Difference between the terms "Guard" and "Conductor"?

[Krokodil]

To confuse thing further i understand that the freight operators in the USA also have a "Conductor" role that is kind of similar to what would be called a "Shunter" over here.

More like a Trainman D

 

[ac6000cw]

To confuse thing further i understand that the freight operators in the USA also have a "Conductor" role that is kind of similar to what would be called a "Shunter" over here. They work in freight yards and couple and uncouple wagons and operate points. So in the USA a "Conductor" on a passenger operator is similar to the UK role but a "Conductor" on a freight operator is a completely different role.

Standard US & Canada freight train crew is Engineer (driver) and Conductor (who rides in the front cab, and is required to observe and 'call out' signals to the Engineer). The Conductor also handles any freight car switching (shunting) that might be needed enroute e.g. if it's a local freight servicing customers along the way, and checking/fixing (if possible) train faults that occur enroute (including changing broken coupler knuckles). Basically the Conductor handles the 'on the ground' work that might be needed enroute. Sometimes a local freight might carry an assistant for the Conductor (traditionally a 'Brakeman') if needed for switching - some locations need an extra person to do switching efficiently/safely.

(Switching = Shunting, Switcher/Switch Engine = Shunting loco).

 

[Flange Squeal]

With all these mentions of 'Train Manager' being used to describe a Guard, lets not forget GB Railfreight (GBRf) who call their Drivers.... 'Train Managers'!

 

[stadler]

Another thing that can be confusing for passengers is that the same train can be worked by a guard with a different job title on different days. This is because many TOCs have two different names for their guard roles and they both sign many of the same routes. So the same train can be worked by either role.

GWR are the biggest example of this. They have both "Conductor" and "Train Manager" roles who sign a large amount of the same routes. For example on the North Downs line from Reading to Redhill and on the Reading to Basingstoke line you mainly see a "Conductor" but sometimes you can get a "Train Manager" instead. The same for many Cornwall and Devon branches and various other GWR routes. Then also on Greater Anglia on the Norwich to London and Sheringham and Great Yarmouth and Lowestoft trains you can sometimes get a "Conductor" working it and other times get a "Senior Conductor" working it.

Enterprise trains from Belfast to Dublin are even more confusing with three different roles used depending on the journey. At the moment around 50% have a "Guard" onboard and around 25% have a "Conductor" onboard and around 25% have a "Train Manager" onboard. So this one train service uses three different job titles for guards depending on what service you are on.

 

[Lewisham2221]

I hear passengers refer to me as either the "ticket man" or "driver" (yes, really!) far more than guard, conductor or train manager. The vast majority of passengers using the latter terms are usually other rail staff or enthusiasts.

 

[py_megapixel]

I remember being on a train where a member of staff came on the PA, introduced themselves as the guard and announced that we were being delayed because he was having a problem with the train doors... which lead to a discussion among a group of passengers sat nearby about why on earth the company needed to employ a member of staff to guard the doors, i.e. stand in front of them and protect them!

 

[Akela]

I wonder if Conductor is preferred because it sounds less “aggressive” than Guard, which outside of the railways is a term that’s used to describe someone with a security or military role (think royal guard for example).

 

[Krokodil]

I wonder if Conductor is preferred because it sounds less “aggressive” than Guard, which outside of the railways is a term that’s used to describe someone with a security or military role (think royal guard for example).

Originally that was their function - guarding stagecoaches from highwayman.

 

[TUC]

As much as I dislike the adoption of American terms on this side of the Atlantic, the term “guard” is probably a little archaic - doesn‘t it originate in the days of stagecoaches when an armed guard would ride with the driver? So not strictly readily transferable to describe a member of train crew. Though I’ll warrant a few of today’s guards/conductors/TMs would quite like to carry a pistol or a sword, especially on later trains on Fridays and Saturdays……..

I would say the opposite. 'Guard' is a term the public is familiar with, and conveys a greater sense of authority.

 

[Rab Smith]

We have been renaming roles in the railway for years. When I started I was a trackman on a p-way squad and then worked my way through various S&T technician roles like wireman, installer, IT and SIT which all now come under the term on track operative unless I'm mistaken.
Lots of names for the same job. Can we call the Pway guys shovel engineers?

 

[CharlieSpotted]

You don't have to be managing people to be a manager - you can be managing the overall situation.

Whilst I think this is utter nonsense, it's worth noting that this situation isn't unique to the railway. In my world you will frequently come across "Sales Managers" or "Customer Account Managers" that are not "managers" in the sense of looking after a team at all.

 

[Roy Badami]

It seems to me that there are, as others have said, two different things here.

In the legal/regulatory sense, a guard is a specific role, with specific duties, as per the rule book. However, what job title a particular company chooses to give their guards is entirely up to them (as is what additional duties, if any, they may require them to perform - e.g. revenue related - over and above those specified by the rule book.)

You can make an analogy here with commercial aviation. Pilot in command is a legal/regulatory role on any commercial flight. Captain is the job title that airlines give to those pilots that they authorise to perform the role of pilot in command. In practice, a captain will be pilot in command on (virtually) every fight they fly, because, well, they're highly qualified and highly paid professionals so you would generally not unnecessarily schedule two of them on the same fight (although it can happen if crew are out of place).

So, guard, and pilot in command, are legal and regulatory roles that staff take on. Conductor/train manager/etc and (in the aviation world) captain are job titles that employees performing those roles typically have.

 

[tfw756rider]

I hear passengers refer to me as either the "ticket man" or "driver" (yes, really!) far more than guard, conductor or train manager. The vast majority of passengers using the latter terms are usually other rail staff or enthusiasts.

I remember reading a Twitter/X thread and someone kept insisting that the train is driven by "the driver who drives the train by pressing buttons by the doors" or something like that

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I remember being on a train where a member of staff came on the PA, introduced themselves as the guard and announced that we were being delayed because he was having a problem with the train doors... which lead to a discussion among a group of passengers sat nearby about why on earth the company needed to employ a member of staff to guard the doors, i.e. stand in front of them and protect them!

 

[BeijingDave]

Train Captain sounds ridiculous. It sounds like they work for Starfleet!

I don't like the term Train Manager. I guess it makes sense, but it smacks of trying to sound like an airline. Conductor or guard sound much better to me.

While I am aware that they manage the train, calling somebody Manager who doesn't lead a team of staff always sounds a bit excessive to me.

 

[Mat17]

While I am aware that they manage the train, calling somebody Manager who doesn't lead a team of staff always sounds a bit excessive to me.

I always assume they are managing the train, i.e. the doors, the PA systems, the boarding and alighting passengers etc. I don't automatically think that they have to manage other staff.

Still I prefer conductor/guard.

 

[BeijingDave]

I always assume they are managing the train, i.e. the doors, the PA systems, the boarding and alighting passengers etc. I don't automatically think that they have to manage other staff.

Still I prefer conductor/guard.

I think in most other industries/professions, someone with extensive duties (but usually no staff to directly manage) is usually called an 'officer' rather than a manager.

For example, an 'Exams Officer' in a school/university.

 

[tfw756rider]

I always assume they are managing the train, i.e. the doors, the PA systems, the boarding and alighting passengers etc. I don't automatically think that they have to manage other staff.

I was thinking the same thing

 

[Annetts key]

I think in most other industries/professions, someone with extensive duties (but usually no staff to directly manage) is usually called an 'officer' rather than a manager.

For example, an 'Exams Officer' in a school/university.

Under BR, the team leader of the S&T (Signalling & Telecommunications Department) Signalling Faulting Team or the highest Telecoms graded 'team leader' had the grade of 'Technician Officer'.

Interestingly, the local management for S&T did not include the word manager in the grade/title.

IIRC the complete list of S&T grades were (lowest to start with):

• Railman
• Trainee Technician
• Assistant Technician
• Technician
• Leading Technician / Leading Installer (only on installation teams, where they were the team leader if no Senior Technician on duty)
• Senior Technician (team leader on maintenance or installation teams including Telecoms)
• Technician Officer (only on signalling maintenance faulting teams or on Telecoms, a team leader, in both cases, will direct the activities of the Senior Technicians and Technicians etc.)
• Supervisor
• Signalling Maintenance Assistant (local depot manager)
• Signalling Maintenance Engineer (normally responsible for an area with multiple SMAs)

 

[SouthStand]

I don’t feel the need to call them anything. If I need to get their attention I’ll just say “excuse me” like I would to anyone else in a working role.

It’s all going to be moot anyway, when unstaffed trains become the norm.

 

[Annetts key]

It’s all going to be moot anyway, when unstaffed trains become the norm.

Don't worry about unstaffed trains, we are still a long way from that happening. Even extending driver only operated trains is not happening as quickly as some people predicted.

The role of the guard (or whatever the train company names that position) in both selling tickets and checking tickets has actually increased the justification for keeping them in areas where there are unstaffed stations.