HST’s in Preservation

[fgwrich]

I thought it was probably time to start a HSTs in preservation thread, so here we go. I will try and keep this as updated as possible.

Note: I haven’t included LSL yet as they are a commercial operation than preserved, and as a result have their own thread.

125 Group
All running power cars to be based out of the East Lancs Railway.

Power Cars:
43025 - Intercity Swallow. MTU Series 4000. Named ‘Exeter’ and with HST 50 plates.
43044 - Intercity Executive. Named Edward Paxman. Unengined - Undergoing restoration and return to Paxman Valenta RP200. Currently at Cockshute Yard, Stoke.
43048 - Midland Mainline Teal and Tangerine. VP185. Named TCB Miller MBE and with HST 50 plates. Currently at the Nene Valley and running with 43045
43089 - East Midlands Trains (125 Group Branded). VP185
43159 - Midland Mainline Ocean Blue - Project Rio - Named Rio Warrior. MTU Series 4000
43190 - FGW Blue. Engineless and expected to provide spares to the running fleet. Currently at Stoke.

Rolling Stock:
44000 - TGS - Intercity Executive
40730 - TRFB - Intercity Executive
40741 - TRFB - EMT
41057 - TF - EMT - Currently at UKRL / Brush Loughborough
41067 - TF - EMT - Currently at UKRL / Brush Loughborough
42111 - TS - Intercity Executive
42119 - TS - Intercity Executive
42120 - TS - Intercity Executive
42337 - TS - EMT

Note. Currently 048 is on loan to 125 Preservation whilst 060 is with the 125 group.

125 Preservation
Power Cars & 3 Mk3s are based at the Nene Valley Railway except for 356 & 442.

Power Cars:
43045 - East Midlands Trains (East Midlands Trains branded) VP185. Named The Grammar School Doncaster
43060 - GNER original with white logos. VP185. Named Heaton 150 with HST 50 plates. Currently on hire to 125 Group and at the East Lancs

Rolling Stock:
40904 - TRFB - GWR Green
42355 - TS - VTEC
42357 - TS - VTEC (currently undergoing stripping of Virgin Vinyls)
42356 - TS-D - GWR Green. At Eastleigh.
40701 - TRFB - VTEC. Currently at Weardale
40711 - TRFB - VTEC. Private location in Northumberland.
41095 - TF - VTEC Private location in Northumberland.
42353 - TS - FGW blue at Cockshute storage is owned by Dave Shell of 125 Preservation
77382 - DTF / DTO - 442401 - Gatwick Express. At Eastleigh Works.

125 Heritage
Power Cars and Mk3s based on the Colne Valley Railway.

Power Cars:
43023 - BR Blue Grey Intercity 125 (original livery) with set number 253011. MTU Series 4000
43071 - FGW Blue. MTU Series 4000
43073 - East Midlands Trains. EMR Branding VP185
43082 - East Midlands Trains. EMR Branding. VP185
43165 - FGW Blue. FGW branded. MTU Series 4000. Named Railway Children.

Rolling Stock:
40706 - TRFB - VTEC with Restaurant Buffet 125 branding
40204 - TRFB - Later EMT livery. Used as a static buffet
41205 - TS - Later EMT livery
41088 - TF - VTEC
44058 - TGS

NRM
Power Cars at York and Shildon + Buffet.

Power Cars:
41001 - Prototype Power Car. In reverse Blue Grey as built. Paxman Valenta RP200 engine as per production power cars.
43002 - Intercity 125 Blue / Grey as built - Named Sir Kenneth Grange. Non Runner but retains its MTU Series 4000
43102 - Intercity Swallow - Named The Journey Shrinker. Non Runner but retains its MTU Series 4000

Rolling Stock:
40732 - TRFB - VTEC

Plym Valley

Power Cars:
43063 - Intercity Swallow. No engine, non runner.

Gwilli Railway

Power Cars:
43056 - FGW Blue. MTU Series 4000.

Crewe Heritage Centre

Power Cars:
43018 - BR Blue Grey. Static, no engine.
43081 - East Midlands Trains unbranded. VP185.

Lincolnshire Wolds Railway

40713 - TRFB - FGW Blue. Used as a static buffet

Weardale Railway

40701 - TRFB - VTEC - Used as ‘The Story Train’ vehicle at Stanhope.

Cambrian Heritage Railway

40751 - TRFB - VTEC ex EMT - Used as a static buffet at Weston Wharf.

Bellingham Heritage Centre
41204 is being used as a cafe in Bellingham station in Northumberland

Stannington Pullman

41207 is now an air B&B called Stannington Pullman, and is for sale.

Others:
41209 near Ely is owned by one of the 125 Heritage directors
41206 is parked on track coupled to 41209 but separately owned.

And it goes without saying, please do keep supporting the organisations and railways involved. The 125 group has an excellent magazine and website with shop.

 

[s491]

Typo on 125G list. 42337

 

[eastwestdivide]

Plus the remaining prototype power car?

 

[fgwrich]

Plus the remaining prototype power car?

Good point! I’ll add that in too.

 

[amahy]

40751 buffet coach is preserved as a Cafe at Weston Wharf on the Cambrian Heritage Railway.

 

[Steddenm]

Isn't there one at Crewe Heritage Centre?

 

[43096]

Isn't there one at Crewe Heritage Centre?

Two power cars: 43018 and 43081

 

[Phil Scott]

Pretty sure 125 Preservation also have 41095 and also ex-prototype coach 42353 in storage

Plym Valley have buffet 40900 too

 

[fgwrich]

Pretty sure 125 Preservation also have 41095 and also ex-prototype coach 42353 in storage

Plym Valley have buffet 40900 too

Sort of, I consider those more privately owned as along with 40711 they are kept at private sites and unlikely to be running in pres for some time (particularly 353). The same going for the two on a farm in Cambridgeshire, and the ex LNER Farewell rake (not yet converted to camping coaches).

I’ll add in 40900 though.

 

[778]

I saw an HST at Birmingham New Street around 4pm on Sunday. Every coach had a different livery including the 2 power cars. Was it one of the preserved HSTs?

 

[sprinterguy]

I saw an HST at Birmingham New Street around 4pm on Sunday. Every coach had a different livery including the 2 power cars. Was it one of the preserved HSTs?

Looks to have been a Locomotive Services' stock move from Toton back to their Crewe base.

 

[DarloRich]

I saw an HST at Birmingham New Street around 4pm on Sunday. Every coach had a different livery including the 2 power cars. Was it one of the preserved HSTs?

Looks to have been a Locomotive Services' stock move from Toton back to their Crewe base.

there were 2 HST through Brum at essentially the same time on Sunday:

• Blue Pullman that worked a Nottingham > Paignton and back posho tour ( passing through New Street en route to Crewe)
• 125 Group set that worked from London to Weardale and back ( and was passing through Brum en route to Barrow Hill from Wemberlee)

From the description I suspect the later was seen.

(Both passed Fenny Stratford over the weekend and I was away so saw neither - meaning I still haven't seen an HST on the Marston Vale!)

 

[sprinterguy]

there were 2 HST through Brum at essentially the same time on Sunday:

• Blue Pullman that worked a Nottingham > Paignton and back posho tour ( passing through New Street en route to Crewe)
• 125 Group set that worked from London to Weardale and back ( and was passing through Brum en route to Barrow Hill from Wemberlee)

From the description I suspect the later was seen.

Ah, yeah, didn't spot the 125 Group working (or didn't recognise what it might be), despite the two workings being adjacent on Realtime Trains.

 

[ExRes]

I saw an HST at Birmingham New Street around 4pm on Sunday. Every coach had a different livery including the 2 power cars. Was it one of the preserved HSTs?

That was the 125 Group set on the 'Locomotion & Weardale' tour, one Rio power car, one EM power car, one GW green coach, one Inter City coach and five EM coaches

 

[andythebrave]

there were 2 HST through Brum at essentially the same time on Sunday:

• Blue Pullman that worked a Nottingham > Paignton and back posho tour ( passing through New Street en route to Crewe)
• 125 Group set that worked from London to Weardale and back ( and was passing through Brum en route to Barrow Hill from Wemberlee)

From the description I suspect the later was seen.

(Both passed Fenny Stratford over the weekend and I was away so saw neither - meaning I still haven't seen an HST on the Marston Vale!)

I have! Twice, admittedly on the same day

 

[Mag_seven]

I thought it was probably time to start a HSTs in preservation thread, so here we go. I will try and keep this as updated as possible.

Note: I haven’t included LSL yet as they are more commercially ran than preserved, and as a result have their own thread.

125 Group
All power cars and stock are based out of the Midland Railway Centre Butterly

Power Cars:
43025 - FGW Blue (125 Group Branded). MTU Series 4000
43044 - Intercity Executive. Named Edward Paxman. Unengined - Awaiting restoration and return to Paxman Valenta RP200. Currently at Stoke.
43048 - East Midlands Trains (125 Group Branded). VP185
43089 - East Midlands Trains (125 Group Branded). VP185
43159 - Midland Mainline Ocean Blue - Project Rio - Named Rio Warrior. MTU Series 4000

Rolling Stock:
44000 - TGS - GWR Green
40730 - TRFB - EMT
40741 - TRFB - EMT
41057 - TF - EMT
41067 - TF - EMT
42111 - TS - Intercity Exec
42119 - TS - EMT
42120 - TS - EMT
42337 - TS - EMT

Note. Currently 089 is on loan to 125 Preservation whilst 060 is with the 125 group.

125 Preservation
Power Cars & 3 Mk3s are based at the Nene Valley Railway except for 356 & 442.
Power Cars:
43045 - East Midlands Trains (East Midlands Trains branded) VP185. Named The Grammar School Doncaster
43060 - Dark Blue with Rail 200 branding. VP185.

Rolling Stock:
40904 - TRFB - GWR Green
42355 - TS - VTEC
42357 - TS - VTEC
42356 - TS-D - GWR Green. At Eastleigh.
77382 - DTF / DTO - 442401 - Gatwick Express. At Eastleigh

125 Heritage
Power Cars and Mk3s based on the Colne Valley Railway.

Power Cars:
43023 - BR Blue Grey Intercity 125 (original livery) with set number 253011. MTU Series 4000
43071 - FGW Blue. MTU Series 4000
43073 - East Midlands Trains. EMR Branding VP185
43082 - East Midlands Trains. EMR Branding. VP185
43165 - FGW Blue. FGW branded. MTU Series 4000. Named Railway Children.

Rolling Stock:
40706 - TRFB - VTEC with Restaurant Buffet 125 branding
40204 - TRFB - Later EMT livery. Used as a static buffet
41205 - TS - Later EMT livery
41088 - TF - VTEC
44058 - TGS

NRM
Power Cars at York and Shildon + Buffet.

Power Cars:
41001 - Prototype Power Car. In reverse Blue Grey as built. Paxman Valenta RP200 engine as per production power cars.
43002 - Intercity 125 Blue / Grey as built - Named Sir Kenneth Grange. Non Runner but retains its MTU Series 4000
43102 - Intercity Swallow - Named The Journey Shrinker. Non Runner but retains its MTU Series 4000

Rolling Stock:
40732 - TRFB - VTEC

Plym Valley

Power Cars:
43063 - FGW Blue. No engine, non runner

Gwilli Railway

Power Cars:
43056 - FGW Blue. MTU Series 4000.

Crewe Heritage Centre

Power Cars:
43018 - BR Blue Grey. Static, no engine.
43081 - East Midlands Trains unbranded. VP185.

Lincolnshire Wolds Railway

40713 - TRFB - FGW Blue. Used as a static buffet

Weardale Railway

40701 - TRFB - VTEC - Used as ‘The Story Train’ vehicle at Stanhope.

Cambrian Heritage Railway

40751 - TRFB - VTEC ex EMT - Used as a static buffet at Weston Wharf.

And it goes without saying, please do keep supporting the organisations and railways involved. The 125 group has an excellent magazine and website with shop.

Thread reopened for update

 

[fgwrich]

Thread reopened for update

Cheers @Mag_seven

So I thought it’s time to give this thread a little update following further news from the 125Group.

Thanks to our friends at Romic and in partnership with Romic Group, we're pleased to be taking delivery of power car 43190. This concludes a deal to swap some redundant MK3 coaches for a HST power car, to use as a spares donor.
Many thanks to the team at Romic who have been excellent and very supportive of preserved HST users in the UK, recognising the challenges we face in accessing spares. 43190 will provide the missing pieces of our spares pool, so that we may keep our fleet operational well into the future, but also make improvements by providing float items to allow material to go away for overhaul.

Members will find out our full plans in the next edition of our magazine; One Two Five.

I will also provide an update to the table above as several vehicles are also undergoing repaint / move to new bases as well.

 

[50002Superb]

Any idea what MK3s went the other way?

 

[fgwrich]

Any idea what MK3s went the other way?

12087, 12134, 10202, 10206.

I have a feeling 12087 went to a private buyer with the latter 3 going to Romic. 12134 has since been sold on by Romic to a new owner based by the East Kent Railway.

 

[50002Superb]

12087, 12134, 10202, 10206.

I have a feeling 12087 went to a private buyer with the latter 3 going to Romic. 12134 has since been sold on by Romic to a new owner based by the East Kent Railway.

Interesting, thank you

 

[50039]

I'm a bit confused... at the Greatest Gathering, 159 Rio Warrier and 060 (numbered as 200) were linked up to a set of Mk3s - but they are owned by different groups? Is that right?

 

[43096]

I'm a bit confused... at the Greatest Gathering, 159 Rio Warrier and 060 (numbered as 200) were linked up to a set of Mk3s - but they are owned by different groups? Is that right?

That's correct.

 

[fgwrich]

I'm a bit confused... at the Greatest Gathering, 159 Rio Warrier and 060 (numbered as 200) were linked up to a set of Mk3s - but they are owned by different groups? Is that right?

Yes.

43159 and the Mk3s at the GG are owned and operated by the 125Group.

43060 is owned and operated by 125 Preservation.

However, both groups co-exist to both preserve, maintain and continue the history of the HST / Intercity 125 and have a healthy working relationship together, which allows a lot of us to share expertise together between the two groups. 43060 was already due to visit Derby as part of the GG, and things all rather fell into place this year resulting in a temporary loan of each others power cars - 060 to 125Group and 089 to 125 Preservation in return. It helps keeping each other’s power cars in a mainline ready condition!

The best way to learn more about this however is to join the 125Group where you’ll receive a quarterly magazine whilst helping us to continue to keep the legacy of them alive.

 

[4SubAsociation]

12087, 12134, 10202, 10206.

I have a feeling 12087 went to a private buyer with the latter 3 going to Romic. 12134 has since been sold on by Romic to a new owner based by the East Kent Railway.

Meant to say. 12134 is a MK3a (Not HST). Has buffers. So would of been used with electric sets. Was originally in virgin trains livery before repaint. 12087 was originally also MK3a loco haul too.

 

[fgwrich]

Meant to say. 12134 is a MK3a (Not HST). Has buffers. So would have been used with electric sets. Was originally in virgin trains livery before repaint. 12087 was originally also MK3a loco haul too.

Cheers, all were loco hauled Mk3s that have been sold on. With HST Power Cars now being the mainstay of the fleet (and rightly so for the 125 Group) there was no need for the loco hauled Mk3A & Mk3Bs in the fleet, hence the gradual selling off of them to private buyers and trade with Romic Group.

 

[50039]

Yes.

43159 and the Mk3s at the GG are owned and operated by the 125Group.

43060 is owned and operated by 125 Preservation.

However, both groups co-exist to both preserve, maintain and continue the history of the HST / Intercity 125 and have a healthy working relationship together, which allows a lot of us to share expertise together between the two groups. 43060 was already due to visit Derby as part of the GG, and things all rather fell into place this year resulting in a temporary loan of each others power cars - 060 to 125Group and 089 to 125 Preservation in return. It helps keeping each other’s power cars in a mainline ready condition!

The best way to learn more about this however is to join the 125Group where you’ll receive a quarterly magazine whilst helping us to continue to keep the legacy of them alive.

Thanks for clarifying - hadn’t even crossed my mind they had different owners until I read this. The cooperation sounds excellent.

 

[fgwrich]

43063 at the Plym Valley Railway has just been released in Intercity Swallow livery for HST 50. Note, as before this is a non-runner.

(Two images of 43063 in Intercity Swallow at the Plym Valley Railway)

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[61653 HTAFC]

43063 at the Plym Valley Railway has just been released in Intercity Swallow livery for HST 50. Note, as before this is a non-runner.

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That looks great!
(No doubt there'll be comments grumbling that it's the slightly wrong shade of red stripe or something!)

Are there plans to get it running? Or is it more of a "sit there and look pretty" thing?

 

[sprinterguy]

That looks great!
(No doubt there'll be comments grumbling that it's the slightly wrong shade of red stripe or something!)

Are there plans to get it running? Or is it more of a "sit there and look pretty" thing?

Based on their comments on Facebook, there is no intention to obtain and refit a power unit, and it has apparently been stripped of other internal components as well, so will remain a static exhibit.

The livery application looks absolutely spot on.

 

[50002Superb]

43063 at the Plym Valley Railway has just been released in Intercity Swallow livery for HST 50. Note, as before this is a non-runner.

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What’s HST50 please?