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CMA CGM purchase Freightliner UK intermodal unit.

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With all of this, I’m still trying to see how it works with drivers on completely different contracts and two different pays…IM and HH are very different. Do drivers get to keep their enhanced HH salary etc if volunteering to move over?
 
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With all of this, I’m still trying to see how it works with drivers on completely different contracts and two different pays…IM and HH are very different. Do drivers get to keep their enhanced HH salary etc if volunteering to move over?
Yep. It's all under TUPE. No option (currently) to transfer to IM t&c's
 

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Thanks. I can see that being quite a popular option then. Next to no weekends, very palatable shift times, barely get your hands dirty without the lower salary :lol:
Alternatively the ex-HH link could get all the ****e as their T&C's allow it.

That was my experience at least, at another TOC. They kept separate links for different contracts.
 

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Alternatively the ex-HH link could get all the ****e as their T&C's allow it.

That was my experience at least, at another TOC. They kept separate links for different contracts.

Very true actually! Especially with the ambitious plans for the new paths. I’ve been through a TOC split myself and it wasn’t very pleasant, even though I was what could be argued as on the right side of it. Let’s just hope everybody/most in the end get where they want to be.
 

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Hopefully this means that in the long run, we at Intermodal get alot of our work back that has been wrongly given to HH and that it takes away the divide and conflict that there seems to be, bubbling away between the 2 divisions of the companies.
I have read that HH will be its own business, rebranded and completely separate from Intermodal. The day cannot come sooner.
Hopefully this means that in the long run, we at Intermodal get alot of our work back that has been wrongly given to HH and that it takes away the divide and conflict that there seems to be, bubbling away between the 2 divisions of the companies.
I have read that HH will be its own business, rebranded and completely separate from Intermodal. The day cannot come sooner.
Feeling is mutual ;)
 

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has the fleet been confirmed or is it still to be confirmed as i heard from rail express

59s HH
70s HH
66/6 HH
66/4 HH
66/5 FL and HH
08 FL
90s FL
 

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Apparently there is an article today confirming how the fleet will be split but it’s behind a paywall so I can’t confirm the details.
 

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It’s a premium article and needs a subscription when I click on the link.
I think it’s possibly my ‘invitation to subscribe’ article, as I’d not used their site before. Can confirm it gives the same numbers as post #70.
 

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I've been in a talent pool for Freightliner for nearly 3 years and I have absolutely no idea if this is a good or bad thing for me... I suspect the latter.
 

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That’s certainly a surprise considering I usually seem to see these subclasses working intermodals but I guess there is little difference between them and the 66/5s.
That’s because Freightliner had pooled the fleet across IM and HH for some time. They now have to split the fleet across the two businesses.
 

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Perhaps someone can explain why railfreight carries less than 10% of freight in the UK.
We are geographically small, population dense Country. Suited to Passenger traffic more than freight. USA is the opposite and has much higher freight percentage.
 

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We are geographically small, population dense Country. Suited to Passenger traffic more than freight. USA is the opposite and has much higher freight percentage.

Spot on. A distinction that the great American railroader Ed Burkhardt, saviour of British Railfreight (in his mind) never appreciated.

At the EWS takeover, he found that only 5% off British 'freight' ton-miles moved by rail He decided that this was the result of the pathetic managers that ran it under BR; after all, an increase from 5% to 10% seemed to be easily achievable, and would double his business. It had worked, presumably, in central Wisconsin.

Very comprehensive plans for the massive increase in revenue were set out in a 5 year plan; shown to very few BR managers, on pain of instant dismissal if they even discussed them. His loco expert mate Jim mapped out the future fleet requirements on the basis of this increase in traffic. It was decided that another around 300 locos were required; the new 66s and 67s would enter service and the older diesels mothballed for a couple of years but then would be back in service, needed for all this extra business.

The plan, though at first sight logical, was sophistry; although Trainload Freight and RfD only moved about 5% of total British freight ton-miles they had about 90% of the business that was suitable for rail. Unfortunately, he was not someone who accepted wise counsel, particularly from people in a 'socialist' (his words) European country. but you are very unlikely to have your milk delivered to your doorstep by a 47 or find a 56 ticking over on the unloading bay of your local supermarket but of course all this would be included in the total ton-miles figure. However, Ed did try; one potential customer he forwarded to us for action sent a Ford Transit (ok a Luton- bodied Ford Transit) fully loaded once a fortnight to a car plant. The originating point was 50 miles from the nearest freight railhead. Difficult to budge Ed from his beliefs, nut it was all in the target extra 5%.

Of course, he dismissed many ex BR managers but because of pesky employment legislation about unfair dismissal he had to give us a wad of cash to go quietly and also straight onto a pension if we were over 50. It's a hard life, honest guv, my head will now return to below the parapet :)
 

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Reminds me of Bunnings buying Homebase, dispensing with local management, thinking that what sells in Aus will work here, discovering (amongst other things) that stocking BBQs in the winter isn’t a good idea, and retreating a year later having sold the business on for a pound.
 

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… or find a 56 ticking over on the unloading bay of your local supermarket but of course all this would be included in the total ton-miles figure.
And yet that’s a topic that bubbles along just under the surface in these forums. I’m sure people have seriously suggested there should be far more rail distribution to supermarket sidings, and every time others have responded that it just wouldn’t work.
 
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