That is indeed correct, and well worth their while.Did Austria not also pay for the South to East curve at Rosenheim - used almost exclusively by Austrian transit traffic between Kufstein and Salzburg?
That is indeed correct, and well worth their while.Did Austria not also pay for the South to East curve at Rosenheim - used almost exclusively by Austrian transit traffic between Kufstein and Salzburg?
There was a huge hoo-hah about Westerners going into the East, in particular if taking your car (which I did in 1984), which required visas from both the GDR and Poland, and having in the car one Brit and one American only doubled everything. in London, Poland would not give me a visa until I had a transit one from the GDR, and on applying to the GDR they of course wanted a Polish one first as that's where were were goingI think the thing with East Berlin was that the East didn't mind Westerners coming and spending their plentiful money there, it was all about stopping their own people escaping to the West. Thus while no doubt if you pulled the cord and opened the doors at one of those stations you'd get more than a bit of a stern telling off, the main reason the guards were present was to ensure no East residents could board the trains.
I was very surprised to discover on my first visit post-Wende that Friedrichstrasse surface station had a triple arched train shed. The GDR S-Bahn section of the station was so well sealed off from the rest that I hadn’t realised it was there!Two of the U-Bahn lines now passed in tunnel under a salient of East Berlin, Line 8 ran nonstop there with all the stations closed and guarded, while Line 6 stopped at Friedrichstrasse, and this was actually a principal way to get between the two halves of the city, with the controls above in the surface buildings.
There were a good number of quite decent restaurants and bars in East Berlin, where although they were well used to visitors most patrons seemed locals. I actually used to spend more than the minimal daily allowance in them - you could change additional currency in any InterShop.The annoying thing about getting a day visa for East Berlin is that you had to change a certain amount of DMs for Ostmarks on a 1:1 basis - the 'normal' rate was far more advantageous of course. It became quite difficult to find things to spend Ostmarks on - I still have some in drawer somewhere I think.
On my only visit it would have been impossible to eat my way through the 25M minimum. I needed more however as I got one if the best seats in the Opera House. You could change back anything over the minimum but I missed the booth on the way out and had to ask quite well through the process. I was then escorted back to the booth and back again to where I had got to - avoiding the checks the second time, which certainly turned a few heads!There were a good number of quite decent restaurants and bars in East Berlin, where although they were well used to visitors most patrons seemed locals. I actually used to spend more than the minimal daily allowance in them - you could change additional currency in any InterShop.
The direct trains used to be sealed before Schengen. So no person could alight or board illegally.Doubt if those are real corridor trains as the parallel S-bahn trains do stop at the German stations.
Today you don't enter Germany as long as you are "in transit" and it does not matter if you take a direct or stopping train. You only enter Germany when leaving the train. Otherwise, this would create a huge hassle, for example when having stuff on you that would not be legal or require documentation to take across the border.
It fits every definition of a corridor train.
There were a good number of quite decent restaurants and bars in East Berlin, where although they were well used to visitors most patrons seemed locals. I actually used to spend more than the minimal daily allowance in them - you could change additional currency in any InterShop.
According to the Dutch wikipedia the line was fenced off at the border during WW1. In Baarle there are still Dutch buses crossing through Belgium by the way without stopping. This nowadays also applies to bus route 19 which crosses through Belgium to get from Hulst to Roosendaal.Another curiosity was the line from Tiburg (Netherlands) to Turnhout (Belgium) which closed in 1973. In the Dutch town of Baarle and environs there are numerous Belgian exclaves which consist of just a street or even a few houses - the railway passed through Belgian territory no less than five times in a short distance. It is now a cycle path. I always wondered what happened in WW1 when the Netherlands were neutral and Belgium was in German occupation.
With a through train you formally don't enter Germany, with a stopping train you do. Wikipedia provides a link to the law in German in which this is documented.I'd be interested to know where this is documented so passengers know where they stand (or, with luck, sit).
I must say I'd just assumed that it did formally enter Germany and if that might cause someone trouble it would be their problem.
With a through train you formally don't enter Germany, with a stopping train you do. Wikipedia provides a link to the law in German in which this is documented.
As visible on the linked page, there is even a Swiss customs checkpoint (for written declarations) at Jestetten station.
I understand that at Basel Bad, the ticket barrier included frontier formalities, and as long as you didn't leave the station, you were regarded as staying in Germany.
As already described here, there was a GDR shop, an "InterShop", down on the platform which sold all sorts, mainly slightly cheaper (western) cigarettes
You could change back anything over the minimum
I don't think the concept really applies any more within Schengen and the EU customs area, because there aren't really any immigration formalities to complete (unless temporary ones are in force). Thus it's in effect just a domestic train service.
On another thread (amid confusion on the meaning of the term "cabotage", which doesn't mean this) there was mention of Korridorzuege - "corridor trains" - whereby a train passes through another country between two points in the first country without immigration formalities because there are no stops for boarding or alighting (though little would stop the use of the door release if stopped at a signal).
On another thread (amid confusion on the meaning of the term "cabotage", which doesn't mean this) there was mention of Korridorzuege - "corridor trains" - whereby a train passes through another country between two points in the first country without immigration formalities because there are no stops for boarding or alighting (though little would stop the use of the door release if stopped at a signal).
While Schengen makes it a bit moot, trains from western Austria to Wien pass through Germany in this way.
Also what is the correct English term for it?
Simarly there is the line from Divaca (Slovenia) to Pula (Croatia) which is yet another example sort of similar to the Luxembourg one. The line in Croatia here is completely isolated from the rest of the Croatian railway network. It is mostly served by Slovenian trains.
The GDR used to permit persons arriving at Berlin-Schönefeld airport, which was situated in the GDR proper outside the city limits of Berlin, to transit to West Berlin via the Friedrichstrasse station. In the 1980s as anxieties about unauthorised entry into West Berlin grew ID checks were introduced in the U- and S-Bahn trains transiting through Friedrichstrasse. As Berlin was still formally under Allied occupation it was compulsory for all persons to carry an id, though most of the time this wasn't enforced. The checks were carried out by West Berlin police. At the same time custom spot-checks started too, especially for passengers alighting at Anhalter Bahnhof from southbound trains.But one of these allowed those nasty capitalist westerners-with their precious hard D-marks!- to alight and buy cheaper stuff (alco+tobacco mostly) at the ´INterShop´. As border as such was not recognised, there were thus also nu customs checks coming back in the west.
You're right, I think I interpreted the law wrong. You enter Germany but are excluded from any formalities unless you break German law. Which is something you would do if transporting that would not be considered legal in Germany or requires special documentation.I'd be interested to know where this is documented so passengers know where they stand (or, with luck, sit).
I must say I'd just assumed that it did formally enter Germany and if that might cause someone trouble it would be their problem.
Although Schengen may have rendered many of the formal legalities moot, there must still be regulations to cover events such as a death in the train occurring or a crime being committed while in transit. Being by nature in border areas there is likely these days to be a great deal of cooperation between police forces but it does somewhere have to be laid down which jurisdiction applies (and in what circumstances).
The situation that occurred to me is the following (we’ll assume the Austrian transit route via Germany as its long enough for incidents to arise):Or you just have no special rules at all - if a train crosses into another country and back that's exactly what it does.
Which is how I assumed it worked.
I can imagine edge cases where this could cause trouble (like someone without the right to leave the country, Schengen or no) but in practise I suspect it's not something that would be likely to actually cause trouble.
I think in Baarle-Nassau/Hertog Belgian and Dutch police patrol together so at least somebody has jurisdiction whichever side of the border they're on; I don't know if that's the case for any of the railway examples.The situation that occurred to me is the following (we’ll assume the Austrian transit route via Germany as its long enough for incidents to arise):
Are Austrian police officers authorised to carry and if necessary deploy firearms on Austrian territory? Yes.
On German territory without special agreement - AFAIK no.
Two Austrian police officers on duty are travelling by train from Kufstein to Salzburg. As the train crosses the border an incident occurs which would warrant the drawing of firearms - are they permitted to or not. I don’t know the answer - but the mere fact that the question arises means it would require an agreement / treaty to cover it.
May well be - but the point is that special arrangements still have to be made for such corridor trains despite the advent of Schengen that means the travelling public is now barely aware of their significance.I think in Baarle-Nassau/Hertog Belgian and Dutch police patrol together so at least somebody has jurisdiction whichever side of the border they're on; I don't know if that's the case for any of the railway examples.
This geographical anomaly (the town of Štrpci) was the scene of a gruesome occurrence during the Balkan wars - the Belgrade to Bar train was much used by people going on holiday on the Montenegrin coast. On 27th February 1993, a group of uniformed men entered the office of the Štrpci railway station and demanded - with menaces - that the Belgrade to Bar train be stopped. They entered the train and abducted 20 passengers after checking their IDs - 19 of whom were Bosnian Muslims. The victims were trucked to the a house in Mušići, where they were shot dead. The reason for this was that the short strip of railway land was in "Republika Srpska", a lawless enclave run mainly by militias, where simply not being a Serb was reason enough to kill you.The line from Serbia into Montenegro briefly goes through Bosnia-Herzegovina
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Pedant hat firmly screwed on, but as it’s the topic of the thread- the Transit trains to West Berlin weren’t true Korridorzuege as passengers were subject to East German controls.I also did the 'corridor' trains from West Germany - inbound Hamburg to Berlin and outbound Berlin to Munich via Hof. Little did I think that just a few years later the wall would come down.
Though many of those crossings are incidental, for only a few meters at a time. You have to wonder why they didn't make the border follow the railway slightly more cohesively...The line from Rogatec (Slovenia) to Hromec (Croatia) crosses the border an incredible fifteen times. That is fifteen border crossings within about ten minutes. This railway line goes from Slovenia to Croatia to Slovenia to Croatia to Slovenia to Croatia to Slovenia to Croatia to Slovenia to Croatia to Slovenia to Croatia to Slovenia to Croatia to Slovenia to Croatia all within a space of around ten minutes or so. This line has seven separate sections of Slovenian railway that are disconnected from the rest of the Slovenian network and seven separate sections of Croatian railway that are disconnected from the rest of the Croatian network. With fifteen border crossings it must hold the world record for the most amount of times that a train crosses the same border.
Because the aftermath of WWI and the collapse of the central European empires was not a good time for that?Though many of those crossings are incidental, for only a few meters at a time. You have to wonder why they didn't make the border follow the railway slightly more cohesively...
Depending on when it was built, the line was entirely within Yugoslavia, or before that entirely within the Austro-Hungarian empire. What is now the border was a minor local administrative division, I guess.Though many of those crossings are incidental, for only a few meters at a time. You have to wonder why they didn't make the border follow the railway slightly more cohesively...