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Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates

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Nottingham59 said:
Does that diagram follow the usual pattern of SHF-LON-NOT-LON-SHF?
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According to RTT (currently a 7-car 222):
5C17 0522 Etches Park Sdgs - Sheffield
1C17 0700 Sheffield - St Pancras International
5C17 0923 St Pancras International - Cricklewood A To E Sidings
5F32 1103 Cricklewood A To E Sidings - St Pancras International
1F32 1132 St Pancras International - Sheffield
1C59 1400 Sheffield - St Pancras International
5D61 1620 St Pancras International - St Pancras International
1D61 1705 St Pancras International - Nottingham
1B88 1913 Nottingham - St Pancras International
1F82 2132 St Pancras International - Sheffield
5F82 0003 Sheffield - Etches Park Sdgs

(Passenger services in bold, ECS in italics)
 
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MatthewE707 said:
According to RTT (currently a 7-car 222):
5C17 0522 Etches Park Sdgs - Sheffield
1C17 0700 Sheffield - St Pancras International
5C17 0923 St Pancras International - Cricklewood A To E Sidings
5F32 1103 Cricklewood A To E Sidings - St Pancras International
1F32 1132 St Pancras International - Sheffield
1C59 1400 Sheffield - St Pancras International
5D61 1620 St Pancras International - St Pancras International
1D61 1705 St Pancras International - Nottingham
1B88 1913 Nottingham - St Pancras International
1F82 2132 St Pancras International - Sheffield
5F82 0003 Sheffield - Etches Park Sdgs

(Passenger services in bold, ECS in italics)
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Beat me to it! Yes I've heard internally that this will be the first diagram from 25th, subject to the usual disclaimers

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I've been reliably corrected on the dates, first one will run Tuesday 25th Nov and the second from Tuesday 2nd Dec
 
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eastwestdivide said:
0828 Merchant Park to Derby Etches Park run scheduled for tomorrow, surely an 810:

Realtime Trains | 5Q17 0828 Merchant Park Sidings to Etches Park Sdgs | 03/11/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q17 0828 departure from Merchant Park Sidings to Etches Park Sdgs on 03/11/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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It's all it can be, nothing else there.
Will most likely be 810010 which should have left last week.
 
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Nottingham59 said:
Why would that be a priority for EMR?

I'd have thought that with EMR facing a shortage of capacity, handing over shorter units first would be better, if they can get away with it.
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Commercial contracts don't care about political priorities.
 
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NCT said:
Commercial contracts don't care about political priorities.
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The thing about our lawmakers, is that they do make the laws. Whilst extreme, there are legal instruments for the government to use, should they wish.
 
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Yew said:
The thing about our lawmakers, is that they do make the laws. Whilst extreme, there are legal instruments for the government to use, should they wish.
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There's a reason we have separation of powers, so governments can't just change to rules at will.
 
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Yew said:
The thing about our lawmakers, is that they do make the laws. Whilst extreme, there are legal instruments for the government to use, should they wish.
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There are indeed, but only as an absolute last resort - not because EMR are short of several Meridians.
 
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Yew said:
The thing about our lawmakers, is that they do make the laws. Whilst extreme, there are legal instruments for the government to use, should they wish.
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It's worth thinking about the consequences of what you are suggesting. If the government decided to unilaterally make a significant amendment to a fair and legal contract, made between two private companies in good faith then it would have massive consequences way beyond the railway industry. Effectively it would be legalised theft. It would effectively mean that no one could ever trust the government with a contract again. That in turn would push the cost of contracts with the government up significantly, as companies would need to price in the risk. Politically, a Labour government running roughshod over established company law would decimate their respect in the business community.

If the DfT wants to keep those trains for longer, they just need to negotiate with First to hire them back. It's been made clear on here that this is an available, if expensive option.
 
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Lots of "Coming soon Aurora" messages have appeared on the platforms at Nottingham when I walked through this morning.
 
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swinny1990 said:
Any pics
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Here's a photo of one of the floor vinyls saying "coming soon", the "oo" in soon being a pair of headlights. EMR state that it's "Banksy style" artwork is designed to generate curiosity on the soon-to-enter-service Class 810s
 

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hwl said:
The legal starting point of a 4th party failing to perform isn't going to stand up to much scrutiny in court especially if DfT, 810 ROSCO and EMR failed to use every instrument they had in their powers (which they haven't) let alone sufficiently early enough.
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Presuming “which they haven’t” means haven’t used every instrument as opposed to haven’t failed to use every instrument, I think Abellio winning the franchise despite being the only qualified bidder rather set the tone!
 
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This has got disaster written all over it. Stinks of panic over losing the Meridians to Lumo and being short of stock along with the usual political situation of "let's just get one unit into service to meet the latest dates we have promised."

My prediction is that the first unit in service will reach Derby on its ECS run before it fails and is returned to depot :lol:
 
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If it is 1c17 on 24th November, would it use electric from Wigston South Jct or stay on diesel power?
 
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Just tried to tidy things up a little by moving some of the stuff into this thread:

Stopgap options to cover for delays to introduction of Class 810 for EMR?

Moderator note: split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-810-for-east-midlands-railway-construction-introduction-updates.195052/page-115#post-7169043 Recent rumour control (and I emphasise RUMOUR, albeit from “inside”)… First 222s to leave in December for full refurb prior to...
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If everyone could keep this one on topic from here it would be much appreciated.
Thanks :)
 
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