Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates

[zwk500]

Thanks, I thought it was on the radar (as an aside, that's a terrible map NR have produced, all those very similar colours - about as clear as mud!).

It's a horrific map especially as they have a general layer for CPs 6, 7 and 8 but then also individual layers for the separate years within those CPs.

 

[Vexed]

It's a horrific map especially as they have a general layer for CPs 6, 7 and 8 but then also individual layers for the separate years within those CPs.

There's a seperate guide on the website as well, it looks like some PDF readers can filter by control period which makes it easier.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Digital-Long-Term-Deployment-Plan-map-instructions.pdf

 

[duffield]

There's a seperate guide on the website as well, it looks like some PDF readers can filter by control period which makes it easier.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Digital-Long-Term-Deployment-Plan-map-instructions.pdf

So I eventually found a Linux PDF reader which supports layers ("evince") and it shows the very Southern end of the MML as "CP7 2026". I'm guessing this plan is well out of date and there's no chance of ETCS deployment anytime soon though?

Anyhow I guess we're veering offtopic, the only on-topic bit is that the 810s are ETCS fitted.

 

[zwk500]

So I eventually found a Linux PDF reader which supports layers ("evince") and it shows the very Southern end of the MML as "CP7 2026". I'm guessing this plan is well out of date and there's no chance of ETCS deployment anytime soon though?

Anyhow I guess we're veering offtopic, the only on-topic bit is that the 810s are ETCS fitted.

It's certainly out of date.

The On-topic information is, as you say, that the 810s are ETCS fitted, but that they will not be able to use it in normal service yet for a good few years at least.

 

[Kneedown]

It's certainly out of date.

The On-topic information is, as you say, that the 810s are ETCS fitted, but that they will not be able to use it in normal service yet for a good few years at least.

ETCS receivers are currently operational on 810s purely for the "Goalkeepers" at Wistow, and Glendon, which are balises that automatically change power over from electric to diesel should the Driver fail to do so manually for whatever reason.

 

[Nym]

ETCS receivers are currently operational on 810s purely for the "Goalkeepers" at Wistow, and Glendon, which are balises that automatically change power over from electric to diesel should the Driver fail to do so manually for whatever reason.

Suppose that is better than deploying another set of slightly different set of TrackLink III Beacons for Automatic Power Change Over on the route.

 

[dosxuk]

I'm surprised people aren't suggesting it's fitted so EMR can do diversions down the ECML

 

[QSK19]

I'm surprised people aren't suggesting it's fitted so EMR can do diversions down the ECML

Diverts into KX on the way, then

 

[zwk500]

Diverts into KX on the way, then

Is it called the Master Cutler?

 

[QSK19]

Is it called the Master Cutler?

I just hope the 810s turn out to be worthy enough to carry that name!

 

[bunnahabhain]

I just hope the 810s turn out to be worthy enough to carry that name!

The Paper Cupper?

 

[Railwaycat]

Each standard class vehicle has a different seating layout some with more tables some with fewer.

It looks like in that coach it's just four tables. That is just wrong - why do designers have to make a train interior like an airliner? We had the mk1's,2's and 3's (was there a couple of two's?) with just tables and bays, and we managed fine, a pleasant airy environment. This looks cramped - wouldn't be so bad if the seat backs weren't so high and the headrests tapered in at the top. It puts families off traveling by rail if they can't sit together.
By all means have perhaps a third of the coach two's, spaced out, but not this many - how many bays with tables are there in the other coaches?

 

[WesternLancer]

It looks like in that coach it's just four tables. That is just wrong - why do designers have to make a train interior like an airliner? We had the mk1's,2's and 3's (was there a couple of two's?) with just tables and bays, and we managed fine, a pleasant airy environment. This looks cramped - wouldn't be so bad if the seat backs weren't so high and the headrests tapered in at the top. It puts families off traveling by rail if they can't sit together.
By all means have perhaps a third of the coach two's, spaced out, but not this many - how many bays with tables are there in the other coaches?

My personal view also.

Had a seating layout plan be published yet or posted up thread by any chance.

I’d be interested in if there is an overall increase or reduction in table seats as compared to a Meridian. In standard.

 

[Railperf]

ETCS receivers are currently operational on 810s purely for the "Goalkeepers" at Wistow, and Glendon, which are balises that automatically change power over from electric to diesel should the Driver fail to do so manually for whatever reason.

That makes sense. I wonder if ETCS receivers could be used for some sort of speed supervision?

 

[DaveyJones]

That makes sense. I wonder if ETCS receivers could be used for some sort of speed supervision?

They're the same receivers as the Pendolino uses for Speed Supervision

 

[Railperf]

They're the same receivers as the Pendolino uses for Speed Supervision

So that begs the question why 805 807 were not fitted with the same speed supervision, if the hardware onboard exists to implement it?

 

[Kneedown]

That makes sense. I wonder if ETCS receivers could be used for some sort of speed supervision?

There is a speed limiter fitted, which is adjustable via the TMS to suit the linespeed.

 

[Railperf]

There is a speed limiter fitted, which is adjustable via the TMS to suit the linespeed.

i mean to perform the same function as TASS - obviously without the need to supervise tilt activation.

 

[Kneedown]

i mean to perform the same function as TASS - obviously without the need to supervise tilt activation.

I'm afraid I can't answer that then, having never been involved with TASS. Sorry.

 

[zwk500]

That makes sense. I wonder if ETCS receivers could be used for some sort of speed supervision?

Isn't this basically ETCS Level 1?

 

[Class 317]

If true that’s a very bad decision. They are the best reservation systems so far in the uk and surely help with accessibility. The text might still be small, but that big green or red light means you don’t even have to worry about reading the text, just sit and enjoy your available seat or move on if red. Amber is the only one that needs any scrutiny.

If we’re left with only small text it means squinting at all of them is the only way to find a seat.

Rubbish idea (but it’s not alone in a tidal wave of rubbish ideas).

Not for colour blind people like me! It makes it impossible to tell which seat is taken from outside the train.
Probably does help others through!

 

[DaveyJones]

So that begs the question why 805 807 were not fitted with the same speed supervision, if the hardware onboard exists to implement it?

i mean to perform the same function as TASS - obviously without the need to supervise tilt activation.

RIS-0784-CCS suggests they use different packet IDs?

 

[GoneSouth]

Not for colour blind people like me! It makes it impossible to tell which seat is taken from outside the train.
Probably does help others through!

What colour would they need to be to help with colour blindness?

 

[eastwestdivide]

What colour would they need to be to help with colour blindness?

Depends on the type of colourblindness I guess. I have difficulty distinguishing the red from the yellowy-orange on the LNER trains, but the green is fine. At least colour isn’t the only indication of reservation status, although you need to be closer to read the text, rather than being able to see a whole carriage at a glance.

 

[GoneSouth]

Depends on the type of colourblindness I guess. I have difficulty distinguishing the red from the yellowy-orange on the LNER trains, but the green is fine. At least colour isn’t the only indication of reservation status, although you need to be closer to read the text, rather than being able to see a whole carriage at a glance.

The traffic lights are brilliant for being able to see at a glance the whole carriage. If you have poor sight you can never read the text so the traffic lights are the best to cater for that. How could they cater for colour blindness and make them accessible to people who can’t read the text

 

[eastwestdivide]

The traffic lights are brilliant for being able to see at a glance the whole carriage. If you have poor sight you can never read the text so the traffic lights are the best to cater for that. How could they cater for colour blindness and make them accessible to people who can’t read the text

Exactly. That’s what I was getting at.

 

[Bikeman78]

The traffic lights are brilliant for being able to see at a glance the whole carriage. If you have poor sight you can never read the text so the traffic lights are the best to cater for that. How could they cater for colour blindness and make them accessible to people who can’t read the text

I think it is excellent. So do my kids. Very simple to understand.

 

[TrainViation]

When is it likely that more 810s other than the first "token" unit will enter passenger service? I've read that the 810s are meant to enter service next month, though I've been told it isn't likely that there will be a lot of them soon.

 

[liamf656]

When is it likely that more 810s other than the first "token" unit will enter passenger service? I've read that the 810s are meant to enter service next month, though I've been told it isn't likely that there will be a lot of them soon.

First diagram becomes booked 810 from tomorrow followed by another one on Tuesday 02/12. 810011/12/13 get handed over in December also, so I'd assume we'll have a few more out in the new year

 

[Nottingham59]

First diagram becomes booked 810 from tomorrow followed by another one on Tuesday 02/12. 810011/12/13 get handed over in December also, so I'd assume we'll have a few more out in the new year

Will that be enough to cover withdrawals of the Meridians, I wonder?