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Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates

liamf656

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Saturday diagram (running as 222 29/11/25)

1B25 0850 NOT - STP 1027
1D31 1105 STP - NOT 1251
1B52 1312 NOT - STP 1454
1D53 1535 STP - NOT 1709
1B79 1750 NOT - STP 1927
1D76 2005 STP - NOT 2148

As a note that for the next couple of weeks the booked 810 services are easily identifiable on realtimetrains by viewing all EMR departures from St Pancras and seeing the journeys that have variations to the working timetable, you'll see that they're pathed as a Class 810. This however doesn't guarantee that it will be 810 operated as proven this week
 
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liamf656 said:
Saturday diagram (running as 222 29/11/25)

1B25 0850 NOT - STP 1027
1D31 1105 STP - NOT 1251
1B52 1312 NOT - STP 1454
1D53 1535 STP - NOT 1709
1B79 1750 NOT - STP 1927
1D76 2005 STP - NOT 2148

As a note that for the next couple of weeks the booked 810 services are easily identifiable on realtimetrains by viewing all EMR departures from St Pancras and seeing the journeys that have variations to the working timetable, you'll see that they're pathed as a Class 810. This however doesn't guarantee that it will be 810 operated as proven this week
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Being worked by 222013.
 
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tram21 said:
Don't worry I, and I'm sure lots of others who contributed to, appreciated the humour! ;) :D
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Very nice to have some support and reassurance for a change, so sincere thanks for your kindness and appreciation; but I do recognise that it’s time to move on now :)

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liamf656 said:
Saturday diagram (running as 222 29/11/25)

1B25 0850 NOT - STP 1027
1D31 1105 STP - NOT 1251
1B52 1312 NOT - STP 1454
1D53 1535 STP - NOT 1709
1B79 1750 NOT - STP 1927
1D76 2005 STP - NOT 2148

As a note that for the next couple of weeks the booked 810 services are easily identifiable on realtimetrains by viewing all EMR departures from St Pancras and seeing the journeys that have variations to the working timetable, you'll see that they're pathed as a Class 810. This however doesn't guarantee that it will be 810 operated as proven this week
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Thanks for the tip-off. Will take things on a day-to-day basis!
 
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Was this anything 810 related, a 5Q66 Northallerton to Derby Etches Park this morning? Looks like it spent some of the night shuffling between Doncaster and various points on the ECML before heading to Derby. Esit: Originated at Merchant Park the previous evening, tracking the 5Q workings backwards.

Realtime Trains | 5Q66 0702 Northallerton to Etches Park Sdgs | 29/11/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q66 0702 departure from Northallerton to Etches Park Sdgs on 29/11/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk www.realtimetrains.co.uk
 
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eastwestdivide said:
Was this anything 810 related, a 5Q66 Northallerton to Derby Etches Park this morning? Looks like it spent some of the night shuffling between Doncaster and various points on the ECML before heading to Derby. Esit: Originated at Merchant Park the previous evening, tracking the 5Q workings backwards.

Realtime Trains | 5Q66 0702 Northallerton to Etches Park Sdgs | 29/11/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q66 0702 departure from Northallerton to Etches Park Sdgs on 29/11/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Most likely 810012 after it's night testing?
 
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alm37 said:
Yes, 810012. Looks like it has been delivered to EMR. Surprised it happened directly from its night on test, but I guess they need them asap.
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Just seen Class 810 leaving Market Harborough towards Kettering. Too far away to see Fleet Number. Sorry.
 
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KB59 said:
Just seen Class 810 leaving Market Harborough towards Kettering. Too far away to see Fleet Number. Sorry.
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Realtime Trains | 3A26 1202 Wellingborough to Etches Park Sdgs | 29/11/2025

Real-time train running information for 3A26 1202 departure from Wellingborough to Etches Park Sdgs on 29/11/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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I found this one, 810006, but in the direction of Kettering then Market Harborough.
 
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This is exactly why there are testing periods. Another problem successfully identified, traced and now a solution can be designed and implemented (in this case, one hopes a fairly simple software tweak).
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I thought that trains had to do something like 1000 miles fault free before being accepted. It would make sense to test the toilets extensively as part of the process. E.g have someone go in and out several times an hour testing lock, flush, tap etc.
 
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Bikeman78 said:
I thought that trains had to do something like 1000 miles fault free before being accepted. It would make sense to test the toilets extensively as part of the process. E.g have someone go in and out several times an hour testing lock, flush, tap etc.
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And they might have, but if they have been waiting for 'please lock the door' message to finish before locking the door, then the problem wouldn't be discovered.

They may just test the door locks and closes, and the toilet flushes.

After how many years of the IET/Azuma fleet being in service and this problem has never to my knowledge occurred, why would they recorate the scenarios causing them issues now.
 
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Realtime Trains | 3A26 1202 Wellingborough to Etches Park Sdgs | 29/11/2025

Real-time train running information for 3A26 1202 departure from Wellingborough to Etches Park Sdgs on 29/11/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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I found this one, 810006, but in the direction of Kettering then Market Harborough.
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Maybe it switched tracks at the junction north of Market Harborough station and then travelled south towards Kettering?
 
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KB59 said:
Just seen Class 810 leaving Market Harborough towards Kettering. Too far away to see Fleet Number. Sorry.
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tfw756rider said:

Realtime Trains | 3A26 1202 Wellingborough to Etches Park Sdgs | 29/11/2025

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I found this one, 810006, but in the direction of Kettering then Market Harborough.
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KB59 said:
Maybe it switched tracks at the junction north of Market Harborough station and then travelled south towards Kettering?
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Presumably you saw the southbound working: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:33271/2025-11-29/detailed#allox_id=1

Looks like an Etches Park to Wellingborough and back run.
 
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Railperf said:
"More info on the class 810s. Initial thoughts were that it was two + flushes causing the failures, but after further testing it transpires that if a door is locked before the 'Please lock the door' message has finished, the software detects a fault and locks person in the lav!"
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I had the opposite problem on a 701 this morning - door opened but failed to close again. Not wishing to "perform" in full view of the rest of the carriage, I spoke to the guard, who happened to be walking past. She couldn't get it to close either, using either the inside or outside button. (i did have a moments worry that we might be locked in together if her jabbing at the button got it to work.....)

So I had to walk down the train from coach 8 to coach 3 to fuind a working loo. (Fortunately the 701/5s are not in use yet, as that wouldn't be possible on those!)
 
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Mon 1 December - 222 still deputising for the 810 on the 0700 Sheffield to St Pancras
 
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According to RTT the 1B07 Nottingham 0549 to St Pancras 0735 is due to be a 810 tomorrow.

Could this be the first 810 in service rather than the
0700 from Sheffield?

Realtime Trains | 1B07 0549 Nottingham to St Pancras International | 02/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 1B07 0549 departure from Nottingham to St Pancras International on 02/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Verulamius said:
According to RTT the 1B07 Nottingham 0549 to St Pancras 0735 is due to be a 810 tomorrow.

Could this be the first 810 in service rather than the
0700 from Sheffield?

Realtime Trains | 1B07 0549 Nottingham to St Pancras International | 02/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 1B07 0549 departure from Nottingham to St Pancras International on 02/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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The 0700 Sheffield to St Pancras is also shown as diesel changing to electric.

However, the data here is (I understand) showing the timing load, not a confirmation that an 810 will run the service.
My layperson's understanding is that this indicates the plan, not the reality. Presumably a 222 will substitute if an 810 is not available.

There are people on this forum who are obviously quite close to the project who will be able to give a better idea about whether an 810 will actually appear.
 
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Verulamius said:
According to RTT the 1B07 Nottingham 0549 to St Pancras 0735 is due to be a 810 tomorrow.

Could this be the first 810 in service rather than the
0700 from Sheffield?

Realtime Trains | 1B07 0549 Nottingham to St Pancras International | 02/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 1B07 0549 departure from Nottingham to St Pancras International on 02/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk www.realtimetrains.co.uk
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It's booked from today onwards as the second diagram. I can't see it being an 810 tomorrow but I'll keep an eye out and update the thread if I can

DY702
5B07 0445 XEP NOT 0520
1B07 0549 NOT STP 0735
1F15 0803 STP SHF 1001
1C38 1037 SHF STP 1238
1F40 1302 STP SHF 1505
1C68 1537 SHF STP 1740
1D66 1805 STP NOT 1956
1B94 2012 NOT STP 2156
1F85 2232 STP SHF 0039
5F85 0055 SHF XEP 0127
 
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Verulamius said:
According to RTT the 1B07 Nottingham 0549 to St Pancras 0735 is due to be a 810 tomorrow.

Could this be the first 810 in service rather than the
0700 from Sheffield?

Realtime Trains | 1B07 0549 Nottingham to St Pancras International | 02/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 1B07 0549 departure from Nottingham to St Pancras International on 02/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk www.realtimetrains.co.uk
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That shows a timing load, not the allocation.
 
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duffield said:
What time do the allocations for tomorrow usually show up on RTT?
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seems to vary - usually early hours of the morning around 1am of the day. Not seen anything appear much earlier.

It was suggested to me that the issue might be mechanical, but the last update about the toilet locking out if the wrong sequence of buttons was pressed suggest it might be software.

would this be a module that can be rewritten and tested - or is it part of a larger software package that runs other train systems. If the latter is the case, would it require all the other train systems connected to the same software package to be checked to ensure the rewrite hasn't adversely affected anything else?
 
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