I'd expect the strain to ease off in early 2026 because we should expect a few more 810s before 222s depart en masseWill that be enough to cover withdrawals of the Meridians, I wonder?
I'd expect the strain to ease off in early 2026 because we should expect a few more 810s before 222s depart en masseWill that be enough to cover withdrawals of the Meridians, I wonder?
You got the diagram info pleaseFirst diagram becomes booked 810 from tomorrow followed by another one on Tuesday 02/12. 810011/12/13 get handed over in December also, so I'd assume we'll have a few more out in the new year
There's a separate thread now for 810 diagrams, linked belowYou got the diagram info please
Will that be enough to cover withdrawals of the Meridians, I wonder?
Haven't EMR lost three units - 001, 002 and 005 already, one in Scotland and two being prepped?Tight at first but then ok. EMR have already lost one unit, and lose another shortly; but this next one goes after tomorrow, obviously.
I find them very comfortable always a treat when I get a refurbished 170. It’s really up to you the seat was already great before, but it’s interesting to see how much more comfortable it is now. I like that they listened to the customers.I’m just thinking on hindsight whether having customised LEANs was the right thing to do. I’ve sat in a standard, unmodified LEAN and they’re comfortable.
It seems that there has been penny-pinching in some areas of the specification (eg no traffic light system for seat reservations); but there are two ways of looking at it - either it was wise to plough so much of the budget into the main thing that will give passengers a comfortable journey (ie seating), or they blew too much of the budget on seating and neglected some of the basics of train travel mod cons these days.
Haven't EMR lost three units - 001, 002 and 005 already, one in Scotland and two being prepped?
Time to encourage commuters to ask for a folding bike for Christmas.Bike spaces will be controversial given the trains function as East Midlands local area commuter services
Thanks for your review - I'm looking froward to sampling it.222s:
001 is off lease and due to leave.
002 has been robbed to allow 001 to be handed back. Unclear as to whether 002 will return to traffic.
005 already gone and at home on the WCML operated training runs.
Seats on the 810s are firm but comfy in both classes. Even in standard the leg room is good and the tray tables are huge. The carriages have the usual 80x feeling of space inside them and feel positively enormous compared to a 222. The overhead racks are a huge improvement on class 222s and there's large stacks throughout the train.
Bike spaces will be controversial given the trains function as East Midlands local area commuter services - 2 spaces only using hang up hooks, reservations compulsory, staff have been instructed to enforce this strictly. The days of piling 5 or 6 bikes in around the train are over and a long way from the queue of 7 or 8 of them to get into a HST luggage van.
Maybe they could look into some 153 Active Travel units and couple one to each 810Thanks for your review - I'm looking froward to sampling it.
Bad new about bikes though. Sounds fairly poor. Esp given BTPs recent announcements about de prioritising investigating cycle theft at stations so you won't want to leave a cycle at the station.
Good to hear the seat is up to standard. Very reassuring for when I catch a train with the new seats - really looking forward to it.I find them very comfortable always a treat when I get a refurbished 170. It’s really up to you the seat was already great before, but it’s interesting to see how much more comfortable it is now. I like that they listened to the customers.
They improved the ride so in to see how much better they do ride as the 222 are up there as the best we have.
Haha love the idea - almost as imaginative as my idea to use loco-hauled 360s as crowd buster servicesMaybe they could look into some 153 Active Travel units and couple one to each 810![]()
You have no obligation to clarify such a thing - your opinion is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I also think anyone who considered it “ungrateful“ would be very cheeky considering for how long EMR has made its Regional customers sit in a very shabby mixed bag of hand me downs. I’d say a perfect product now is deserved!Just for clarity, my message wasn’t to be ungrateful in tone. I absolutely love the fact that so much effort has gone into such a fundamental aspect of the passenger experience and that, as you say, they’ve listened to customers. My post was was said more in the sense of hypothesising whether so much effort went into the seats that other important aspects got missed out due to lack of budget.
One would think that 002 will return to traffic. Maybe not for EMR, but certainly for Lumo?222s:
001 is off lease and due to leave.
002 has been robbed to allow 001 to be handed back. Unclear as to whether 002 will return to traffic.
005 already gone and at home on the WCML operated training runs.
I did sort of think that went without sayingOne would think that 002 will return to traffic. Maybe not for EMR, but certainly for Lumo?
Yes, they do. Not heard them in anger so don't ask me what the voice is!Do the 810s have automated announcements?
So long as one of them isn’t “the computer says no”, then I think you’ll be fineYes, they do. Not heard them in anger so don't ask me what the voice is!
I believe it's Julie BerryYes, they do. Not heard them in anger so don't ask me what the voice is!
Ah yes, of Piccadilly Line fame. When I was a kid, I used to think it was Joanna LumleyI believe it's Julie Berry
I’m guessing they won’t be able to go further and not issue reservations to daily users for journeys such as Leicester to Loughborough?222s:
001 is off lease and due to leave.
002 has been robbed to allow 001 to be handed back. Unclear as to whether 002 will return to traffic.
005 already gone and at home on the WCML operated training runs.
Seats on the 810s are firm but comfy in both classes. Even in standard the leg room is good and the tray tables are huge. The carriages have the usual 80x feeling of space inside them and feel positively enormous compared to a 222. The overhead racks are a huge improvement on class 222s and there's large stacks throughout the train.
Bike spaces will be controversial given the trains function as East Midlands local area commuter services - 2 spaces only using hang up hooks, reservations compulsory, staff have been instructed to enforce this strictly. The days of piling 5 or 6 bikes in around the train are over and a long way from the queue of 7 or 8 of them to get into a HST luggage van.
I think the issue is that most cyclists are doing journeys like that or Leicester to Derby or similar, IE commuters, I don't see too many full sized bikes doing long trips out of London by comparison. I will be interested to see how it goes.I’m guessing they won’t be able to go further and not issue reservations to daily users for journeys such as Leicester to Loughborough?
If such reservations are permitted they may well find that there’s essentially no capacity out of St Pancras for hours at a time due to daily commuters block booking the spaces for short journeys.
Maybe next week will go better? - heres hoping!Hearing things that tomorrow's entry into service tomorrow has been postponed
Unfortunately that's correct, it'll be a 7 car 222 for tomorrow and likely Wednesday. We'll see what Thursday bringsHearing things that tomorrow's entry into service tomorrow has been postponed
Oh well, I was planning to finish early in Derby and join the southbound 810 service there at 14:32, but I'll just carry on shopping instead!Unfortunately that's correct, it'll be a 7 car 222 for tomorrow and likely Wednesday. We'll see what Thursday brings
Why am I not surprised?Hearing things that tomorrow's entry into service tomorrow has been postponed
Disappointing. I was betting on the first service breaking south of Bedford and causing chaos in the rush hour.Why am I not surprised?