Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates

[liamf656]

810010 on the 0700 from Sheffield has suffered a “problem with the on-board safety systems” according to realtimetrains, and terminated in plat3 at Chesterfield.

Realtime Trains | 1C17 0700 Sheffield to Chesterfield | 22/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 1C17 0700 departure from Sheffield to Chesterfield on 22/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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TPWS issues

 

[Merle Haggard]

To be fair, it's not just the new stock that's failing - a Corby has been cancelled due to a 'problem with the train'.

 

[Railperf]

To be fair, it's not just the new stock that's failing - a Corby has been cancelled due to a 'problem with the train'.

You cannot compare the two . The 360s are a quality established product . There was a time that the class 360s were one of the most reliable fleets in the country.
Could it be that the servicing and maintenance regime is different from that of the previous operator?

 

[Merle Haggard]

You cannot compare the two . The 360s are a quality established product . There was a time that the class 360s were one of the most reliable fleets in the country.
Could it be that the servicing and maintenance regime is different from that of the previous operator?

I have to use the Corby service from Wellingborough now, to connect with Inter-City services to the North. I notice that failures of 360s occur pretty much daily; 'problem with the traction equipment' 'problem with the doors' being the usual. On other occasions the service is a single 4 car presumably the result of a failure that's only affected one set (obviously not a problem for the small numbers of passengers conveyed at this point). You can confirm this by looking at RTT.

I haven't noticed a change in the level of cancellations to 360s over the passage of time - it's neither improved nor deteriorated. Some days there's been two circuit workings missing due to these failures.

An interesting contract with the Cl 350's I also use, from Northampton, and failures on them were very rare, but even these have gone down the hill recently, with, for example, a pair stranding their unfortunate passengers for about 4 hours just South of Northampton recently ('a problem with the brakes'). And a few 'problem with the doors'.

Some of the cl 360 problems must reflect poor maintenance rather than design, I accept - air conditioning / heating not working, the tired seats with different moquette patterns, the dirty carpets, unwashed windows are also symptoms of lack of attention - but the seats, too narrow even for someone with a healthy BMI, are down to design. Curious that both classes 350 and 360 are maintained at the same depot.


Edit; both the 10.10. and the 10.40 Corby - St Pancras cancelled today due to 360 failures.

 

[DannyMich2018]

Yesterday morning a 10 car 222 had one engine out leaving Leicester, the next train 10 mins later (10.45) which i was on needed a reboot and was late leaving Leicester (2 x 222) so 222s getting poor too not to mention filthy condition exterior.

To be fair, it's not just the new stock that's failing - a Corby has been cancelled due to a 'problem with the train'.

 

[GoneSouth]

Yesterday morning a 10 car 222 had one engine out leaving Leicester, the next train 10 mins later (10.45) which i was on needed a reboot and was late leaving Leicester (2 x 222) so 222s getting poor too not to mention filthy condition exterior.

I don’t often have a ride in a 222 but did so last week and found it quite nice inside. Presumably this is one of the refurbished units with gray seats. The lighting was calming and the carpet relatively clean.

 

[Railperf]

both the 10.10. and the 10.40 Corby - St Pancras cancelled today due to 360 failures.

I don't recall 360 failures until the last few months of running on Greater Anglia - where the reduction in reliability seemed to coincide with efforts to get the new fleets in service

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Looks like 810 010 has missed resuming its diagram with the 1310 Derby to Sheffield. So unless some alternative traction is found, the 1400 Sheffield to St Pancras will be cancelled again! No indication it will start from Derby southbound at this stage.

 

[99009]

Just for the sake of recording bits of history, last week saw the 810's operate in passenger service via Beighton Jn for the 1st time, as the Chesterfield - Sheffield via Dronfield route was closed overnight for routine maintenance.

810006 worked 1F85 St Pancras - Sheffield and 5F85 Sheffield - Etches Park on this route in the early hours of Tuesday 16th Decemeber 2025. 810010 then did the same on Wednesday 17th December 2025 and 810012 also did this on Friday 19th December 2025.

810012 also became the 1st 810 to use Platform 3 at Chesterfield while in passenger service (reason unknown) when working 1F32 St Pancras - Sheffield on Friday 19th December 2025.

Back to today and 810010 along with 810012 are out covering the 2 diagrams; so far so good!

 

[Pippy1505]

Only 1 810 out today 810010
1B07 0549 Nottm-Pancs / 1F15 0803 Pancs-Sheff / 1C38 1035 Sheff-Pancs / 1F40 1302 Pancs - Sheff / 1D66 1805 Pancs - Nottm

 

[720144]

Only 1 810 out today 810010
1B07 0549 Nottm-Pancs / 1F15 0803 Pancs-Sheff / 1C38 1035 Sheff-Pancs / 1F40 1302 Pancs - Sheff / 1D66 1805 Pancs - Nottm

810011 is now appearing on rtt, booked to work 3A25 on test from Derby to Wellingborough & 3A26 back to Etches.

 

[Dood75]

810012 was allocated earlier to 1C17 etc according to RTT but has since been swapped out for a Meridian

 

[Railperf]

810012 was allocated earlier to 1C17 etc according to RTT but has since been swapped out for a Meridian

Seems to be a bit of difficulty getting both class 810 diagrams reliably filled on a daily basis. Unit 006 seems to be the most unreliable so far. Hopefully the arrival of a fourth passenger usable unit will help.

 

[liamf656]

Seems to be a bit of difficulty getting both class 810 diagrams reliably filled on a daily basis. Unit 006 seems to be the most unreliable so far. Hopefully the arrival of a fourth passenger usable unit will help.

We have 5 units. 011/013 haven't yet seen service however

 

[720144]

810006 & 010 is booked back into service today.

 

[liamf656]

810006 & 010 is booked back into service today.

Is it worth sharing these updates in the allocations thread to prevent clogging this one up?

 

[43095john]

810012 also became the 1st 810 to use Platform 3 at Chesterfield while in passenger service (reason unknown) when working 1F32 St Pancras - Sheffield on Friday 19th December 2025.

Reason it used P3 on the 19th was due to multiple services being held back at Chesterfield due to a operational incident involving a Freight train at Sheffield. Was sent on the move 20ish late once the issue cleared

 

[Merle Haggard]

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If I had a sound level meter, I would be very interested to see what the sound levels are in the passenger saloon in certain areas because this is potentially headache causing.

It's a difficult sound to pinpoint the cause of because it also doesn't seem to be present when the train is stationary. And it does seem to build up when the train is under power in both electric and diesel modes.
I was wondering whether it might be something to do with the aerodynamics. But as mentioned earlier, it does seem to disappear during the neutral sections while the ventilation fans keep running.
Next time I'll have to sit in another vehicle or sit in a different location in the same vehicle to see if It is louder or quieter elsewhere.
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Regarding the background low frequency 'thrums you mention; my experience travelling in the front car of an Up 807 (E or J), underneath the working pantograph, is that there's a 'thrum' - sounds like a kazoo - when power is being drawn. It briefly stops going through neutral sections, but, as you describe, it is at a constant level regardless of speed. Loud enough to be intrusive, particularly in the seats immediately underneath the pantograph well.

I think it must be caused by some part of electrical power transmission - particular evidence being it disappears when no current is being drawn. I wonder if this is the explanation of what you describe, though of course it wouldn't be the case North of Market Harborough.

 

[Richard Scott]

Regarding the background low frequency 'thrums you mention; my experience travelling in the front car of an Up 807 (E or J), underneath the working pantograph, is that there's a 'thrum' - sounds like a kazoo - when power is being drawn. It briefly stops going through neutral sections, but, as you describe, it is at a constant level regardless of speed. Loud enough to be intrusive, particularly in the seats immediately underneath the pantograph well.

I think it must be caused by some part of electrical power transmission - particular evidence being it disappears when no current is being drawn. I wonder if this is the explanation of what you describe, though of course it wouldn't be the case North of Market Harborough.

Transformer noise?

 

[Merle Haggard]

Transformer noise?

Thanks, it could be.
I thought the sound coincided with whether the (end) car I was in was under a working pantograph, although I'm not completely sure. Difficult to decide where the sound comes from but it's definitely more intrusive in the seats at the innermost end.
Are there transformers for each pantograph? i.e. transformer not in use when pan is down.

 

[99009]

Reason it used P3 on the 19th was due to multiple services being held back at Chesterfield due to a operational incident involving a Freight train at Sheffield. Was sent on the move 20ish late once the issue cleared

Cheers for that gen, much appreciated.

For anyone interested, 810006 and 810010 were out today and as far as I can tell without any issues requiring them to be removed from service.

 

[Railperf]

Thanks, it could be.
I thought the sound coincided with whether the (end) car I was in was under a working pantograph, although I'm not completely sure. Difficult to decide where the sound comes from but it's definitely more intrusive in the seats at the innermost end.
Are there transformers for each pantograph? i.e. transformer not in use when pan is down.

I thought the main transformer is supposed to be in the middle coach C. And vehicles B and D are the ones with motored axles underneath.
I was in coach A at the table seats.
I recall Class 315 EmUs having a low frequency hum when power was being applied. I would say this is a similar sound, but seems to be evident most of the time the train is on the move except for neutral sections and seemingly when at a stand. And seemingly in diesel mode too.

 

[AM9]

I thought the main transformer is supposed to be in the middle coach C. And vehicles B and D are the ones with motored axles underneath.
I was in coach A at the table seats.
I recall Class 315 EmUs having a low frequency hum when power was being applied. I would say this is a similar sound, but seems to be evident most of the time the train is on the move except for neutral sections and seemingly when at a stand. And seemingly in diesel mode too.

The power drawn by a 80x, even when coasting is far greater the that by a class 317. It's mainly down to the hotel load, including full air conditioning to and even ,,when braking causing regen. A 31x draws very little when coasting, braking or just standing.

 

[720144]

810011 is booked on DY701. Subject to if it doesn’t swap soon.

Swapped to 012 in the last minute.

 

[TransportHub]

Has anyone else noticed the passenger loading screens don't really reflect actual loadings? I'm on 810012 at the moment, the screen says the rear 4 coaches are green and 50% full. However every seat is taken and there are people standing down the aisle. Is this just a one off or is the calibration really that far off?

 

[Railperf]

Has anyone else noticed the passenger loading screens don't really reflect actual loadings? I'm on 810012 at the moment, the screen says the rear 4 coaches are green and 50% full. However every seat is taken and there are people standing down the aisle. Is this just a one off or is the calibration really that far off?

Yes, 810006 was full and standing throughout on my last trip from Kettering into London but the display indicated only coach E as full but showing train lightly loaded in coaches A to D.

 

[Amos390]

Went on some 810s yesterday, and noticed that even though they are supposedly higher capacity than the 222s, all the 810s were full and standing from Derby (headed south), whereas the 222s operating the same route with the same calling points were barely filling, is there any reason as to why the 810s are so full or is it just a mix of new trains, people want to ride them and maybe the time of day?

 

[AM9]

Went on some 810s yesterday, and noticed that even though they are supposedly higher capacity than the 222s, all the 810s were full and standing from Derby (headed south), whereas the 222s operating the same route with the same calling points were barely filling, is there any reason as to why the 810s are so full or is it just a mix of new trains, people want to ride them and maybe the time of day?

I doubt whether the many passengers would discriminate between them and even fewer would eschew the 222s' seats to experience standing however new the 810s are.

 

[Amos390]

Also, another question I had, now that EMR have 810s number 006, 010, 011, 012 and 013 that are passenger ready, What's going to happen to 008 and 009, they clearly don't need them for driver training as that seems to have finished, but if I recall they are not fit for passengers. Will they be redone to be fit for passengers at Derby Etches or will they return to Newton Aycliffe?

As well as that, is there any update on how GBRf are getting along with 810003 and 004 on tests out of Old Dalby, and what they are testing for with them?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

 

[liamf656]

Also, another question I had, now that EMR have 810s number 006, 010, 011, 012 and 013 that are passenger ready, What's going to happen to 008 and 009, they clearly don't need them for driver training as that seems to have finished, but if I recall they are not fit for passengers. Will they be redone to be fit for passengers at Derby Etches or will they return to Newton Aycliffe?

As well as that, is there any update on how GBRf are getting along with 810003 and 004 on tests out of Old Dalby, and what they are testing for with them?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

008/009 I believe are going back to Newton Aycliffe to be made passenger ready. Just as a side note staff training is ongoing well into 2026, whether that's with dedicated runs or with trains in service I'm not so sure

In regards to 003/004 I'm not sure but 001 is back at Aycliffe

 

[Wymondham]

810012 seems to have had its plans for today changed, the 1705 Nottingham has been changed to a 222, with 810012 now destined to Sheffield according to the external destination screen. Does anyone know what happened?