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Bridges at stations on the Northern Line extension to Edgware

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Apologies if this has come up before...I had a quick look and couldn't see anything.

Basically, at Colindale and Burnt Oak stations, the bridge over the tracks is longer than it needs to be, which feels...unusual. I noticed and have wondered about this since I was a small child, and when I was (much) older, I learnt about the history of this section of line, which taught me that Brent (now Cross) used to have both up and down bypass loops, which were rarely used and removed when the longer 1938 stock were introduced with plans to run 9-car trains and platform extensions were required.

It makes sense Hendon Central has nothing given the tunnel at the northern end of the platforms, and yet, on the down side there is a lot of spare land and the bridge over from the ticket hall looks comfortably long enough for a loop there, even though at the south end the road bridge clearly currently has no spare room...but I wonder if there may have been room with the original shorter platforms, a-la Brent?

The natural conclusion to reach is that these longer bridges were perhaps provision for future loops (perhaps with an eye on an extension onwards to Watford, and/or the later-desired deep-level express tubes). However, the concept has a few major issues:
1) Whilst I've read (and seen photos of) Brent with loops, I've not so much as had a sniff about the other stations having had them planned for future use, let alone any actual use. Truth be told, I've found very little information about the design for the extension to Edgware from Golder's Green. Unfortunately, all the detailed maps I have access to either predate the extension, or post-date the platform extensions, as it was really a very short window of ~15 years between the two.
2) The openings at Colindale and Burnt Oak just don't look quite big enough. It certainly looks close, but obviously I can't measure it accurately!
3) They've only got them on the up side. Presumably stock would bunch up horribly if they ran fast into the core, but had to do all stations on the way back out?

Just wondering if anyone had any information they were able to share to appease my curious mind.
 
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Apologies if this has come up before...I had a quick look and couldn't see anything.

Basically, at Colindale and Burnt Oak stations, the bridge over the tracks is longer than it needs to be, which feels...unusual. I noticed and have wondered about this since I was a small child, and when I was (much) older, I learnt about the history of this section of line, which taught me that Brent (now Cross) used to have both up and down bypass loops, which were rarely used and removed when the longer 1938 stock were introduced with plans to run 9-car trains and platform extensions were required.

It makes sense Hendon Central has nothing given the tunnel at the northern end of the platforms, and yet, on the down side there is a lot of spare land and the bridge over from the ticket hall looks comfortably long enough for a loop there, even though at the south end the road bridge clearly currently has no spare room...but I wonder if there may have been room with the original shorter platforms, a-la Brent?

The natural conclusion to reach is that these longer bridges were perhaps provision for future loops (perhaps with an eye on an extension onwards to Watford, and/or the later-desired deep-level express tubes). However, the concept has a few major issues:
1) Whilst I've read (and seen photos of) Brent with loops, I've not so much as had a sniff about the other stations having had them planned for future use, let alone any actual use. Truth be told, I've found very little information about the design for the extension to Edgware from Golder's Green. Unfortunately, all the detailed maps I have access to either predate the extension, or post-date the platform extensions, as it was really a very short window of ~15 years between the two.
2) The openings at Colindale and Burnt Oak just don't look quite big enough. It certainly looks close, but obviously I can't measure it accurately!
3) They've only got them on the up side. Presumably stock would bunch up horribly if they ran fast into the core, but had to do all stations on the way back out?

Just wondering if anyone had any information they were able to share to appease my curious mind.
Probably was for the Northern Height extension. About 70% of the work was done when WWII broke out, After WWII there was no money and the scheme was abandoned. The Edgware branch was planned to go to Bushy
 

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I wonder if someone had an idea of putting a depot here, and left extra room for reception tracks each end? This would have been a rural area at the time the line was built.
 

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Probably was for the Northern Height extension. About 70% of the work was done when WWII broke out, After WWII there was no money and the scheme was abandoned. The Edgware branch was planned to go to Bushy
Also the concept of the Green Belt had been devised. The housing which would have generated traffic for the extension would not have been permitted. The same truncated the Central Line at West Ruislip instead of extending it to Denham as originally planned.
 

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I believe Bushey Heath was to be the actual terminus although it was not that near to the real Bushey Heath residential area (where I lived as a child). Incidentally, “Bushy” should be spelt “Bushey”.
 

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There's a lot about the Northern Heights on the internet. The terminus would have been at the junction of Elstree Road and the A41, pretty much exactly a mile as the crow flies from Bushey Heath High Street so clearly intended to serve new housing rather than the historic village. Just to the south-east they built the depot, which became the Aldenham bus depot (of "Summer Holiday" fame) and is now an industrial estate. Due to post-war Green Belt policies the housing and the line were never built.
 

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That's what I'm wondering about on this thread - I've never seen any concrete evidence that that's what these spans are for. The general policy always seems to be to build the absolute minimum to minimise costs, but if that's what's going on, why would you build provision on the up side, but not the down side, especially on a greenfield site? It's very curious.
 
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