and build houses on them.
 

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Teesside could have remained open under private ownership with the ancillary businesses on site. It’s a sham that’s been bought by the public at significant expense as the mayors play thing and to shore up political capital. Commercially, as a passenger airport, it’ll never beat the competition due to market forces. The meddling by the public sector now does anything but guarantee its future. However there are some meaningful contracts being agreed (that were already there pre-2019) that mean the airport has a good stream of aviation revenue.

DSA doesn’t share this. Peel purchased Teesside and built DSA on the back of their success at Liverpool. It’s often ignored but is a key aspect of the history of DSA (and Teesside), Peel believed they had a USP over and above the established competition and that was the low-cost operating ethos. Unfortunately for DSA and Teesside by the time Peel got going on those, the Manchesters, Newcastles and even Leeds Bradfords had fully gotten on board with the then future of air travel. The protectionism over legacy carriers and IT Charter operators had ended, and we then saw the floodgates open to easyjet, Ryanair and Jet2 which meant that the one thing Teesside was purchased for, and the entire premise behind building DSA was simply null and void.

Even with the steep growth in air travel over the last 20-30 years, the growth patterns have followed a similar path to the old world. Basically the larger the immediate catchment area the busier the airport. Liverpool was previously (until the mid-90’s) relatively held back due to its proximity to Manchester. The single reason it’s a success today is due to the easyjet/Ryanait partnerships that emerged before Manchester opened the floodgates. It does of course have a very strong immediate catchment area and Liverpool does attract inbound tourism. The same cannot be said for Doncaster or Teesside.

The fact that this crucial bit of history is completely forgotten about means that we have people saying the same stuff they were saying 20 odd years ago about the ‘long runway’ and how it’s apparently close to 6 million people so should be successful. It wasn’t last time, it won’t be this time. All because Peel made a major error of judgement.
 

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Teesside could have remained open under private ownership with the ancillary businesses on site. It’s a sham that’s been bought by the public at significant expense as the mayors play thing and to shore up political capital. Commercially, as a passenger airport, it’ll never beat the competition due to market forces. The meddling by the public sector now does anything but guarantee its future. However there are some meaningful contracts being agreed (that were already there pre-2019) that mean the airport has a good stream of aviation revenue.

DSA doesn’t share this. Peel purchased Teesside and built DSA on the back of their success at Liverpool. It’s often ignored but is a key aspect of the history of DSA (and Teesside), Peel believed they had a USP over and above the established competition and that was the low-cost operating ethos. Unfortunately for DSA and Teesside by the time Peel got going on those, the Manchesters, Newcastles and even Leeds Bradfords had fully gotten on board with the then future of air travel. The protectionism over legacy carriers and IT Charter operators had ended, and we then saw the floodgates open to easyjet, Ryanair and Jet2 which meant that the one thing Teesside was purchased for, and the entire premise behind building DSA was simply null and void.

Even with the steep growth in air travel over the last 20-30 years, the growth patterns have followed a similar path to the old world. Basically the larger the immediate catchment area the busier the airport. Liverpool was previously (until the mid-90’s) relatively held back due to its proximity to Manchester. The single reason it’s a success today is due to the easyjet/Ryanait partnerships that emerged before Manchester opened the floodgates. It does of course have a very strong immediate catchment area and Liverpool does attract inbound tourism. The same cannot be said for Doncaster or Teesside.

The fact that this crucial bit of history is completely forgotten about means that we have people saying the same stuff they were saying 20 odd years ago about the ‘long runway’ and how it’s apparently close to 6 million people so should be successful. It wasn’t last time, it won’t be this time. All because Peel made a major error of judgement.
Although despite the recent good news re Teesside in terms of contracts it still loses £3-4mn a year.
 

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Although despite the recent good news re Teesside in terms of contracts it still loses £3-4mn a year.
Think it’s more than that, but who knows.. When the ‘private sector partner’ divests their shares and the mayor decides to gift it to a ‘charitable trust’ the scrutiny usually afforded is simply brushed aside. Is it legal? Well yes, but when the ‘charitable trust’ has apparently so far donated £1700.00 then it would suggest ethics aren’t at the forefront of this particular venture.

You will notice too that legally MME (Teesside) will have made a profit this year. Not because things have suddenly been turned around, no it’s because the airport received a public grant of £10million so this year it’s in profit! Legal? Yes. Ethical? Well you decide.
 

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Think it’s more than that, but who knows.. When the ‘private sector partner’ divests their shares and the mayor decides to gift it to a ‘charitable trust’ the scrutiny usually afforded is simply brushed aside. Is it legal? Well yes, but when the ‘charitable trust’ has apparently so far donated £1700.00 then it would suggest ethics aren’t at the forefront of this particular venture.

You will notice too that legally MME (Teesside) will have made a profit this year. Not because things have suddenly been turned around, no it’s because the airport received a public grant of £10million so this year it’s in profit! Legal? Yes. Ethical? Well you decide.
As Tees Valley resident I'm spitting feathers at the amount of public money being burned on our airport. One of the reasons I'm so keen for Doncaster to not get off the ground so the good residents of Doncaster and South Yorkshire don't also see a load of cash get burned for no reason!
 

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The Yorkshire Post are now back to covering in detail the DSA deal, after being given a copy of the lease between Peel and the airport company.

Unfortunately its behind a pay wall, but link below to just one piece they have run this week.

For anyone unable to view - in summary:

CDC have agreed a lease that includes;

20% of all turnover being paid to Peel on top of the lease payments. This includes any public grants that FlyDoncaster receives.

A performance target of 2.3 million passengers and 25,000 tonnes of freight m per year by 2036 and this must be maintained with break clause every 5 years thereafter.

Part of the agreement was to grant planning permission for houses and retail on three separate sites. This included one site that was granted permission to build 1400 houses, 200 above the local plan, which was approved in November.

Meanwhile, though the councillors were aware that the issuing of Gainshare was conditional on the terms of lease being renegotiated, they hadn’t actually been shown the terms of the lease and so blindly voted in good faith to approve a loan of £57million in November to front load the reopening costs.

Makes sense now why the subsidy hasn’t been registered yet! Negotiations with Peel over the terms have apparently been ‘positively progressing’ for 5 months!
 

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Turnover rather than profit is indicative in and of itself.
I thought that. What's that old advice given to actors? Take a percentage of the gross box office not the profit? Same applies here I reckon. I think Peel have played it very sensible asking for a percentage of the turnover not profit. Because they're ain't gonna be much to be seen.
 

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Turnover rents aren't unusual, especially for shopping centres etc or for businesses where income may not be certain.

I can certainly see it being a sensible option for an airport with an uncertain income and no profit (which is easy to reduce anyway), for decades.
 

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Turnover rents aren't unusual, especially for shopping centres etc or for businesses where income may not be certain.

I can certainly see it being a sensible option for an airport with an uncertain income and no profit (which is easy to reduce anyway), for decades.
The contentious issue to my mind is the targets for passengers and freight. The passenger targets are, in ten years from now, over a million passengers per year MORE than they were at the peak in 2019 of DSA 1.0, even this wasn’t sustainable. To put it another way, they’d probably need at least two major base agreements in place with at least 7 based aircraft of 737-800 or A320 series capacity! It’s not clear when the ‘full reopening’ is planned to take place, so far they’re saying late 2027 but since passenger airlines rarely start new routes from scratch during winter the best case scenario is 2028. So that would give the airport 8 years to meet the targets which are around twice the average throughput of the 17 years it was previously open.

Given that this information will now be in the hands of the airlines, I do wonder whether confidence will be completely lost and in most cases lost forever! Not only that, but it’s quite clear the airport will never become self sustaining.
 

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Not only will the airport apparently be serving emerging markets like Azerbaijan but apparently ‘Kazerbaijan’ too..

Proof, if any where needed, that this is a farce.
 

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Not sure if there's anything new here in Doncaster Free Press, but as long as Peel own the freehold they must hold the whip hand. They aren't in this as an act of charity. See,

Doncaster Council silent after further airport lease leak allows councillors to side-step "gag order"​

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.u...-of-doncaster-sheffield-airport-lease-5611978Doncaster Council silent after further airport lease leak allows councillors to side-step "gag order"
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By Harry Harrison
Local Democracy Reporter
Published 25th Feb 2026, 17:07 GMT


The City of Doncaster Council has remained silent after dozens of pages from the confidential lease agreement with the Peel Group for Doncaster Sheffield Airport (DSA) was leaked on social media.
Screenshots of pages and, at one stage, a downloadable PDF were posted on local Facebook groups over the weekend and on Monday, February 23, 2026.
Not all pages in the DSA lease between Doncaster Council and Peel are contained within the screenshots or downloadable file, however, the Local Democracy Reporting Service (LDRS) confirmed the pages were included in the documents leaked to the media in January 2026.


The LDRS approached Doncaster Council asking for the latest leak, but did not receive any response.
by Taboola


The DSA lease agreed in March 2024 has been leaked on social media.

The DSA lease agreed in March 2024 has been leaked on social media. | Tony Johnson

Following the leak to journalists in January, Doncaster Council offered city councillors copies of the lease, so long as they signed an agreement not to discuss the details openly.

The agreement was labelled a “gag order” by opposition councillors who refused to sign.
However, the LDRS understands that some councillors who did not sign the agreement to view the lease were able to download the PDF document leaked on social media.

One of those is the Advance UK group leader, Councillor Nicola Brown, who said she found the document “deeply concerning”.

“As a councillor representing one of the most deprived wards in the borough, I cannot stay silent when public money is being handled in this way,” Cllr Brown, who was elected to represent Adwick & Carcroft in May 2025, said.
“This lease appears to hand significant financial advantage to Peel, the very company that closed our airport, while locking Doncaster taxpayers into escalating costs for generations,” she added.

Councillor Nicola Brown said no opposition councillors signed the “gag order”.

Councillor Nicola Brown said no opposition councillors signed the “gag order”. | Nicola Brown
Reporting by the LDRS and Yorkshire Post in January 2026 revealed a number of clauses in the lease agreement, including break clauses linked to planning approvals and passenger targets higher than the council’s own high-end projections.


The lease is actively being renegotiated, as required by the South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority (SYMCA) in September 2025.
In a recent statement to the LDRS, Mayor Ros Jones said the renegotiations were “progressing well” and “almost completed”.
 

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Not sure if there's anything new here in Doncaster Free Press, but as long as Peel own the freehold they must hold the whip hand. They aren't in this as an act of charity. See,

Doncaster Council silent after further airport lease leak allows councillors to side-step "gag order"​

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.u...-of-doncaster-sheffield-airport-lease-5611978Doncaster Council silent after further airport lease leak allows councillors to side-step "gag order"
You may have noticed a flurry (slurry?) of news in the Yorkshire Post today about the airport. The two council execs. Damien Allen and Christian Foster, have hosted a PR event this week. Anyone would think they were trying to strong arm opinion ahead of the extraordinary audit committee meeting on Thursday followed by extraordinary Full Council on Friday..

The absolutely abhorrent lease? Well it’s ok cos they’re renegotiating innit, and they’re ’close to completing’ a renegotiation. Now call me cynical, but Peel hold all the cards here don’t they? Those terms that are legally binding, the ones that Damien Allen was probably instrumental in negotiating? The ones Ros Jones signed? Well it’s ok they’ll apparently be able to fundamentally change them in their favour. Only this time nobody will have sight of them because they’ll be forced to sign an NDA (gagging order) to actually view them.

Does anyone have any faith in this at all any more? Watch the video of the project lead, Christian Foster, claiming that along with the airport linking up markets in China and UAE, he also envisages demand to a country that doesn’t even exist!

Who let these numpties loose? If anything why are they not utilising MAI for these PR events? At least they know what they’re talking about!
 

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Not only will the airport apparently be serving emerging markets like Azerbaijan but apparently ‘Kazerbaijan’ too..

Proof, if any where needed, that this is a farce.
There is no prospect of DSA having flights to Azerbaijan. To serve what market? They really are getting desperate with this nonsense now.

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You may have noticed a flurry (slurry?) of news in the Yorkshire Post today about the airport. The two council execs. Damien Allen and Christian Foster, have hosted a PR event this week. Anyone would think they were trying to strong arm opinion ahead of the extraordinary audit committee meeting on Thursday followed by extraordinary Full Council on Friday..

The absolutely abhorrent lease? Well it’s ok cos they’re renegotiating innit, and they’re ’close to completing’ a renegotiation. Now call me cynical, but Peel hold all the cards here don’t they? Those terms that are legally binding, the ones that Damien Allen was probably instrumental in negotiating? The ones Ros Jones signed? Well it’s ok they’ll apparently be able to fundamentally change them in their favour. Only this time nobody will have sight of them because they’ll be forced to sign an NDA (gagging order) to actually view them.

Does anyone have any faith in this at all any more? Watch the video of the project lead, Christian Foster, claiming that along with the airport linking up markets in China and UAE, he also envisages demand to a country that doesn’t even exist!

Who let these numpties loose? If anything why are they not utilising MAI for these PR events? At least they know what they’re talking about!
Are MAI still involved? They’ve gone awfully quiet about it
 

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There is no prospect of DSA having flights to Azerbaijan. To serve what market? They really are getting desperate with this nonsense now.

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Are MAI still involved? They’ve gone awfully quiet about it
The entire interview was the sign of someone who was woefully unprepared. The other bloke, Damien Allen, was instrumental in agreeing the lease which we now know has been flagged as far too high risk for a public finance agreement so is apparently subject to renegotiation. I’m not convinced it will be a complete change but we’ll never know as there’s now a gagging order in place.

As for MAI, as far as I’m aware yes. However they’re never mentioned so in what capacity I have no idea.
 
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There is no prospect of DSA having flights to Azerbaijan. To serve what market? They really are getting desperate with this nonsense now.

There will certainly be no flights ‘Kazerbaijan’ as there is no such country.
I have no idea what 'if you think about the Azerbaijans and the Kazerbaijans' just after 4 minutes into the video is supposed to mean.
 
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There will certainly be no flights ‘Kazerbaijan’ as there is no such country.
I have no idea what 'if you think about the Azerbaijans and the Kazerbaijans' just after 4 minutes into the video is supposed to mean.

Exactly, if you’re going to do a promotional video, which one assumes was pre-arranged, you’d think they’d at least take some time to actually prepare for it!

There’s also a bit where he says that so far they’ve employed 40 people, 66 of those being from Yorkshire and the Humber..

There is also this quote:

Many times I get told you know, you look like more of a private sector individual rather than a public sector individual.

He’s also managed to talk about ‘culture, art and a sense of place’ which will somehow increase footfall by a stated 30%. Since when do price sensitive outbound holiday makers or indeed business travellers choose their departure point based on some intangible ‘sense of place’ and how will this increase footfall by 30%? It’s a prime example of how they’re putting the cart before the horse.

Airlines bring in footfall, not culture, art, food and beverage options or indeed a ‘sense of place’. Not many people go to airports to sit in airports, they go to airports to pass through them because they want to arrive at a destination. All this talk of long runways (he claims it’s one of the largest in Europe!) and ancillary services are an after thought.

If this was posted with no context you could be fooled to believe this was some satirical sketch. But it’s not. This is two people effectively wasting hundreds of millions of public funds just so they can add an extra line on their CV!
 
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A sense of place! Obviously this chap's not looked at a map.

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Not only will the airport apparently be serving emerging markets like Azerbaijan but apparently ‘Kazerbaijan’ too..

Proof, if any where needed, that this is a farce.
Thanks for posting this @pug1, one of the funniest things I've seen all week
 
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A sense of place! Obviously this chap's not looked at a map.

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Thanks for posting this @pug1, one of the funniest things I've seen all week
I expect they’ll have greyhound tracks, flat cap stalls, a local brass band at the entrance, a Robin Reliant hanging from the ceiling and an on site colliery to give it that ‘sense of place’?

I’ve got a DN postcode so Im allowed to say that, right?
 

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I expect they’ll have greyhound tracks, flat cap stalls, a local brass band at the entrance, a Robin Reliant hanging from the ceiling and an on site colliery to give it that ‘sense of place’?

I’ve got a DN postcode so Im allowed to say that, right?
:lol:
 

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The absolutely abhorrent lease? Well it’s ok cos they’re renegotiating innit, and they’re ’close to completing’ a renegotiation. Now call me cynical, but Peel hold all the cards here don’t they? Those terms that are legally binding, the ones that Damien Allen was probably instrumental in negotiating? The ones Ros Jones signed?
The Isle of Man Government still won't admit how much their new Liverpool ferry terminal cost, but rumour on the street is that it is north of £100m.

That was "renegotiated" with Peel Holdings too...

John Whittaker must have seen Doncaster Council coming a mile off.
 

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There will certainly be no flights ‘Kazerbaijan’ as there is no such country.
I have no idea what 'if you think about the Azerbaijans and the Kazerbaijans' just after 4 minutes into the video is supposed to mean.
I suspect he meant Kazakhstan as Almaty has a growing role as a hub, as does Baku in Azerbaijan. However we're still talking about fantasy and entirely unquantified demand here. Most flights that use them are either cargo (and so will use the far better connected and profitable EMA in preference if to the UK, but they don't currently fly here, flights go to/from Liege or Luxembourg) or flights within Asia, including Russia or China.

If there was any kind of UK market to these destinations airlines would already be exploiting it, although most that fly from the UK don't want to overfly Russia. There are currently no direct flights from the UK to either. It's almost as if he's picked two countries out of thin air...
 
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