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[milooo]

I think they’re on hire to GBRf

That would explain it!

 

[47286Dan]

I'm unsure if anyone has mentioned this but my local RHTT has diagrams on RTT! With DB locos! https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H53284/2025-10-01/detailed
(Link is to a realtime trains of a RHTT with loco diagrams)

I think they’re on hire to GBRf

@milooo
If you check the RHTT thread I’ve posted this working this morning with a description that they are, like @Class15 has said, on hire to GBRf. I’ll try and remember to post every morning.

Dan

 

[Tom]

BTW: The entitlement of enthusiasts is both hilarious and maddening! No idea how you put up with it!

Something about a knowledge that people on one internet bulletin board are not representative of the wider community and public in general. There's always a few who shout louder than others - it's a part of human nature.

Thanks @Tom - I understand. I see that a few months later:

• The "Newcastle" popular departure boards link still goes to Leeds

Again, expected for next release - which should be quite soon. We can make underlying data changes more easily than we can template changes at the moment.

• There are still no graphics for the 756s, despite them looking similar to the 231s, which do have graphics (150137/139/141 also still don't have graphics despite the rest of the West Midlands Trains classes having graphics, but that's less important)

speak for yourself! I find the lack of graphics for these 3 units to invalidate the entire concept of RTT. I know what the units look like as I ride on them every day but still.............

Graphics has quite a big backlog for ... obvious reasons. Expecting more to go up quite soon.

Also, I'm hoping to be able to add some limited allocations for another operator in the next few weeks too. Let the wibble commence!

 

[ainsworth74]

Let the wibble commence!

The wibble had stopped?

 

[trainmania100]

London underground bakerloo from tracker net API

 

[Tom]

The wibble had stopped?

I don’t often encourage it though

London underground bakerloo from tracker net API

No, it’s not the Underground.

 

[31160]

I don’t often encourage it though


No, it’s not the Underground.

Overground?? Either way rtt is invaluable keep it up, the graphics really do help

 

[Class15]

Maybe a freight operator? I doubt Freightliner somehow due to the split/sale of the business but anything is possible!

 

[50002Superb]

Elizabeth Line?

 

[matt]

Elizabeth Line?

Those allocations are already on rtt

 

[animationmilo]

Are you able to make the TFW active travel 153s show when they are working without a 150
It’s sad not being able to see what set they are

 

[73128]

London North Western allocations seem to have disappeared from RTT (today, Friday). Any idea why please?

 

[Kite159]

London North Western allocations seem to have disappeared from RTT (today, Friday). Any idea why please?

Seems to be showing now

 

[bluegoblin7]

No, it’s not the Underground.

Alderney Railway?

 

[Iskra]

How come RTT is now showing the Flying Scotsman’s moves? I thought they were deliberately suppressed to avoid trespass and other silly incidents?

 

[ainsworth74]

One that's always slightly puzzled me (and I assume it's a data issue rather than an RTT specific issue) is why when a service is part cancelled the allocation seems to drop off RTT. For example here's one from Saturday:

Realtime Trains | 2D16 0924½ Middlesbrough to Saltburn | 11/10/2025

Real-time train running information for 2D16 0924½ departure from Middlesbrough to Saltburn on 11/10/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Now this was formed of 156482 as booked on that diagram (the service which should have gone to Eaglescliffe terminated short at Middlesbrough so they just restarted from there) and 156482 continued to operate the diagram as booked (with another early termination at Middlesbrough a bit later on) but RTT doesn't then show the unit allocation for that diagram until a bit later when it pops back up on 2D23 (the first service which ran throughout). Always wondered why that's the case?

 

[pokemonsuper9]

How come RTT is now showing the Flying Scotsman’s moves? I thought they were deliberately suppressed to avoid trespass and other silly incidents?

Isn't there a specific message on RTT for Flying Scotsman services that say "it's going to be busy, don't be stupid" (in a few more words)

 

[Tom]

How come RTT is now showing the Flying Scotsman’s moves? I thought they were deliberately suppressed to avoid trespass and other silly incidents?

Isn't there a specific message on RTT for Flying Scotsman services that say "it's going to be busy, don't be stupid" (in a few more words)

Flying Scotsman is typically held off until the last minute and published 24-48 hours before departure. For public services certain characteristics are placed on the schedules in agreement with Network Rail to enable us to publish it.

One that's always slightly puzzled me (and I assume it's a data issue rather than an RTT specific issue) is why when a service is part cancelled the allocation seems to drop off RTT. For example here's one from Saturday:

Realtime Trains | 2D16 0924½ Middlesbrough to Saltburn | 11/10/2025

Real-time train running information for 2D16 0924½ departure from Middlesbrough to Saltburn on 11/10/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Now this was formed of 156482 as booked on that diagram (the service which should have gone to Eaglescliffe terminated short at Middlesbrough so they just restarted from there) and 156482 continued to operate the diagram as booked (with another early termination at Middlesbrough a bit later on) but RTT doesn't then show the unit allocation for that diagram until a bit later when it pops back up on 2D23 (the first service which ran throughout). Always wondered why that's the case?

Some operators have different procedures in how they handle cancellations, and also it can be an artefact of the systems they use to do that. It's even worse when a service restarts, as some operators put the allocation on the original service (then cancelled!)...

 

[Iskra]

Flying Scotsman is typically held off until the last minute and published 24-48 hours before departure. For public services certain characteristics are placed on the schedules in agreement with Network Rail to enable us to publish it.



Some operators have different procedures in how they handle cancellations, and also it can be an artefact of the systems they use to do that. It's even worse when a service restarts, as some operators put the allocation on the original service (then cancelled!)...

Thanks for the explanation

 

[Tim_UK]

I think you have the wrong view of TOCs. They don't exist solely to provide information for enthusiasts, and some may have an objection to their data going in to RTT at the exclusion of everyone else.

The hate I've seen directed to TOCs who didn't share their data in the past is not pleasant reading and shows up a huge amount of privilege and expectation on the part of certain people.

I was reminded the other day, about another website which (accidentally) acquired a small number of militant users from an (not rail) enthusiasts group. The owner (and family) struggled with the legal threats, legal action, general harassment and hassle, which I believe came from less than 10 users. Out of 100 of thousands of happy users. For what was essentially a free service. Which was a factor in the demise of the site.

Be kind people.

Remember website development takes ages, and costs a fortune. And constrained by other stuff you are working on, an existing roadmap, costs, profit, complexity of the system, performance of the system, legal issues and licencing ....
And the open rail data (and the sites that use it and blend it. And manage to get additional data ) are a gift to the uk. We have an amazing set of tools. Yes, share your ideas of what you would like to see. But accept they might not happen.


And also remember that just because you want something, doesn't meant that the rest of the world thinks the same way.

 

[Freightmaster]

There are various technical and commercial reasons why we had to stage the changes. Subscriptions will be going live quite soon...

RTT+ is now live:

Realtime Trains | RTT+

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

I've subscribed to the annual option - it would be hypocritical of me not to!!



MARK

 

[BillStampy]

RTT+ is now live:

Realtime Trains | RTT+

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

I've subscribed to the annual option - it would be hypocritical of me not to!!



MARK

I'm tempted. In addition the historical data is being extended to 6 months from January 2026 as it says at the bottom of the page. Ooh..

 

[GBM]

Brilliant. Great work. Thank you

 

[Roger B]

I saw 769549 and 769535 heading south through Milton Keynes Central at around 11.25 yesterday morning - on 5Q00.

RTT shows 5Q00 as running throughout from Nuneaton to Euston, but it also carries a banner heading stating that the service was cancelled! I've not seen that before.

I daresay it's something to do with incoming data, rather than RTT itself, but I'm intrigued to know how that particular combinatuon can come about, if anyone knows, please?

Many thanks

 

[pokemonsuper9]

RTT shows 5Q00 as running throughout from Nuneaton to Euston, but it also carries a banner heading stating that the service was cancelled! I've not seen that before.

I daresay it's something to do with incoming data, rather than RTT itself, but I'm intrigued to know how that particular combinatuon can come about, if anyone knows, please?

I don't know what causes it but I do see it occasionally.

RTT+ is now live:

Realtime Trains | RTT+

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

I've subscribed to the annual option - it would be hypocritical of me not to!!

MARK

Is "All-day train allocation search" like a headcode search where it lists all the services with that unit on it?

 

[Freightmaster]

I don't know what causes it but I do see it occasionally.

Is "All-day train allocation search" like a headcode search where it lists all the services with that unit on it?

Yes. I've just tried 156429, which is on the Morecambe branch today and it gives this result:



(screenshot of new RTT unit allocation feature)


The entries continue right through to the ECS back to Barrow this evening.




MARK

 

[jp4712]

Strange - I've created an account this morning so I can subscribe to RTT+, but the verification code never arrives to my email address (yes I've checked, I did input the correct email address). Anyone else trying to register and having a problem?

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Strange - I've created an account this morning so I can subscribe to RTT+, but the verification code never arrives to my email address (yes I've checked, I did input the correct email address). Anyone else trying to register and having a problem?

I had no issues, the registration email did go to my junk, but arrived really quickly.

 

[nw-sparks]

I saw 769549 and 769535 heading south through Milton Keynes Central at around 11.25 yesterday morning - on 5Q00.

RTT shows 5Q00 as running throughout from Nuneaton to Euston, but it also carries a banner heading stating that the service was cancelled! I've not seen that before.

I daresay it's something to do with incoming data, rather than RTT itself, but I'm intrigued to know how that particular combinatuon can come about, if anyone knows, please?

5Q00 was cancelled at Nuneaton at 10:24, and then reinstated at 10:37. It looks like RTT didn't process the reinstating.

 

[trainmania100]

Obviously still working on it as there's no way back to train times from this page