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158824 & 158841 Talerddig accident units
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Jacob Porrett
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Hello. I was sent some news yesterday about 158841 being sighted on the M6 motorway. Can anyone elaborate further on this please?
Jacob Porrett
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Ah right ok I see. Any idea where they are coming from/going to please?
Jacob Porrett
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Thank you.Machynlleth to I’ve been told Doncaster
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150249
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From what I saw both coaches of 841 were on the move. I assume there might be some very slight structural damage on the other two coaches.
The other two are moving next weekend
Yorkshire09876
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Why are they going to Doncaster?
Yorkshire09876
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Photos on WNXX show that they appear to be complete still (i.e. not stripped for parts), so seems unlikely that they are going for scrap.
RUK
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Other operators could still use them after TfW have replaced them with the Class 197s, no?
150249
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Not if they're in a similar state to the 150s.
Nym
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They haven’t gone to Doncaster.
Also:
Wabtec Doncaster is not taking on any additonal work beyond the current vehicles workload. So would not be taking this on anyway.
DelW
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The decision will presumably rest with the ROSCO (either Porterbrook or Angel) rather than TfW.
It was stated on another thread (below) that GWR consider that 2032 will be the limit for keeping their 158s in service. So if the TfW ones are in similar condition, another 6 - 7 years service might be possible. The owners will have to balance the likely repair cost against the potential lease income.
How long will the Class 158 & 159 soldier on for?
156s are already a common sight on those routes, replacing those 156s with 158s probably wouldn't have a big impact. Yes, but the mainstay is still 150s. Also, Leeds to Wigan does sometimes suffer from dwell time issues, as it is a stopping service operated with 158s, especially if the train...
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Ah so they are heading to Doncaster for assessment then?
Bletchleyite
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6-7 years is coincidentally roughly how long Northern are likely to need a few more DMUs for to replace some of their worst rotting 150s pending the arrival of the new units.
Of course that doesn't mean they need all of them, and repair may not be economic for such a short period.
Are all vehicles damaged or could a hybrid unit be formed of the undamaged vehicles? If a pair the same maybe put them in others to make 3 car sets?
Of course that doesn't mean they need all of them, and repair may not be economic for such a short period.
Are all vehicles damaged or could a hybrid unit be formed of the undamaged vehicles? If a pair the same maybe put them in others to make 3 car sets?
Razorblades
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The future of these vehicles is subject to the decision of their owner, Angel Trains. Based on diagramming of the ETCS fleet of 158s they can probably be spared now, so a future operating life would be with a new user.
To respond to the comment immediately above, if the badly damaged cars are beyond economic repair, the two vehicles not directly impacted in the collision will require renewal of intermediate end couplers and gangway components and anything else found to fail inspection, but they could potentially form centre cars of units made up into triples, demand and commercial agreement permitting.
To respond to the comment immediately above, if the badly damaged cars are beyond economic repair, the two vehicles not directly impacted in the collision will require renewal of intermediate end couplers and gangway components and anything else found to fail inspection, but they could potentially form centre cars of units made up into triples, demand and commercial agreement permitting.
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158841 went to Worksop not Doncaster.
Aluminium (or more likely in this instance some form of Al alloy) corrodes almost as readily as steel, especially if you set up an electrolytic cell. It's also more prone to stress failure than steel
Aside from them both being at Worksop, I don’t think any anything else has really happened to them.
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