Great Northern Fleet - 379s introduction

[Intercity_225]

Is this the first day where all three Letchworths are 379 operated?

028 and 002 on the 17:24 Kings Cross - Letchworth
024 and 001 on the 17:54
023 and 025 on the 18:24

 

[St. Paddy]

379016/022 have returned from Ferme Park to Hornsey depot

 

[St. Paddy]

Does anyone know if there’s an increase in diagrams from tomorrow as 5 or 6 387s have been moved from Hornsey to Ferme Park today

 

[TSGN Spotter]

379s now on the 1T02 diagram for the first time.

 

[St. Paddy]

379s now on the 1T02 diagram for the first time.

Also 12car 379s for the first time on GN

 

[Peter Sarf]

Also 12car 379s for the first time on GN

I think that means the number if available 379s now out numbers 377s by enough for the 379s to take over the complicated splitting and joining diagrams. Thus leaving the fewer 387s 377s on simpler diagrams that 379s were doing. As per what I read somewhere up thread (a long way up thread).

 

[St. Paddy]

I think that means the number if available 379s now out numbers 377s by enough for the 379s to take over the complicated splitting and joining diagrams. Thus leaving the fewer 377s on simpler diagrams that 379s were doing. As per what I read somewhere up thread (a long way up thread).

I take it you mean 387 rather than 377. 379007 and 018 have also now entered service

 

[Peter Sarf]

I take it you mean 387 rather than 377. 379007 and 018 have also now entered service

Oh my brain - yes 387s !.

 

[62484GlenLyon]

Are all of 379011 - 379015 still at Worksop or have any come south in the last few weeks??

 

[St. Paddy]

Are all of 379011 - 379015 still at Worksop or have any come south in the last few weeks??

Still there, Hornsey has no room for them yet. 009 is still in the yard with its pan down waiting for a C4 having been there for nearly a month

 

[62484GlenLyon]

Thanks for the update.

 

[MikeWM]

I think that means the number if available 379s now out numbers 377s by enough for the 379s to take over the complicated splitting and joining diagrams. Thus leaving the fewer 387s 377s on simpler diagrams that 379s were doing. As per what I read somewhere up thread (a long way up thread).

Guess that explains why 1T19 (the 0947 ELY-KGX) was a 387 rather than a 379 this morning, for the first time (that I've caught it, ~3 times a week) since May. Confused me temporarily, though it did mean there was wifi available for the first time in months.

 

[bramling]

Guess that explains why 1T19 (the 0947 ELY-KGX) was a 387 rather than a 379 this morning, for the first time (that I've caught it, ~3 times a week) since May. Confused me temporarily, though it did mean there was wifi available for the first time in months.

There’s been a swap round of diagrams effective from the start of this week. Kings Lynn services now tend to be 379s, whilst 387s are doing some of what were previously the 379 diagrams. Shades of how the 387s took over from the 365s.

IIRC once the new timetable comes in I think everything north of Cambridge is 379, on paper at least, unless I’ve missed something.

 

[jon0844]

There are a couple of units going around with 'Not in Service' on the screens, also announcing as such inside at every station. Has occurred for at least two days now.

 

[MikeWM]

There’s been a swap round of diagrams effective from the start of this week. Kings Lynn services now tend to be 379s, whilst 387s are doing some of what were previously the 379 diagrams.

Yes, my usual evening services appear to have gone 387->379. Interesting that they've swapped this around so close to the timetable change, though I guess they had to do something with more 387s going south.

IIRC once the new timetable comes in I think everything north of Cambridge is 379, on paper at least, unless I’ve missed something.

Saturdays too? Would be very happy to see the back of the 700s that do most of the Ely terminators.

 

[ZJ517]

Yes, my usual evening services appear to have gone 387->379. Interesting that they've swapped this around so close to the timetable change, though I guess they had to do something with more 387s going south.



Saturdays too? Would be very happy to see the back of the 700s that do most of the Ely terminators.

I am currently on 1L48 (1724 King's Cross - Letchworth) which seems to be one of the ex-379 services now have a pair of 387s. On a flip side, 1T50 (1739 KX - King's Lynn) has gone 3x 379s.

 

[bramling]

I am currently on 1L48 (1724 King's Cross - Letchworth) which seems to be one of the ex-379 services now have a pair of 387s. On a flip side, 1T50 (1739 KX - King's Lynn) has gone 3x 379s.

Make the most of it! The Letchworth services disappear next month, and the (inferior) replacement Cambridge service features 700/0 quite heavily.

 

[St. Paddy]

Make the most of it! The Letchworth services disappear next month, and the (inferior) replacement Cambridge service features 700/0 quite heavily.

Still 3 Letchworth starts in the mornings and one starts back at Royston

 

[bramling]

Still 3 Letchworth starts in the mornings and one starts back at Royston

Stop at a lot more stations unfortunately, making them much less desirable for London journeys.

It’s possible this pattern may well prove not too popular.

 

[Class455]

Not sure how long it’s been in service for, but 379007 is currently working 1T22 to Kings Lynn. I could tell it’s only just been introduced as it had no logos!

 

[windjabbers]

Just catching up with all the changes. I think this is the state of the fleet now. 3 at Hornsey which ahve not yet entered service. 011 to 015 still at Worksop. The rest are in use or have been used by GTR.

UNIT STATUES	First day of service with GTR
001	in service with GTR based at HE	25 May 25
002	in service with GTR based at HE	10 Feb 25
003	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Sep 25
004	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
005	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Sep 25
006	in service with GTR based at HE	?
007	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
008	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
009	At Hornsey but not in passenger service
010	in service with GTR based at HE	12 May 25
011	Stored at Worksop
012	Stored at Worksop
013	Stored at Worksop
014	Stored at Worksop
015	Stored at Worksop
016	in service with GTR based at HE	05 Mar 25
017	in service with GTR based at HE	12 May 25
018	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Oct 25
019	At Hornsey but not in passenger service
020	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Mar 25
021	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Aug 25
022	in service with GTR based at HE	10 Feb 25
023	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Mar 25
024	in service with GTR based at HE	?
025	in service with GTR based at HE	?
026	in service with GTR based at HE	02 Feb 25
027	in service with GTR based at HE	?
028	in service with GTR based at HE	?
029	in service with GTR based at HE	29 Mar 25
030	At Hornsey but not in passenger service

 

[St. Paddy]

Just catching up with all the changes. I think this is the state of the fleet now. 3 at Hornsey which ahve not yet entered service. 011 to 015 still at Worksop. The rest are in use or have been used by GTR.

UNIT STATUES	First day of service with GTR
001	in service with GTR based at HE	25 May 25
002	in service with GTR based at HE	10 Feb 25
003	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Sep 25
004	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
005	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Sep 25
006	in service with GTR based at HE	?
007	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
008	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
009	At Hornsey but not in passenger service
010	in service with GTR based at HE	12 May 25
011	Stored at Worksop
012	Stored at Worksop
013	Stored at Worksop
014	Stored at Worksop
015	Stored at Worksop
016	in service with GTR based at HE	05 Mar 25
017	in service with GTR based at HE	12 May 25
018	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Oct 25
019	At Hornsey but not in passenger service
020	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Mar 25
021	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Aug 25
022	in service with GTR based at HE	10 Feb 25
023	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Mar 25
024	in service with GTR based at HE	?
025	in service with GTR based at HE	?
026	in service with GTR based at HE	02 Feb 25
027	in service with GTR based at HE	?
028	in service with GTR based at HE	?
029	in service with GTR based at HE	29 Mar 25
030	At Hornsey but not in passenger service

379019 noted in passenger service today, no idea when its first appearance was though

 

[windjabbers]

Just catching up on what going on with these units: -

5 units 011-015 are still stored at Worksop. The rest are now at Hornsey. Of these, two units 009 and 030 are yet to be used by GTR. The rest are either in use, or have been used at some point by GTR for their Great Northern Services. Any updates on location or if either 009 or 030 have been used by GTR, or when the remaining 5 will make it down to Hornsey would be welcome.

UNIT STATUES	First day of service with GTR
001	in service with GTR based at HE	25 May 25
002	in service with GTR based at HE	10 Feb 25
003	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Sep 25
004	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
005	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Sep 25
006	in service with GTR based at HE	?
007	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
008	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
009	At Hornsey but not in passenger service
010	in service with GTR based at HE	12 May 25
011	Stored at Worksop
012	Stored at Worksop
013	Stored at Worksop
014	Stored at Worksop
015	Stored at Worksop
016	in service with GTR based at HE	05 Mar 25
017	in service with GTR based at HE	12 May 25
018	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Oct 25
019	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Nov/Dec 25
020	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Mar 25
021	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Aug 25
022	in service with GTR based at HE	10 Feb 25
023	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Mar 25
024	in service with GTR based at HE	?
025	in service with GTR based at HE	?
026	in service with GTR based at HE	02 Feb 25
027	in service with GTR based at HE	?
028	in service with GTR based at HE	?
029	in service with GTR based at HE	29 Mar 25
030	At Hornsey but not in passenger service

 

[bramling]

Just catching up on what going on with these units: -

5 units 011-015 are still stored at Worksop. The rest are now at Hornsey. Of these, two units 009 and 030 are yet to be used by GTR. The rest are either in use, or have been used at some point by GTR for their Great Northern Services. Any updates on location or if either 009 or 030 have been used by GTR, or when the remaining 5 will make it down to Hornsey would be welcome.

UNIT STATUES	First day of service with GTR
001	in service with GTR based at HE	25 May 25
002	in service with GTR based at HE	10 Feb 25
003	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Sep 25
004	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
005	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Sep 25
006	in service with GTR based at HE	?
007	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
008	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Oct 25
009	At Hornsey but not in passenger service
010	in service with GTR based at HE	12 May 25
011	Stored at Worksop
012	Stored at Worksop
013	Stored at Worksop
014	Stored at Worksop
015	Stored at Worksop
016	in service with GTR based at HE	05 Mar 25
017	in service with GTR based at HE	12 May 25
018	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Oct 25
019	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Nov/Dec 25
020	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Mar 25
021	in service with GTR based at HE	?? Aug 25
022	in service with GTR based at HE	10 Feb 25
023	in service with GTR based at HE	25 Mar 25
024	in service with GTR based at HE	?
025	in service with GTR based at HE	?
026	in service with GTR based at HE	02 Feb 25
027	in service with GTR based at HE	?
028	in service with GTR based at HE	?
029	in service with GTR based at HE	29 Mar 25
030	At Hornsey but not in passenger service

Can anyone post which units are “wrong way round” (ie with first class positioned at the country end)?

I have at least 379007/18/21 as wrong way round. Anyone know of any others?

GTR were quite good about getting the 387s all turned to face the same way, so hopefully this will get sorted with the 379s.

 

[thediamonder11]

I know they attempted to turn 18 and 21 on the 13th but that failed due to a broken rail on the NLL.

 

[milooo]

Are all of the GN 700 services supposed to be 379s when they all come in?

 

[bramling]

Are all of the GN 700 services supposed to be 379s when they all come in?

No. Since May 18 there’s always been around 8x 700/0 diagrams on the GN side, not including Sevenoaks. More recently there’s also been 1x 700/1 diagram (which does a peak Peterborough) nominally off the back of Littlehampton ending.

Whilst there’s a little bit of slack in the 379 and especially the 387 diagrams, this isn’t enough to eliminate 700 working, and we’re still at a point where the full 379 fleet isn’t available yet, though there’s still a small handful of additional 387s on GN above the planned 13 units.

It would be possible to reduce the 700 operation a bit if desired, and I’m sure the slack in the 387 fleet has been left deliberately to allow them to cover 379s and 700s.

The obvious next uplift on GN, if required, would be lengthening one or more peak Peterboroughs to 12 cars, so that would account for a couple more potential Electrostar diagrams in the future.

One change this month which no doubt will be a positive for some has been the elimination of normal 700 use north of Cambridge. Given how the 700s seem to have quite often managed to escape to north of Cambridge over the years since their introduction, I wouldn’t be surprised they will re-appear there at some point though, especially during engineering work timetables.

 

[wagnaga]

Presumably 700s being scheduled to run some services routinely retains driver knowledge?

 

[Failed Unit]

Presumably 700s being scheduled to run some services routinely retains driver knowledge?

Not sure that matters, the Thameslink services will probably be enough for that.

I would be good to get rid of the 700s, they seem harder to avoid in the new timetable (in the past anything starting / terminating at Letchworth was generally safe)

 

[Bikeman78]

Presumably 700s being scheduled to run some services routinely retains driver knowledge?

King's Lynn drivers can drive them south of Cambridge. They used to drive 313s, and went to Moorgate. They probably still do the same with 717s.