Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates

[QSK19]

When the Nottingham stopper is running late it's usual to make it express to Nottingham from Leicester. Passengers for Loughborough and E.M.Parkway are advised to change to the immediately following Sheffield (which is also a stopper on the service pattern ). Beeston passengers are advised to stay on the train to Nottingham, and remain on it when it returns towards London, to travel to Beeston - the down 'stopper' forms the next up 'stopper'.

It was in the other direction actually - it was a non-stopper from Nottingham to Leicester.

But, thanks for the info - I assume it’s the same sort of idea towards STP.

 

[800001]

When the Nottingham stopper is running late it's usual to make it express to Nottingham from Leicester. Passengers for Loughborough and E.M.Parkway are advised to change to the immediately following Sheffield (which is also a stopper on the service pattern ). Beeston passengers are advised to stay on the train to Nottingham, and remain on it when it returns towards London, to travel to Beeston - the down 'stopper' forms the next up 'stopper'.

There's a strange detail with the 810 lavatories. On the 805s (for instance) the lavatories, when vacant, have the open and close buttons illuminated (yellow light). When they're occupied, these lights go out and a red 'Occupied' light appears above them. On the 810 (at least the one I travelled on) when occupied there's not only the red 'Occupied light' but the two door buttons below both change to red. This means that, in these circumstances, there are three red lights vertically; very similar to the display on, for example, a Pendolino when the toilet is out of order. Gives the impression it's not worth waiting.

And yet people will still stand trying to open door when it's occupied.

 

[sharpley]

810010 currently sat at Leicester platform 2 awaiting an engineer to fix a fault. It's the 1406 to Sheffield

 

[eastwestdivide]

810010 currently sat at Leicester platform 2 awaiting an engineer to fix a fault. It's the 1406 to Sheffield

Gah! I'm waiting at Chesterfield to sample it to Sheffield. The board says "delayed". Not sure I can wait. Oh well, next time.

 

[tram21]

We are on the move now!

 

[sharpley]

Gah! I'm waiting at Chesterfield to sample it to Sheffield. The board says "delayed". Not sure I can wait. Oh well, next time.

'waiting for an engineer' is what was announced to the passengers. Not sure how long that will take. I've just left Leicester on another service and it's still blocking platform 2

 

[Railperf]

'waiting for an engineer' is what was announced to the passengers. Not sure how long that will take. I've just left Leicester on another service and it's still blocking platform 2

Seems to have got going 19 mins late from Leicester, but seemingly losing more time?

 

[wallw0617]

810010 currently sat at Leicester platform 2 awaiting an engineer to fix a fault. It's the 1406 to Sheffield

Boards at Sheffield say no accessible toilet available so can only imagine the loos are out of order again

 

[eastwestdivide]

Seemed quick off the mark from Chesterfield. GPS showing high 80s mph most of the way to the summit tunnel.(Line speed limit is 90 on that stretch)

Pretty quiet and a smooth enough ride in the front coach.

Start to stop Chesterfield to Sheffield platform 5 in 12m06s, clear run (if a little cautious into Sheffield I thought), chilly but dry outside.

Edited to add: waiting in the platform at Sheffield for its return journey, most of the diesels are off, with I think only one supplying auxiliary power.

 

[sharpley]

Boards at Sheffield say no accessible toilet available so can only imagine the loos are out of order again

It was saying the same at Leicester too

 

[eastwestdivide]

It was saying the same at Leicester too

Everywhere I expect. Here's Chesterfield, also showing it as "EMR Aurora".

 

[tfw756rider]

And yet people will still stand trying to open door when it's occupied.

And it's always "someone's in there". Maybe they should have a "someone's in there" indicator, rather than "engaged".

 

[Merle Haggard]

It's fair to say that the 222s also often have toilets locked out of use, to the extent that EMR have produced self-adhesive vinyls in house plum colour and font stating this fact, to be stuck on the doors. Their use suggests that repairing them will not overnight, but in my experience, it's much more common to encounter out-of-order toilets on EMR Inter City trains than either LNw or Avanti, for example. And, even when they are open, the bingo board of water/soap/dryer working may not be achieved.

 

[Kneedown]

Edited to add: waiting in the platform at Sheffield for its return journey, most of the diesels are off, with I think only one supplying auxiliary power.

That's perfectly normal. Two engines will shut down in diesel mode when the Driver shuts the control desk down to change ends.
It's just a bit of a pain having to remember to restart them when you change ends, in addition to inputting the journey, and other things that you didn't have to do on a 222.
Still a decent unit from a Driver's point of view though. A few niggles, but thus far Driver feedback has generally been overwhelmingly positive.

 

[liamf656]

14/12/25 -

DY702 - 810006
5C16 0954 XEP SHF 1054
1C16 1132 SHF STP 1407
1F21 1429 STP DBY 1610
1C36 1626 DBY STP 1809
1F44 1832 STP DBY 2008
5F44 2020 DBY XEP 2033

DY703 - 810010
5A56 1008 XEP DBY 1021
2A56 1026 DBY NOT 1050
1B12 1110 NOT STP 1254
1F24 1502 STP SHF 1741
1C53 1827 SHF STP 2108
1F62 2202 STP SHF 0035
5F62 0046 SHF XEP 0148

 

[Nym]

That's perfectly normal. Two engines will shut down in diesel mode when the Driver shuts the control desk down to change ends.
It's just a bit of a pain having to remember to restart them when you change ends, in addition to inputting the journey, and other things that you didn't have to do on a 222.
Still a decent unit from a Driver's point of view though. A few niggles, but thus far Driver feedback has generally been overwhelmingly positive.

One would have thought that for something that automatic that isn't self evident by most of the lights going off, would be automatic in the reverse in that when the driver keyed on at the other end it would automatically restart the Generator Units that were shut down?

Apologies, I realise that is a highly logical and human factors friendly approach, so it wouldn't be done in this country.

 

[Merle Haggard]

And yet people will still stand trying to open door when it's occupied.

As I said earlier, when the toilet is occupied, the indicator shows 'occupied' and the door open and door close button surrounds are red. Out of curiosity, does anyone know what indicates that the toilet is out of order rather than just occupied. There's no more red lights to show!. Personally, when I saw the row of red lights I assumed, wrongly, that it was defective (low expectations) and went elsewhere, and I was surprised, passing it on my return, that it had become available.

It was in the other direction actually - it was a non-stopper from Nottingham to Leicester.

But, thanks for the info - I assume it’s the same sort of idea towards STP.

It doesn't work so neatly on the Up, though; on the Down, the Sheffield and Nottingham stoppers are in the same half of the patter but, on the Up the Nottingham stopper is followed by a Sheffield fast. (realised that the hard way once when evicted from a failed Up Nottingham at Loughborough and had a long wait....)

 

[eastwestdivide]

That's perfectly normal. Two engines will shut down in diesel mode when the Driver shuts the control desk down to change ends.

Good to know. It was noticeably less noisy than other trains when sitting in the platform

 

[Trainman40083]

As I said earlier, when the toilet is occupied, the indicator shows 'occupied' and the door open and door close button surrounds are red. Out of curiosity, does anyone know what indicates that the toilet is out of order rather than just occupied. There's no more red lights to show!. Personally, when I saw the row of red lights I assumed, wrongly, that it was defective (low expectations) and went elsewhere, and I was surprised, passing it on my return, that it had become available.



It doesn't work so neatly on the Up, though; on the Down, the Sheffield and Nottingham stoppers are in the same half of the patter but, on the Up the Nottingham stopper is followed by a Sheffield fast. (realised that the hard way once when evicted from a failed Up Nottingham at Loughborough and had a long wait....)

Should be a special indicator for "fare dodger"

 

[Kneedown]

One would have thought that for something that automatic that isn't self evident by most of the lights going off, would be automatic in the reverse in that when the driver keyed on at the other end it would automatically restart the Generator Units that were shut down?

Apologies, I realise that is a highly logical and human factors friendly approach, so it wouldn't be done in this country.

It's actually quite logical. If, for instance, one were to work an 810 on a Corby terminator, then, daft as it sounds, we still have to switch to diesel at Glendon, even though the wires go all the way to Corby, as if we don't then the previously mentioned "Goalkeepers" will do it for us. But on changing ends at Corby we are able to switch to electric.
The other additional checks are not something that could really be automated as it's something the Driver has to do and see.
Yes, it's a bit of a faff at the minute, but we'll soon get the hang of the procedure the more 810 turns we work, and it'll become more fluid.

 

[Snow1964]

It's actually quite logical. If, for instance, one were to work an 810 on a Corby terminator, then, daft as it sounds, we still have to switch to diesel at Glendon, even though the wires go all the way to Corby, as if we don't then the previously mentioned "Goalkeepers" will do it for us. But on changing ends at Corby we are able to switch to electric.

Not logical at all, if the 360s can go through to Corby on electric, why would they install goalkeepers to prevent use on electric. If it is because of engine warm up then there is a problem with the process that requires engines to be turned on even when going to a fully electric terminating point.

GWR don't start engines after passing Royal Wootten Bassett (junction) when taking Chippenham line, in fact it feels like many trains coast towards Chippenham for last bit of wires, and often hear diesels start up almost as wires run out. So why has EMR opted for different technique.

Someone hasn't thought this though fully, and the pan down should be just after Corby station, even if it meant half mile of overrun wire beyond the station.

 

[Merle Haggard]

It's actually quite logical. If, for instance, one were to work an 810 on a Corby terminator, then, daft as it sounds, we still have to switch to diesel at Glendon, even though the wires go all the way to Corby, as if we don't then the previously mentioned "Goalkeepers" will do it for us. But on changing ends at Corby we are able to switch to electric.
The other additional checks are not something that could really be automated as it's something the Driver has to do and see.
Yes, it's a bit of a faff at the minute, but we'll soon get the hang of the procedure the more 810 turns we work, and it'll become more fluid.

There's a daily Inter City working to and from Melton. How will that work, I wonder, when it goes to 810.

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Should be a special indicator for "fare dodger"

In the old days, fare dodgers did not lock the door when inside, to conceal their presence. It's why travelling ticket collectors used to slam the toilet door open with some force if it showed 'vacant' on the assumption (?hope) that any hiding fare dodger would be standing just behind the door...

 

[Kneedown]

Not logical at all, if the 360s can go through to Corby on electric, why would they install goalkeepers to prevent use on electric. If it is because of engine warm up then there is a problem with the process that requires engines to be turned on even when going to a fully electric terminating point.
Someone hasn't thought this though fully, and the pan down should be just after Corby station, even if it meant half mile of overrun wire beyond the stastation

Well, it's logical for the infrastructure that is in place, and I only used Corby as an example.
You would need to extend the wires well beyond the junction for the platform, as there is insufficient overlap currently to complete a power change.
Ultimately though, it's about preventing too many diesels running when the train is at a stand, wasting fuel.
Another example would be, change ends at Sheffield, the Driver may want to key in to get the cab set up, and the correct trip entered into the TMS, but still with a while before departure, so doesn't want the engines starting just yet.

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There's a daily Inter City working to and from Melton. How will that work, I wonder, when it goes to 810.

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Diesel Melton to Corby, Pan up at Corby.
Power Changeover at Glendon in the Down direction.

 

[D365]

Another example would be, change ends at Sheffield, the Driver may want to key in to get the cab set up, and the correct trip entered into the TMS, but still with a while before departure, so doesn't want the engines starting just yet.

Does the Hitachi TMS receive any data pertaining to the diagram that the train is working?

 

[Kneedown]

Does the Hitachi TMS receive any data pertaining to the diagram that the train is working?

The service and stopping pattern are programmed in, but the headcode must be input by the Driver, and we still need to confirm the correct stopping pattern, and edit if necessary.

 

[Merle Haggard]

Well, it's logical for the infrastructure that is in place, and I only used Corby as an example.
You would need to extend the wires well beyond the junction for the platform, as there is insufficient overlap currently to complete a power change.
Ultimately though, it's about preventing too many diesels running when the train is at a stand, wasting fuel.
Another example would be, change ends at Sheffield, the Driver may want to key in to get the cab set up, and the correct trip entered into the TMS, but still with a while before departure, so doesn't want the engines starting just yet.

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Diesel Melton to Corby, Pan up at Corby.
Power Changeover at Glendon in the Down direction.

Thanks, but couldn't the power changeover on the Down be done while standing in the platform at Corby? - the Melton trains all call there. Or do changeovers have to be done automatically, so necessarily on the move?

 

[duffield]

There's a daily Inter City working to and from Melton. How will that work, I wonder, when it goes to 810.

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In the old days, fare dodgers did not lock the door when inside, to conceal their presence. It's why travelling ticket collectors used to slam the toilet door open with some force if it showed 'vacant' on the assumption (?hope) that any hiding fare dodger would be standing just behind the door...

I've already asked this question and got no feedback, but as we're on the toilet topic maybe you will know this:

Where is the at seat "Toilet occupied" indicator? The 222s have an indicator at the end of each carriage showing occupancy for the nearest toilet, surely the 810s have one? So why can't I see it? Am I just being daft and missing something obvious? Or do you really have to get up and walk to the toilet to find out if it's in use?

 

[Merle Haggard]

I've already asked this question and got no feedback, but as we're on the toilet topic maybe you will know this:

Where is the at seat "Toilet occupied" indicator? The 222s have an indicator at the end of each carriage showing occupancy for the nearest toilet, surely the 810s have one? So why can't I see it? Am I just being daft and missing something obvious? Or do you really have to get up and walk to the toilet to find out if it's in use?

I couldn't see one, either. But perhaps it's some new policy. The reason I say that is I am fairly sure that Coach K in Pendolini had a similar indicator in the bulkhead for the state of the toilet at the K end of coach J, but, if it did exist, it disappeared in the recent refurb.. There certainly isn't one post refurbs.

 

[eastwestdivide]

Looks like another delivery tomorrow, 0836 Merchant Park Sidings to Etches Park Sdgs:

Realtime Trains | 5Q57 0836 Merchant Park Sidings to Etches Park Sdgs | 15/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q57 0836 departure from Merchant Park Sidings to Etches Park Sdgs on 15/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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And also a 1206 Darlington to Etches Park Sdgs:

Realtime Trains | 5Q68 1206 Darlington to Etches Park Sdgs | 15/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q68 1206 departure from Darlington to Etches Park Sdgs on 15/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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which originates at Merchant Park and goes MP-York-Darlington-Etches Park.

Would both actually run?

 

[800001]

Looks like another delivery tomorrow, 0836 Merchant Park Sidings to Etches Park Sdgs:

Realtime Trains | 5Q57 0836 Merchant Park Sidings to Etches Park Sdgs | 15/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q57 0836 departure from Merchant Park Sidings to Etches Park Sdgs on 15/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

And also a 1206 Darlington to Etches Park Sdgs:

Realtime Trains | 5Q68 1206 Darlington to Etches Park Sdgs | 15/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q68 1206 departure from Darlington to Etches Park Sdgs on 15/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

which originates at Merchant Park and goes MP-York-Darlington-Etches Park.

Would both actually run?

One of the paths should be 810011.