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TfW - how to manually select ticket type?

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This is intertwined with ScotRail's decision to make their Anytime fares the same as their Off Peak fares (note the careful wording here - they haven't abolished Anytime fares).

Here is me trying to buy a return from Eskbank to Bellgrove tomorrow morning. The timing of it would have been peak time. However, for ScotRail to marry their fares, they've removed the restriction codes on Off Peak fares. Sounds fine on paper.

Here is stage 1:

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Here is stage 2:
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You can see at this point the quoted fare is a whopping £45.50. I cannot see anywhere on this page to change my ticket type. If anybody can see one could they please let me know how to use it?

In the absence of a manual ticket type option, I click continue.

Here is step 3:

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This view to me is bizarre, as it suggests the only option I have is to buy 2x Anytime Day Singles.

To add insult to injury, here is what happens on the ScotRail website:

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But all of this is garbage isn't it? Because as you can see in the top right on the ScotRail screenshot, there's a button to change the ticket to an Off Peak Day Return for £22, less than half the price.

Click that button and suddenly you get this:

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I have a few issues here:

  1. Is there a way of manually selecting ticket types on the TfW website? If so, where is it?
  2. Why does ScotRail's website offering a combination of two tickets >200% of the price of a ticket with effectively the same conditions (in fact, better conditions on the cheaper ticket as it's an open-ended return)?
  3. Has anyone seen any worse examples of this on ScotRail since, particularly any involving split tickets, because I imagine their booking engine will be absolutely awful at working out the best value fares with split tickets if it can't even get this right?
Predicting the obvious - I get 14% cashback on TfW and Trainline tickets, though Trainline charge a booking fee, so I'd like to book my ticket with TfW if possible. I'm making this journey semi-regularly at the moment and the savings will add up.

Edit: please ignore my %s. I read £22 as £20 for some reason. The percentages are nearly accurate, I just cba to recalculate them now :D
 
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On your first TfW screen, below the £45.50 offer there is a box which has the £22 ticket ("Cheapest").
If you click that I reckon you get the ticket you want.
I can't see any fare at £45.50 single on the BRFares listing.
 

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On your first TfW screen, below the £45.50 offer there is a box which has the £22 ticket ("Cheapest").
If you click that I reckon you get the ticket you want.
I can't see any fare at £45.50 single on the BRFares listing.
I'm sorry I'm maybe being dense. Can you circle where this 'Cheapest' offer is? I probably can't see the woods for the trees but I have glanced at these on mobile just now and can't see it.

The £45.50 isn't a single fare - it's 2x Anytime Day Single fares.

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I'm sorry I'm maybe being dense. Can you circle where this 'Cheapest' offer is? I probably can't see the woods for the trees but I have glanced at these on mobile just now and can't see it.

The £45.50 isn't a single fare - it's 2x Anytime Day Single fares.
Oh sorry I see what you mean. Yes but I don't want that train, I want the one which arrives earlier.

Maybe I've missed a restriction code. I'll get on my laptop and check. Not easy on mobile.

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On your first TfW screen, below the £45.50 offer there is a box which has the £22 ticket ("Cheapest").
If you click that I reckon you get the ticket you want.
I can't see any fare at £45.50 single on the BRFares listing.
Ok I'm at a slight loss. Why is the one arriving slightly earlier more expensive? It appears to permit breaking at Glasgow Queen St/Central but doesn't the cheaper one arrive later allow that also?

I'm a bit of a noob on ticketing compared to most forum members.

In either case I'm not sure it really resolves the question of why ScotRail(/Trainline) default to selecting the more expensive tickets first, when they're on the services arriving at :25?
 
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I think it's not seeing the option via GLQ as valid for the return - so the £45.50 is a ESK-GLQ (£22.50), GQL-BLG (£2.20) and a BLG-ESK (£20.80) - all singles. It's offering the GLQ option via Falkirk High as it's a few mins quicker.
 

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I'm sorry I'm maybe being dense. Can you circle where this 'Cheapest' offer is? I probably can't see the woods for the trees but I have glanced at these on mobile just now and can't see it.
It's to the left of the "Continue" button, under the £45.50 panel.
I'm looking on a Windows PC.
 

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It's to the left of the "Continue" button, under the £45.50 panel.
I'm looking on a Windows PC.
No sorry, I replied with an update since then.

I see that TfW has somehow found an early journey which is more expensive though I haven't worked out why. Seems @davp has nailed that one.

What I'm still confused about is why ScotRail and other sites offer the combination of two singles when a return is cheaper, and their booking engine even is self-aware of this as it highlights in the top left that there's a cheaper option, just it does so in less obvious colours/sizes/positions than the main 'Continue' button.

It seems particularly silly in ScotRail's case given that it's a ScotRail change in fares/restrictions which is causing this.
 

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What I'm still confused about is why ScotRail and other sites offer the combination of two singles when a return is cheaper
It's just Trainline's UI (and ScotRail's site being a Trainline whitelabel) being daft. If you select two specific journeys it defaults to two singles, with return tickets in a separate section at the bottom of the page. All the TrainSplit sites (like this forum's) as well as at least Avanti (of the sites I use) lets you select the journeys first then which tickets you want based on those journeys.
 

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Unfortunately, it's typically not possible to benefit from cashback as well as getting the user experience that sites such as the forum's ticketing site provides.

Unlike train companies such as LNER and TfW, we don't have access to taxpayer funds to offer cashback. Trainpal is another one that offers unsustainable deals on the basis of being backed by investors who think that offering such details will generate brand loyalty.

Sometimes it may be worth foregoing cashback for a better user experience, but ultimately it's the user's choice. Some people wish to take away that choice, but that's a new topic! ;)
 
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