johncrossley
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Are Swiss trains genuinely reliable and can we believe the punctuality statistics? Is so, how do they prevent trains and infrastructure breaking down? Are they doing things that other countries aren't?
Having more slack in the times, less intensive service so infrastructure isn't as congested.Are Swiss trains genuinely reliable and can we believe the punctuality statistics? Is so, how do they prevent trains and infrastructure breaking down? Are they doing things that other countries aren't?
This data on short and medium distance trains from the European Passenger's federation: https://www.epf.eu/wp/10929-2/Are Swiss trains genuinely reliable and can we believe the punctuality statistics? Is so, how do they prevent trains and infrastructure breaking down? Are they doing things that other countries aren't?
Impressive that Switzerland applies a tighter on time definition than others.This data on short and medium distance trains from the European Passenger's federation: https://www.epf.eu/wp/10929-2/
suggests that Swiss trains are very highly reliable, 2nd from the top for long distance reliablity and 8th for short and medium distance reliability. It also has graphs suggesting that Switzerland spends a lot on new infrastructure.
It certainly seems to be required for the Taktfahrplan system- journeys reliant on making a connection are always much more sensetive to delays (because a delay on either train can slow the journey down), although I don't know if the taktfahrplan or the high reliability came first.
As with the Taktfahrplan, punctuality has trade offs- both the speed and the frequency are less than could have been paid for with the same investment money.
Interestingly, although the graph suggests Switzerland is near the top level of punctuality for countries with big railway networks, Austria, Denmark and the Netherlands all do better on short and medium distance services - so perhaps "smallish countries which have been reasonably well off for a long time" also helps explain exactly where the best results are found.
I always wanted to visit Switzerland and eventually went last year. I got trains between Geneva airport and my hotel several times and they were bang on time and I was very impressed. However on one of the days , we did a day trip to Lausanne and two trains in a row were cancelled and we incurred an hour delay. Guess every country has its problems.Are Swiss trains genuinely reliable and can we believe the punctuality statistics? Is so, how do they prevent trains and infrastructure breaking down? Are they doing things that other countries aren't?
SBB also had/have strategically placed spare trains (ersatzzug) at places such as Basel and Zürich that can slot in to a path to maintain the internal timetable if a service from another country is delayed.In the past, I have seen the Swiss send off the Swiss add on coaches to international services as a separate train, to avoid picking up delays from late arrivals from other countries.
Japan says helloIn good part because they keep their physical plant and rolling stock in immaculate condition. Never saw a railway network where maintenance was taken as seriously as over there.
Yes, Marc, puts his finger on it. I recall discussing this with the CEO of the BLS in 2011 and some of his team. Their view was that the budgets for maintenance of track and train had always been preserved through ups and downs of the economy and, as a result, both were highly reliable. Which is certainly borne out by experience of travelling there the past 20 years...In good part because they keep their physical plant and rolling stock in immaculate condition. Never saw a railway network where maintenance was taken as seriously as over there.
Yes, and the emphasis is on passenger journeys being reliable, which is very different to the UK approach!Are Swiss trains genuinely reliable...
Not in all cases, and indeed there are plenty of examples of UK trains having loads of slack.Having more slack in the times...
Perhaps @Oscar can provide some examples to the contraryless intensive service so infrastructure isn't as congested.
Yes it can happen anywhere, but out of many journeys since 2018, I'm yet to experience anything like that.I always wanted to visit Switzerland and eventually went last year. I got trains between Geneva airport and my hotel several times and they were bang on time and I was very impressed. However on one of the days , we did a day trip to Lausanne and two trains in a row were cancelled and we incurred an hour delay. Guess every country has its problems.
I guess I was comparing it to a London and Southeast service level.Yes, and the emphasis is on passenger journeys being reliable, which is very different to the UK approach!
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Not in all cases, and indeed there are plenty of examples of UK trains having loads of slack.
Perhaps @Oscar can provide some examples to the contrary
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Yes it can happen anywhere, but out of many journeys since 2018, I'm yet to experience anything like that.
SBB also had/have strategically placed spare trains (Ersatzzug) at places such as Basel and Zürich that can slot in to a path to maintain the internal timetable if a service from another country is delayed.
Above all, long-term planning requires long-term financing. No company will develop resources simply because funds are available for the next four or five years. That not even be enough for ramping up the training for specialists. These funds must be guaranteed for at least 15 or 20 years. Otherwise, the situation will be similar to that in Germany, where available funds could not be claimed. There were no resources available for planning or implementation. Money alone is not enough.So the conclusion seems to be (what we all know) that reliability costs money - more money spent on maintenance, more money spent on infrastructure, more money spent on spare infrastructure, rolling stock (and I daresay staff). Not rocket science. We can churn over the reasons for this, which largely are a matter of cultural and historical differences.
Worth noting that Switzerland uses a stricter definition of "late" here so it would actually be placed higher in a fair comparison.8th for short and medium distance reliability.
I don't think it's as simple as reliability being directly correlated with money spent with no other factors involved, though.So the conclusion seems to be (what we all know) that reliability costs money - more money spent on maintenance, more money spent on infrastructure, more money spent on spare infrastructure, rolling stock (and I daresay staff). Not rocket science. We can churn over the reasons for this, which largely are a matter of cultural and historical differences.
The bold part is really important.It's also worth noting that Swiss train punctuality has increased year-on-year since 2019 from an already high base. 93.20% of all SBB trains were on time in the calendar year 2024, compared to 92.54% in 2023, with punctuality for train connections ('Anschlusspünktlichkeit') being as high as 98.7%. (A train is punctual in Switzerland if it arrives within three minutes of its scheduled arrival time.)
Spent a week in and around NE Switzerland in late September and wouldn't say there was slack on the schedules at all. Used a variety of Thurbo, IR and IC services. All trains perfectly clean inside and out and right time running except the Munich-Zurich services which were late on inbound services on most days but still extraordinarily well used whatever the day of the week. Drivers flat out from every station and sustained running between station calls. Where they do benefit massively over the UK is having plenty of platforms to accommodate multiple service groups simultaneously thus providing good connections. Oh and even the local bus services connect well and advertised on the train information screens.Having more slack in the times, less intensive service so infrastructure isn't as congested.
Strict adherence to train categories so you don't have semi fast commuter services crossing from fast to slow lines etc (unlike Thameslink, LNR and GWR services)
A genuine question here - how much management time over here (and in Switzerland - if ever applicable) goes into analysing why particular trains (or groups of services) are consistently 1 or 2 minutes late. A 60 minute delay is the one that “makes the headlines “ but is almost certainly due to something unexpected. Situations where either 50% of trains leave station x 1 or 2 minutes late or train x is almost always 1 or 2 minutes late suggest a systematic problem - and that’s what we seem to have.So the conclusion seems to be (what we all know) that reliability costs money - more money spent on maintenance, more money spent on infrastructure, more money spent on spare infrastructure, rolling stock (and I daresay staff). Not rocket science. We can churn over the reasons for this, which largely are a matter of cultural and historical differences.
Which also means that you don't get stuck outside stations waiting for platforms to become available. This helps prevent delays from spreading further.Where they do benefit massively over the UK is having plenty of platforms to accommodate multiple service groups simultaneously thus providing good connections.
Investment in maintenance and renewals is very important too.The Germans have the same idea as the Swiss taktfahrplan, lots of infrastructure and platforms etc.
Their railways make the UK look very reliable!
So the conclusion seems to be (what we all know) that reliability costs money - more money spent on maintenance, more money spent on infrastructure, more money spent on spare infrastructure, rolling stock (and I daresay staff). Not rocket science. We can churn over the reasons for this, which largely are a matter of cultural and historical differences.
I think you’ll find a lot of Germans would react with incredulity to that statement nowadays (although to a certain extent that is an indication of expectations raised by decades of excellent punctuality!)The Germans have the same idea as the Swiss taktfahrplan, lots of infrastructure and platforms etc.
Their railways make the UK look very reliable!