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Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates
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Or, where they sit!
If it was up to me, only groups would be able to book reservations. Especially these days with limited numbers of tables available, and the automated settings often giving individual travellers a table, while families with young children end up with pairs of airline seats in different parts of the train.
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I like the fact that some operators offer an unreserved coach or two
It seems to be a good balance.
The fact is that there are some very poor seat layouts on modern trains. You might end up on a coach with mainly backward facing seats or seats with a blank wall next to you rather than a window. So it's good to be able to specify a specific seat where that is available and when you can have enough time in advance to book that.
On the other hand, it is frustrating when you are getting onto a train and there is display telling you that seat is reserved between two particular points but the person who booked that seat is not actually sitting there - either because they didn't turn up or because they chose to sit in another seat. And the reservation system seems to be unable to tell the backseat is no longer occupied and available for others.
I get the feeling that in some countries the train manager can update your seat location when you're sitting in a seat, which is not the one that you're assigned to, so that the seat you originally reserved can be freed up for others.
Certainly feels that way in Italy where the train manager tends to check your reservation code with your actual seat position.
It seems to be a good balance.
The fact is that there are some very poor seat layouts on modern trains. You might end up on a coach with mainly backward facing seats or seats with a blank wall next to you rather than a window. So it's good to be able to specify a specific seat where that is available and when you can have enough time in advance to book that.
On the other hand, it is frustrating when you are getting onto a train and there is display telling you that seat is reserved between two particular points but the person who booked that seat is not actually sitting there - either because they didn't turn up or because they chose to sit in another seat. And the reservation system seems to be unable to tell the backseat is no longer occupied and available for others.
I get the feeling that in some countries the train manager can update your seat location when you're sitting in a seat, which is not the one that you're assigned to, so that the seat you originally reserved can be freed up for others.
Certainly feels that way in Italy where the train manager tends to check your reservation code with your actual seat position.
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On another different, yet OT note, is part of 810002 still in Italy for testing?
Now that 810s have actually entered service, is there a need for 002 still to be there?
Now that 810s have actually entered service, is there a need for 002 still to be there?
002 hasn't yet been seen anywhere in this country so we're not so sure at the moment
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All the 222s have handback dates as do the 810s have planned arrival dates (the latter having more flexibility)
Hopefully the initial teething issues get ironed out for a smoother introduction to the rest of the fleet
Yes, currently staff are carefully diagrammed onto 810s while training is ongoing. The other restriction is that most of the 5 car diagrams involve double units so they can't run as 810s until more of the fleet are in
No reservations is OK if you can quickly get down the platform at St Pancras when the gates are opened, but if you have mobility issues then knowing that you have a reserved seat removes a lot of anxiety. Particularly if you can not risk having to stand for a long time.
andyjhatton
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There are also people with mobility issues (short of needing assistance)
Plenty of people in their 60s and 70s can get around just fine, but can't stand on a moving train for hours.
I'd never advise my mother to get on a XC train, knowing she'd in all likelihood have to stand up.
Plenty of people in their 60s and 70s can get around just fine, but can't stand on a moving train for hours.
I'd never advise my mother to get on a XC train, knowing she'd in all likelihood have to stand up.
QSK19
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It might have joined the Danish IC4 train in Libya!
A couple of carriages of 810002 was seen by myself being loaded onto low loaders several years ago for onward movement to Italy for climate testing.
Since then, nothing has been heard about it and no pictures ever seen.
810013 is currently sat at Darlington and due to work to Etches Park, Derby. This is the latest unit to get delivered.
Realtime Trains | 5Q64 0805 Darlington to Etches Park Sdgs | 20/12/2025
Real-time train running information for 5Q64 0805 departure from Darlington to Etches Park Sdgs on 20/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.www.realtimetrains.co.uk
thegirlchlo
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Just seen this at Sheffield, yes 810013
Railperf
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Oh dear. What caused today's failure?
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STINT47
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Reading about the poor reliability delayed introduction perhaps they should change the trains numbering from class 810 to class 180's.
Or, more likely, not know whether they will be standing or seatedOr, where they sit!
This will actually dissuade people from using trains in the long run.
AndrewJM70
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I wonder if this level of failure is typical for the early days of a new train type?
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I wasn't far wrong really
Perhaps not, however the 810 is the 3rd(?) itteration of the 800 series, clearly Hitachi have lots more work to do to apply lessons learnt and sort out their quality, from simple assembly/build issues, to the more complex capability and supplier quality issues.
Yes, absolutely.
Baring in mind a 810 is basically a new train compared to the earlier 8Xx fleet.
What was the 8XX issues when they were first introduced?
Remember it's not just issues with the build of the train, but also the staff getting used to the way the new train does things. You get issues even when they're old trains transferred in but the staff haven't encountered before their recent training.
Not quite, more a repackaged design using many subsystems from an established in service design. Even the 80x classes inherited the stir friction-welded bodies and much of the bogie design which was originally incorporated in the JR Mini Shinkansen units. Of course there are detail changes within the Hitachi A-train designs both in development and in production processes, so these changes can introduce (or remove) issues that didn't surface previously, notably stress fractures, but there are many similarities throughout the range that ensure a shared experiences in their introductions.
Polarbear
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Only if they start catching fire…(hopefully not).
There has been several 'thermal events' already involving the 810s during the test process.
This is one of the reasons why the are delayed (along with many other reasons).
This is why several units need rewiring.
QSK19
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I always thought it was a curse that they share the same numbers as those in 180!
eastwestdivide
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810010 on the 0700 from Sheffield has suffered a “problem with the on-board safety systems” according to realtimetrains, and terminated in plat3 at Chesterfield.
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Realtime Trains | 1C17 0700 Sheffield to Chesterfield | 22/12/2025
Real-time train running information for 1C17 0700 departure from Sheffield to Chesterfield on 22/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk