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European Train Stations you have felt most uneasy visiting

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Richard Scott

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Paris Gard du Nord and Bucuresti Gara de Nord and areas around them are two I like the least, peculiar coincidence with the names?
However, Naples has to rank as the worst in my opinion, really nasty vibe around there.
 
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Another vote for Brussels Midi, very sketchy in my opinion and Hansaring one stop away from Koln HBF made me clutch onto my belongings extra tight!
 

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Some of the places mentioned above are a little bit gnarly (I pride myself on my tolerance but Frankfurt Bahnhofsviertel can be a bit much even for me) but I’ve only felt actively uncomfortable in one station in Europe and that was Holstebro in Denmark. Very much a “you ain’t from round these parts, stranger” kind of vibe, complete with very uncomfortable staring.
 

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The areas around Budapest Deli and Nyugati felt slightly dodgy when I used them for a few days earlier this year. I certainly felt more comfortable at Bucharest Nord, which I wasn't expecting!
I walked from Tatabanya station to a nearby Aldi on a previous trip, which didn't feel dodgy but did feel like I'd stepped back in time by a few decades!

The only station where I've been approached by people asking for money etc is Vienna Hbf...

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Milan Lambrate at night will take some beating
I arrived there on a (rather late) NightJet earlier this year. Certainly felt like an "interesting" place, a somewhat desolate, austere station at platform level. Never actually left the station though, so can't comment on the surroundings
 

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Worst experience was at Dresden hbf about 30 years ago. Neo-nazi skinheads patrolling the station openly looking for anyone dark-skinned to beat up. Been back a couple of times since with no issues so it may have been a local "event".

Since then across Europe I have only felt really threatened once at Košice, Slovakia, another station where we got out pretty quick, though one or two Romanian stations have felt a bit dodgy.
 

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Vitrolles Marseille airport station is a graffitied unstaffed halt, and despite the presence of a gang of armed police it still felt pretty unsafe even in daylight.
 

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Another vote for Brussels Midi, very sketchy in my opinion and Hansaring one stop away from Koln HBF made me clutch onto my belongings extra tight!
Another Brussels Midi vote here. Some of the streets outside one of the entrances have plastic urinals attached to lampposts and you have to avoid stepping in human excitement and avert your eyes away from the people actively placing it! The stench is another level.
 

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Another Brussels Midi vote here. Some of the streets outside one of the entrances have plastic urinals attached to lampposts and you have to avoid stepping in human excitement and avert your eyes away from the people actively placing it! The stench is another level.
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Haha yes, a little too exciting around Midi station, Nord isn't a big improvement although much easier on the eye. Central easily the best. I feel sorry for people living near Midi and the metro fiasco hasn't helped. A very Belgian situation. I think familiarity with the language and culture raises the threshold a bit, no Paris stations feel all that bad to me but the same station somewhere else would be scarier. The German cities - especially Hamburg and Frankfurt - can't be beaten for filth, except for Munich which feels quite OK around the Hbf, and Spanish cities seem to have much nicer surroundings for their major stations.
 

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Naples is a bit annoying as if your train is dwelling there, you know you’re going to be accosted by beggars, people trying to sell you stuff and you need to keep a close eye on your possessions. It spoils otherwise serene journeys.

However, the Ciricumvesuviana station below, somehow manages to be even worse.

Paris Gare de Nord had a menacing vibe about it when I visited. As much as I love Milano Centrale, it can also have a frenetic vibe from time to time on the main concourse and I’m extremely wary of pickpockets in some areas at peak times.
 
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I'll also vote for Brussels Midi and Frankfurt Main, but I had the misfortune to visit Brno Hlv late one evening - I witnessed a stand-off between two security guards while the drunks were egging them on.
 

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I think feeling "safe" at a railway station largely depends on your familiarity with it.

Even a rudimentary Google search can bring up layout plans, location of toilets, cafe, ticket office etc.

If you're lugging a case and wandering round and round you're more likely to attract the attention of pickpockets, drunks etc, or take a turn up a blind alley.

I usually do my due diligence then have a plan for when I get off the train. Bucharest Nord which I'd heard was a bit dodgy turned out fine as I'd booked an Uber and knew where I was being picked up.
 

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I think feeling "safe" at a railway station largely depends on your familiarity with it.

Even a rudimentary Google search can bring up layout plans, location of toilets, cafe, ticket office etc.

If you're lugging a case and wandering round and round you're more likely to attract the attention of pickpockets, drunks etc, or take a turn up a blind alley.

I usually do my due diligence then have a plan for when I get off the train. Bucharest Nord which I'd heard was a bit dodgy turned out fine as I'd booked an Uber and knew where I was being picked up.
I think if you look like you know what you're doing you tend to be left alone, or look like you can take care of yourself. I never stop to acknowledge someone if I'm walking through a station or its vicinity. I just think it is a case of using common sense and being a bit street wise
 

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I usually do my due diligence then have a plan for when I get off the train. Bucharest Nord which I'd heard was a bit dodgy turned out fine as I'd booked an Uber and knew where I was being picked up.
That tends to be my approach. Stride purposefully (preferably out of a side entrance) and look as if you know where you’re going until you get to somewhere that looks safe enough to stop and find out where you actually are!
 

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The worst bit about Frankfurt-Main Hbf was that I didn't even have to leave the station to encounter the aggressive beggars. I only had a 20 minute connection but was accosted simply queuing for a bite to eat at one of the food kiosks behind the buffers!
 

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Another Brussels Midi vote here. Some of the streets outside one of the entrances have plastic urinals attached to lampposts and you have to avoid stepping in human excitement and avert your eyes away from the people actively placing it! The stench is another level.
I think I am quite relieved I have never left the concourse of Zuid having guessed this, I mean, half of the figures tend to wander into the station sometimes. And it has always been well known as rife for pickpockets.
 

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Never felt uneasy at any tbh including most mentioned above. Surprised at the mention of Milan which always struck me as quite nice!
 

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Berlin Zoologischer Garten had enough of a reputation in the 70s/80s to have a book (subsequently adapted for television) written about it...
That was mainly due to a cold-war anomaly that left the station itself under the jurisdiction of the GDR railway police while the surrounding area was controlled by West Berlin police who couldn't follow a a suspect into the station premises without setting off an international crisis.
 

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Never felt uneasy at any tbh including most mentioned above. Surprised at the mention of Milan which always struck me as quite nice!
Yeah, also surprised by Milano being mentioned, seemed absolutely fine to me (although I'm sure pickpocketing is common). Lambrate does have a Bruxelles Midi vibe to it at platform level.
Never been to Frankfurt, think thats winning so far!
Paris Gare Du Nord isnt brilliant, but probably suffers from sample size of usage for a GB rail forum. Helps if you know where you are going and already have metro tickets
My most 'interesting' experience there was this year, stranded after missing the last E* home (3 hours delay on LGV Med), small group of 20 or so Britsh tourists, including elderly and young families, stuck on the concourse for 3 hours on a Saturday night waiting for SNCF to sort something out. The SNCF staff (and process) were utterly hopless, E* staff better.
We kind of formed a little encampment of luggage and pushchairs etc. to feel safer from some of the more colourful locals! (Oh, and it was the night of PSGs CL final, so Paris was a little crazy.)
 

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It may well have changed since, but the most uninviting station I've ever had the "joy" of visiting was Belgrade's Karadjordjovic Park. Bad enough in the middle of the afternoon with no discernably dodgy characters about, but I wouldn't fancy waiting for the last train there!

Photo shows the platform area of the station - looking near-derelict - but with rather an attractive ornate bench!
 

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Two points that may at be part of the reason why major stations seem to collect a lot of the less desirable examples of humanity, for want of a better word, one of which applies mainly to Germany. In Germany the Ladenschlussgesetz means that the station area is often the only area in town with shops, light, warmth and people milling about, so it attracts the lonely, both good and bad, out of hours. (I know that the gesetz has been eased, but it has left a legacy.)

Also many areas around major stations developed in the late nineteenth century to serve the needs of travellers, but due the nature of such businesses became rundown, something that was exacerbated by World War II. Even if they have been redeveloped in recent years, they tend to be full of businesses that are either trying to relieve the traveller of his money or close at 17.30, so the only people who live there are those who don’t have much choice. (Smaller towns are different as they often see the square outside the station as the welcoming face of the town to visitors.)

With regard to the difference between airports and railway stations, am I right in thinking that airports often own the land for a considerable distance around the terminal building, whereas a the railway usually owns little but the station building? Therefore the airport on its own can take action to move undesirables well away, whereas the railway can only move them a few yards.

I used to live a street away from Copenhagen Central on the edge of the red light district (actually more in it as my lodging was a cross between a doss house and a knocking shop) in an area that really was the sump of Scandinavia. The station was not too bad as there was a police station in it and a quietly proactive attitude to trouble: they did not want visitors, or anyone else, annoyed and if you did they were in place to rapidly make your day thoroughly unenjoyable. As it was often busy, you still needed to keep your wits around, but it wasn’t threatening. That said, Copenhagen is generally not particularly bad, although there are odd bad bits. (The only place I felt seriously threatened was Oslo, where a short-cut resulted in my running like the clappers to a well-lit area to avoid being mugged.)

As said above and I have said before, your best defence is to look as though you know what you are doing and where you are going. Don’t wander vaguely along with a tourist map held in front of you.
 

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Bucharesti Nord felt a bit seedy but I think that was on looks rather than it was actually dodgy.
 
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Lest this thread puts travellers off Brussels Midi, the Man in Seat 61 recommends (as do I) the Pullman Hotel Bar as an equivalent lounge/bar away from the crowds…
 
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Lest this thread puts travellers off Brussels
Midi, the Man in Seat 61 recommends (as do I) the Pullman Hotel Bar as an equivalent lounge/bar away from the crowds…
We stayed on this hotel last summer when we were changing trains in Brussels overnight. It does allow you to evade the horrors of midi/zuid to some degree. It was while we were staying there that we ventured out to some of the little pockets of old Brussels that still exist. We had to walk back because we mistakenly planned to get a train from a station that unfortunately seemed to be either completely inaccessible from the street or was disused. That's when we witnessed the streets literally full of excrement. Never again.
I'd stay in this hotel without hesitation for an overnight connection (I.e. to Munich). If you are just after a bar to kill time in, the bars outside the main entrance are also civilised enough if you run the gauntlet of passing the trash that hangs around the entrance.
 

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I was amused many years ago to be approached by someone begging at Hamburg station to whom I mumbled that I didnt understand what they were saying to which they immediately switched to fluent English. The last time I travelled from Paris to Zurich there were announcements on the train that there was a pickpocket on board and frequent announcements at Zurich station warning about pickpockets. Never really felt threatened at a station including many mentioned above but have never been to Frankfurt!
 

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I’ve been to many of the stations mentioned here and not felt hugely unsafe, though I’d say they are worth avoiding hanging out too long!

I have used Bruxelles-Midi a lot, and stayed at the ibis a couple of times. The ibis is on the Avenue Fonsny side, near the tram stop. That’s truly a disgusting area, stinking of urine and excrement. The tram stops are full of rubbish and the benches are taken up by people sleeping.
I made the mistake of giving someone eye contact there, then they started shouting at me and gesturing. I’m still not sure what that was all about.
That particular hotel is the only one I’ve stayed in that has security at the door.
The staff must have thought I was wierd when I requested a room facing the station, and I got a good view of the trains, and a greater one of the trams. Watching the people at 1am was even more interesting!

I have also used the Bruxelles-Chapelle and Bruxelles-Congrès stations in the city centre in the late morning a couple of years ago - those two strange stations that only receive an hourly service. Very dystopian, which I found both fascinating and disconcerting at the same time. Unstaffed stations with very uninviting entrances and interiors (well, it was inviting to me, as I like anything dystopian!) If I had someone take a dislike to me at those stations, there wouldn’t be much I could do. I was the only person using the stations for a train, the others were either homeless or drug users. At Congrès it was actually quite difficult getting past the sleeping homeless people to get in the station, which shows how lightly used it is!

Not a train station, but the ‘Metro’ stations in Charleroi were certainly sketchy, particularly Waterloo. That had a gang at the top of the stairs watching everyone. That was the longest 10 minutes waiting for a tram ever!

Frankfurt Hbf and München Hbf stick in my mind as being sketchy. I wanted to spend some time in the evening just walking around the station, like I often do on my trips, but these stations I just wanted to leave.
 
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I was amused many years ago to be approached by someone begging at Hamburg station to whom I mumbled that I didnt understand what they were saying to which they immediately switched to fluent English.
My solution to that problem is to pretend to only speak Swedish. Very few people outside Scandinavia speak it, so you simply keep saying things that they don't understand until they eventually give up. Somewhat amusingly, they might try several languages before reaching this point!
 

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My solution to that problem is to pretend to only speak Swedish. Very few people outside Scandinavia speak it, so you simply keep saying things that they don't understand until they eventually give up. Somewhat amusingly, they might try several languages before reaching this point!

Finnish or Estonian is even more effective.
 
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