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Thoughts on the Trump presidency

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I wouldn’t read anything into his words at all. Virtually everything he says is made up. He’s fake from head to toe.
 
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A topic of discussion today was the question of if DJT is suffering from dementia. I'm not a doctor, but I'll let his words speak for him: https://www.threads.com/@decodingfo...8ecs2O25HsCbDMVi9WihpHBFAFL0eYa5auUpFg&slof=1

Link is to a video with portion of a recent DJT speech read by text-to-speech software.
Oh it's very clear that he's suffering serious mental decline at this point. As I've said before. Compare various speeches and press conferences from his first term to what we're getting now and it's blindingly obvious he's nowhere near the same as he was.

Of course because it's Trump though that's fine, unlike when it was Auto-pen Joe :rolleyes:
 

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I suppose the big difference between Biden and Trump is that Biden was sensible and said sensible things so it's easier to see any decline mentally, Trump on the other hand always said strange/mad stuff so it's been difficult to tell if he's just becoming more authoritarian or he's just plain losing it.
Plus there is probably a good proportion of his followers that like his madder and madder ideas.
 

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I suppose the big difference between Biden and Trump is that Biden was sensible and said sensible things so it's easier to see any decline mentally, Trump on the other hand always said strange/mad stuff so it's been difficult to tell if he's just becoming more authoritarian or he's just plain losing it.
Plus there is probably a good proportion of his followers that like his madder and madder ideas.
Biden was clearly showing early signs of dementia but at least he came across as leaving things to his administration staff where he didn't think he could handle them himself, whereas Trump is the sort of person who would simply rule in an erratic, incoherent manner as the result of dementia or cognitive decline.

A few months ago I created this graphic of how I would place various past and present political parties/movements/leaders on the left/right political spectrum. I personally feel the political spectrum is less of a linear line but more of a horseshoe (between communism and fascism, with a narrow gap in between since both have different ideologies but tend to rule in a similar totalitarian manner) as shown below:

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Trump is probably about as far to the right in my view as what the UK's Militant Tendency was to the left during the 1970s and 1980s. I made this graph around the time Badenoch became the Tory leader, and in the time since they have probably shifted to being closer to Brothers of Italy or Javier Milei on this graph.
 
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Trump is probably about as far to the right in my view as what the UK's Militant Tendency was to the left during the 1970s and 1980s. I made this graph around the time Badenoch became the Tory leader, and in the time since they have probably shifted to being closer to Brothers of Italy or Javier Milei on this graph.
I agree with most of your evaluations, but I would put Reform in basically the same location as Bolsanaro.
 

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Trump is probably about as far to the right in my view as what the UK's Militant Tendency was to the left during the 1970s and 1980s. I made this graph around the time Badenoch became the Tory leader, and in the time since they have probably shifted to being closer to Brothers of Italy or Javier Milei on this graph.
I agree with most of your evaluations, but I would put Reform in basically the same location as Bolsanaro.
Likewise, but I'd also move Putin above Mussolini, now he's waging full-on war in Ukraine and killing opponents at home far more easily and numerously than pre-2020. Netanyahu might also be worth adding to this, I'd put him similar to Putin as well (pre-2023 he'd have been closer to Milei's position on this chart).
 

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I made this graph around the time Badenoch became the Tory leader,
Very interesting. Thatcher might need her own spot but balancing her free market liberalism vs her utterly brutal shock troops in police uniforms presents a challenge.
 

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I agree with most of your evaluations, but I would put Reform in basically the same location as Bolsanaro.
At the time I made this almost a year ago, the MAGA movement didn't feel quite as extreme as it does now because it did not hold power (even though Trump had just been elected for a second non-consecutive term). I would now probably swap the positions of MAGA and Bolsonaro around. Reform do not currently feel quite as bad as the MAGA Republican Party but there's a good chance that this is because they are not currently in power. Some of the policies of the few Reform led councils, for example cutting disability support, banning certain books from libraries and refusing to speak to outlets other than GB News, all sound very out of the MAGA playbook. At the same time England is a lot less religious than much of the US, and I don't feel Reform have a significant Evangelical influence in the way that the Republicans do. If I recall correctly the Reform MP who won Runcorn in a byelection voted yes in the assisted dying vote, whereas their Labour predecessor had been against. There is little chance that a Republican politician representing a socially conservative region of the US would openly come out in favour of such a bill.

The Republican Party of Reagan was fairly comparable to Margaret Thatcher's Tories with a bit of DUP style Christian nationalism thrown in if you include the Moral Majority faction of the GOP from this era. That's why I put "traditional GOP" in-between the Tories as they were under Johnson and Sunak (which was probably fairly comparable on the spectrum to under Thatcher, but further to the right than under Cameron or May) and the DUP. Northern Ireland's DUP are not actually that right wing on economic issues (on the economic scale they are fairly close to New Labour or the One Nation wing of the Tories) but were originally founded on the teachings of Free Presbyterianism and are quite conservative on social issues, although they've become a little more moderate in the past 20 years or so with Traditional Unionist Voice now being essentially the "old" DUP.
 

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Please tell me if these ramblings from him are normal (for him) or not.
Trump without Trump you won't have to listen to his voice or see his face. During a speech to top military officers Trump went on a tangent of sorts about Joe Biden's use of the auto pen, and big, beautiful, firm paper...and gold...always about gold.
Link to website where you will find the video

Link takes you to threads.com where a video has been posted. The original sound has been removed and a text to speech system reads out Trumps words. The image itself has a text box obscuring Trump. So you don't see or hear him.
 

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Please tell me if these ramblings from him are normal (for him) or not.

Link to website where you will find the video

Link takes you to threads.com where a video has been posted. The original sound has been removed and a text to speech system reads out Trumps words. The image itself has a text box obscuring Trump. So you don't see or hear him.
Take away the bloated orange visage and low energy mumble that he's recently adopted and the raw words spoken by tts feel much closer to those of a five your old. Neatly underscores that Trump's appeal lives via a cult of personality. It's certainly nothing to do with coherent thoughts or words.
 

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Neatly underscores that Trump's appeal lives via a cult of personality. It's certainly nothing to do with coherent thoughts or words
Absolutely. Trump is far more incoherent than Biden was by the end, yet people flocked to him. Almost as though a black woman was just too much for the flyover states to bear.

The personality cult suits the people behind Trump just fine, though. They’re the ones who terrify me. Same as with Reagan, who didn’t know what day it was most of the time, the people behind him could push anything through with the personality cult.
 

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Absolutely. Trump is far more incoherent than Biden was by the end, yet people flocked to him. Almost as though a black woman was just too much for the flyover states to bear.

The personality cult suits the people behind Trump just fine, though. They’re the ones who terrify me. Same as with Reagan, who didn’t know what day it was most of the time, the people behind him could push anything through with the personality cult.
Yes, that chimes with my view. While Trump rambles and lurches between ideas, it acts as a smokescreen behind which the real maniacs can develop their programme.
 

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Having previously offered words of support for Argentina's failing currency, the US administration has now gone and actually intervened and bought Argentine pesos:


The US Treasury has intervened in Argentina’s currency market for the first time, as the Trump administration tries to help its ally President Javier Milei contain a run on the peso. Treasury secretary Scott Bessent said the institution had “directly purchased Argentine pesos” on Thursday to boost the currency, after Argentine authorities rapidly burnt through their own reserves in recent weeks. Since 1996, the US has only intervened in currency markets three times prior to Thursday’s move, according to the New York Fed.

If the Argentine economy continues to see a run on the peso despite this, this has the potential to backfire on the US, losing a high proportion of the value on the purchases. Even if small in the grand scheme of things, the PR will be very bad. Even if this doesn't happen, this blunts the "America First" narrative.
 

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Having previously offered words of support for Argentina's failing currency, the US administration has now gone and actually intervened and bought Argentine pesos:


If the Argentine economy continues to see a run on the peso despite this, this has the potential to backfire on the US, losing a high proportion of the value on the purchases. Even if small in the grand scheme of things, the PR will be very bad. Even if this doesn't happen, this blunts the "America First" narrative.

A very good chance that traders will know this and the peso will continue falling in value...
 

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Feel for the staff who have to deal with him today not being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.
 

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Feel for the staff who have to deal with him today not being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.
Oh this is going to be a tantrum of epic proportions. Quite honestly any White House staffers not calling in sick today have only themselves to blame!
 

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Oh this is going to be a tantrum of epic proportions. Quite honestly any White House staffers not calling in sick today have only themselves to blame!
Someone tell him that the deadline for nominations was January and that he can apply next year!
 

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Also, to add insult to injury for Trump, the award went to a woman from Venezuela.
I think that they've been quite tactically clever though in their choice of winner. It's a woman from Venezuela, but at the same time it's the opposition leader to Maduro so is something or a snub to an enemy of Trump's America.

Not sure it will work and I reckon there's a none zero chance we wake-up to reports of American bombing raids on Oslo tomorrow morning.
 

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Someone tell him that the deadline for nominations was January and that he can apply next year!
Judging by the committee's announcement about how democracy is on the retreat and authoritarian governments are seeking to to shut down free press, criticism and even imprisoning their detractors, I think he's going to be disappointed next year too!
 

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Amazing. I've seen it said a white house press officer said the committee chose politics over peace. It's beyond pathetic. Relevant extract from article quoted below alongside link to full article.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70821201ego
Among those who missed out was US President Donald Trump, who has made no secret of his desire to get the prestigious award, with multiple public overtures on the seven wars he claims to have ended.
Nominations for the award closed in January. A White House official responded by saying the "Nobel Committee proved they place politics over peace" .
 

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So, Trump will start a flight over the peace prize...? :rolleyes:
It would be quite the irony, but I've honestly given up being surprised by things now.

Between Norway's decision not to give him a peace prize, and his obsession with taking over 98% of Denmark's land mass; I wouldn't be surprised if he just started a new tariff system for Scandinavia.
 

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Neatly underscores that Trump's appeal lives via a cult of personality.

I was listening to Cult of Personality by Living Colour on repeat on the train the day after he was reelected last year, and the lyrics felt extremely relevant despite the song having been 36 years old then (now 37). It seemed a little absurd to me why the Americans were willing to choose him again four years after he essentially instructed his most hardline supporters to storm the Capitol. I overheard several other people on the same train talking about Trump as well, and they all seemed quite bemused as to why he had been reelected over a much more sensible candidate who held far more moderate views and was nearly 20 years younger.
 

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