Yes, the fare change still happens, as it is in all the systems.Does this mean that the new fare structure of no SOR, instead only CDS and SDS is still going ahead from the 7th?
Exactly the same happened with the stations in the rollout that eventually took place last year. I forget which phase it was but it included Feltham - Windsor/ Virginia Water (but stupidly not to Reading).So they have increased the fares to Stansted but haven't introduced the convenience/flexibility that was supposed to come with that.
On top of that, they have done a reverse ferret on the validity of contactless. Will they continue issuing unfair Penalty Fares to those who - quite understandably - try and use contactless to Stansted?
Probably more like almost ten months when you account for the usual optimism bias.How does it take six months to fix?
Extension of pay as you go contactless ticketing to Stansted Airport station postponed until summer 2026
The planned extension of pay as you go contactless ticketing to Stansted Airport, announced last month, has been postponed and is now expected to take place in summer 2026.
During detailed testing, issues were identified that could have affected journeys and the price paid on certain services and prevented the technology from working as intended. For the extension of pay as you go contactless ticketing to operate correctly, fares must be fully integrated into TfL’s fare system. Additional work is required to ensure this integration is seamless and delivers a reliable experience for customers.
From summer 2026, passengers will be able to enjoy a quicker, easier and more flexible way to travel, as pay as you go contactless ticketing becomes available for all Stansted Express journeys.
A revised date for the extension of contactless ticketing to the additional stations will be confirmed in due course.
Stansted Express apologises for any inconvenience this delay may cause and thanks customers for their patience while the necessary work is completed to ensure the contactless system operates as expected from launch.
I don't think that many fares have increased, for those getting single tickets it is cheaper and I think it is only about a £1 more for the two new single fares compared to a period return.So they have increased the fares to Stansted but haven't introduced the convenience/flexibility that was supposed to come with that.
Those making a one-way journey will make a saving of between £1-£4. Those making period return journeys will pay between £4-£8 more.I don't think that many fares have increased, for those getting single tickets it is cheaper and I think it is only about a £1 more for the two new single fares compared to a period return.
This also affects the GEML extension to Witham. It's certainly disappointing to say the least. Summer 2026 isn't exactly close.Honestly, this latest delay shouldn't surprise me. But surprise me it did.
Tottenham Hale to Stanstead goes from £37.10 for a return to £38 for two off-peak singles, an increase of less than a £1 but for a much simpler system of just being able to get single tickets instead of worrying about buying a return and keeping the second part of the ticket for the return. A fare structure based on single tickets adds a lot more simplicity.Those making a one-way journey will make a saving of between £1-£4. Those making period return journeys will pay between £4-£8 more.
But how many people only make a one-way journey? Only a minority, I would suggest. Most will fly back to/from the same airport.
So not only are there more losers, but the losers will be paying a lot more than the winners will be saving.
It's quite clear that GA have cynically taken advantage of this opportunity to sneak through some hefty price increases. This is a pure revenue-raising move.
Not really. Elizabeth line services run to Reading but Oyster is only valid as far as West Drayton.
It would be interesting to see what the issue is. Transport UK have, of course, been burnt once already by the caps on the WCML being set up such that it caused very heavily discounted fares particularly in the peaks - this went on for several months, no doubt losing the railway hundreds of thousands or more, and is discussed a fair way upthread. Though Greater Anglia of course is no longer with Transport UK.
How many people are travelling at the newly defined 'peak' times in both directions - bearing in mind the introduction of an evening peak that never existed before?Tottenham Hale to Stanstead goes from £37.10 for a return to £38 for two off-peak singles, an increase of less than a £1 but for a much simpler system of just being able to get single tickets instead of worrying about buying a return and keeping the second part of the ticket for the return. A fare structure based on single tickets adds a lot more simplicity.
Talking of complexity - a route on which I regularly travel sees the CDR remain as is with the same restrictions and price, and a new DDR introduced with restrictions between 1600 and 1900. I know there have been other examples of the same public-facing ticket name (in this case Off-peak Day Return) but how exactly is the average person supposed to know that one ticket that's printed Off-Peak Day Return *is* valid, and another isn't?And much though people complain about the complexity of rail fares, I suspect what they really want is cheaper fares. Note how there was almost universal public support for freezing rail fares - it was the second-most popular decision in the Budget in a YouGov poll.
Complexity wouldn't matter nearly as much if an Anytime "Any Permitted" fare (to 'cover all bases') were affordably priced.
So they have increased the fares to Stansted but haven't introduced the convenience/flexibility that was supposed to come with that.
On top of that, they have done a reverse ferret on the validity of contactless. Will they continue issuing unfair Penalty Fares to those who - quite understandably - try and use contactless to Stansted?
It's been 6 years since the Oyster PAYG zone was effectively frozen, and it will almost certainly stay frozen until Prestige (the incumbent Oyster system) is decommissioned. Which could be a decade from now.Good point, but that surely needs to be fixed also - and it would seem poor to create more lines that have Oyster end part way through the route.
The next P&I Committee papers (due for publication within 24 hours as of this post) may include an update on Oval progress from their end.Sounds like a problem on TfL's side, but that's a guess as I'm far from involved.
At a guess it's deemed unwise to combine a rollout with the main fares revision, which although is mostly frozen there will almost certainly be increases to off-peak fares in places.How does it take six months to fix?
That link says Thursday 11 December. Am I missing something?The next P&I Committee papers (due for publication within 24 hours as of this post) may include an update on Oval progress from their end.
It's been 6 years since the Oyster PAYG zone was effectively frozen, and it will almost certainly stay frozen until Prestige (the incumbent Oyster system) is decommissioned. Which could be a decade from now.
Agenda documents for local authority meetings are published at least 7 days in advance.That link says Thursday 11 December. Am I missing something?
The main issue is with the daily caps. There is only one set (adult/zip/railcard etc) of caps per zone.Out of interest, with TfL taking an interest in more control of outer london rail services (including beyond London if they took over the GN inners), was there ever a consideration to extend beyond zone 6 to places like Welwyn Garden City - using zones 7-9? Then Oyster could have gone further out?
I assume there would have been potential issues with an assumption of Oyster working on buses in the area, although I'm sure they could have made it clear that Oyster would only work on London buses, of which there are none in those places.
Additionally there isn't always a return fare available for all routes either. I've headed into London from home in the past at 8am to connect onto Eurostar, coming back a few days later and there was no anytime return available so I had to get two singles at £13.50 each, now I can get a peak single at £11.20 and an off-peak one at £8.10. Again just much simpler than a return ticket. Also as the off-peak return is more than a day return the two singles on the new pricing will be cheaper for me.How many people are travelling at the newly defined 'peak' times in both directions - bearing in mind the introduction of an evening peak that never existed before?
The fare increases from Tottenham Hale are slightly less ("only" 90p to £6.90) than those from Liverpool Street, which is where my £4-£8 figure came from.
Most people manage just fine without 'worrying' about returns.
These are two completely different things: the pricing to Stansted, and the pricing to intermediate stations. Stansted prices has been increased unreasonably, there are no two ways about that. Barely anyone benefits, almost everyone loses out.Additionally there isn't always a return fare available for all routes either. I've headed into London from home in the past at 8am to connect onto Eurostar, coming back a few days later and there was no anytime return available so I had to get two singles at £13.50 each, now I can get a peak single at £11.20 and an off-peak one at £8.10. Again just much simpler than a return ticket. Also as the off-peak return is more than a day return the two singles on the new pricing will be cheaper for me.
Yes not everyone will do as well, but for some journeys the change to single leg pricing is an improvement, the only loss is the super off-peak day ticket.
The extension of contactless to Stansted Airport is indeed the highlight of the Government Press Release on 17 November.Oh dear. Stansted was used in all the initial publicity about the Contactless extension, so is going to be somewhat awkward.
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Simpler train travel to London airports as tap-in, tap-out expanded across south-east England
Buying tickets will be more convenient, more accessible and more flexible, ensuring passengers can get the best fares.www.gov.uk
- easier travel for holiday makers with tap-in tap-out technology installed at Stansted and Southend Airport stations before Christmas
Passengers travelling to every London airport will soon benefit from simpler train journeys, with the expansion of contactless ticketing to London’s Stansted and Southend Airports.
From 14 December, customers can tap-in and tap-out at all London airports for the first time, ensuring seamless connections from train to plane across our capital - just in time for Christmas travel.
The 6.7 million people travelling to and from Stansted Airport annually will no longer need to worry about booking tickets in advance and will experience more convenient and easier journeys.
Other stations modernising ticketing include those used by publicly owned train company Greater Anglia, like Beaulieu Park and Chelmsford.
The extension of contactless to Stansted Airport is indeed the highlight of the Government Press Release on 17 November.
The extension to other Greater Anglia stations is also highlighted with the emphasis on Greater Anglia now being a publicly owned train company hinting this to be a benefit of the new public ownership. The newly opened Greater Anglia station of Beaulieu Park is mentioned as well as Chelmsford.
I guess the Government did not expect this delay and is not pleased by this delay to the extension of contactless to 20 Greater Anglia stations and to Stansted Airport above all.
8.7.8 Payments: Following the successful launch of contactless at 49 NR stations in February 2025, we are now preparing for the go live of an additional 50 NR stations in December 2025. Enabling works are complete across all sites, test pay as you go fares have been assured and updated fares are set to go live as part of the December Fare Revision. Enabling works have begun at a further 51 stations which are scheduled to go live in summer 2026, continuing our strategic rollout of contactless pay as you go across the NR network.
It would be interesting to see the list of 51 stations. I guess this includes some SWR stations but definitely not any of the ten Marston Vale Line stations between Bedford and Bletchley as they will be replaced by five new stations in the East West Rail project.From agenda item 5 - TfL's Investment Programme report (2025/26 Q2), released earlier this evening:
Note the next sub-phase of 51 stations planned for summer 2026 (ha!), which may or may not be indirectly affected by today's RDG update. Going by that extract TfL may have been caught by surprise too.
Can it be reduced from the stations which have Ovalised fares to Stansted Airport from 7 December, but aren't part of Phase 2?It would be interesting to see the list of 51 stations. I guess this includes some SWR stations but definitely not any of the ten Marston Vale Line stations between Bedford and Bletchley as they will be replaced by five new stations in the East West Rail project.
SWR have already said that Surbiton to Guildford both ways, Bookham and Virginia Water to Weybridge and Reading are coming.Can it be reduced from the stations which have Ovalised fares to Stansted Airport from 7 December, but aren't part of Phase 2?
For example, Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells and Guildford among others?
GA still had a few stations to add later like Cambridge and near by stations (and Cambridge South)SWR have already said that Surbiton to Guildford both ways, Bookham and Virginia Water to Weybridge and Reading are coming.
Planning documents also suggest that Sevenoaks to Tunbridge Wells and Otford to Maidstone East are likely.
Redhill to Tonbridge and Edenbridge Town would seem likely given the above.
That would be 45, not sure what else is being consdered.
Which brings me back to my long standing question regarding an expansion of pink readers to indicate a choice of route. If I travel Croydon to Tonbridge the system needs to know whether I’ve gone via London Bridge or via Redhill in order to charge an appropriate fare.SWR have already said that Surbiton to Guildford both ways, Bookham and Virginia Water to Weybridge and Reading are coming.
Planning documents also suggest that Sevenoaks to Tunbridge Wells and Otford to Maidstone East are likely.
Redhill to Tonbridge and Edenbridge Town would seem likely given the above.
That would be 45, not sure what else is being consdered.
No additional pink (routeing) validators have been installed for either Phase 1 or Phase 2 of Project Oval.Which brings me back to my long standing question regarding an expansion of pink readers to indicate a choice of route. If I travel Croydon to Tonbridge the system needs to know whether I’ve gone via London Bridge or via Redhill in order to charge an appropriate fare.