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For those that have done it, what is the average walk time between Southampton Southampton Central Station and Red Jet terminal?

Google Maps is stating 28 minutes but looking at the actual route, I'd say 20 minutes at most...

It is many years since I did it, but you should calculate on it being a good half-hour even if you are a brisk walker and there is still a lift at the corner of Asda to take you up. Do not underestimate just how many roads you have to cross.
 
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It is many years since I did it, but you should calculate on it being a good half-hour even if you are a brisk walker and there is still a lift at the corner of Asda to take you up. Do not underestimate just how many roads you have to cross.

I would say about 28 mins at a brisk walk, I usually cycle it in less than 10 mins with luggage to the car ferry terminal which is slightly closer.
 

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LOCAL BID TO BUY RED FUNNEL BLOCKED AS PRIVATE EQUITY SWOOPS IN​


A behind-closed-doors bid to bring Red Funnel back under local ownership has collapsed at the 11th hour, with Vectis Ferries Limited claiming their £100million rescue and investment plan has been pushed aside in favour of an international private equity buyer.

It can be revealed today (Friday) that the Isle of Wight-based group, led by a team of former Red Funnel executives and respected maritime experts, have spent the past 10 weeks negotiating with Red Funnel’s owners, but say their carefully-prepared bid has simply been used to drive up the price before being rejected.

Vectis Ferries has warned that another short-term investor taking control of the cross-Solent operator will do nothing to resolve the firm’s long-running problems, including outdated ferries and declining reliability.

The company has also made clear that, if shut out of the takeover process, it has credible options to launch a rival ferry service for the Isle of Wight.

The locally-led consortium includes Kevin George, former Chief Executive of Red Funnel, and Graham Barnetson, the ferry firm’s former Chief Financial Officer. They are joined by former non-executive director Patrick Seely, Wight Shipyard’s founder Peter Morton MBE, and shipping industry consultant and turn-around specialist James Walton.

The group says it has secured backing from a private shipping company, a respected Island family with deep maritime roots, and private investors. Together, they have pledged more than £100million for new next-generation ferries and shoreside facilities.

Crucially, the proposals included aluminium-built vehicle ferries that would slash crossing times and boost service frequency. This vision can create skilled jobs at Wight Shipyard while delivering faster, more reliable crossings for Islanders, businesses, and visitors alike.

In a strongly-worded statement, Vectis Ferries has said Red Funnel’s owners and advisers have prioritised ‘short-term incremental value’ and were now well advanced with an alternative offer, believed to be from an overseas private equity company.

A spokesperson for Vectis Ferries has said:

“Vectis remains ready to re-engage at the earliest opportunity. Until then, the chance to secure faster ferries, more frequent services, and new Island jobs is on hold – a reminder of what could be lost if decisions about the Island’s lifeline transport services continue to be left with those with no real ties to the community.

“It is time for Islanders to have a say in their future.”

The company has called on the Government to intervene, reminding Red Funnel’s lenders of their obligations given the lifeline status of cross-Solent services. It has also urged the rival private equity bidder to step aside in favour of an Island solution.

Vectis has already secured support from Isle of Wight MPs Richard Quigley and Joe Robertson, Council Leader Phil Jordan, and former trade union leader Sir Paul Kenny.

Red Funnel, which has changed ownership three times in the past 25 years, reported an accumulated loss of £195.9million earlier this year and continues to operate with ageing Raptor-class ferries that are increasingly unreliable.

While the company looks set to pass into the hands of yet another financial investor, Vectis Ferries has made clear it is prepared to compete head-to-head if necessary, keeping alive the prospect of new ships, local jobs, and a radical transformation of cross-Solent travel.

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Overall Red Funnel have had few problems this summer.
Red Osprey failed today with the 17:00 sailing from Southampton.

Wightlink have had staffing issues.

SATURDAY FERRY CANCELLATIONS HIT BOTH WIGHTLINK AND RED FUNNEL CUSTOMERS


There is disruption for those crossing the Solent with both Wightlink and Red Funnel this evening (Saturday) with several cancellations due to staffing issues and mechanical breakdowns.

Earlier on in the day Wightlink pulled the 12:40 and 14:40 sailings from Portsmouth Gunwharf and the 13:40 and 15:40 sailings from Fishbourne on its car ferry service. But there is more disruption expected this evening with the 20:00 sailing from Portsmouth also cancelled, alongside the 21:00 sailing from Portsmouth.

The cross-Solent operator says the cancellation of all 6 sailings is due to the absence of an essential crew member. This situation comes just days after Wightlink announced it is looking to slash its workforce, with the union RMT threatening strike action.

Unfortunately, those travelling with Red Funnel are not escaping the disruption. A mechanical breakdown on the East Cowes-Southampton vehicle ferry service has led to a number of cancellations this evening.

Island Echo understands the 17:00 sailing from Southampton, operated by Red Osprey, failed to make it to the Isle of Wight due to a mechanical breakdown. The vessel did an about turn and returned to Southampton, with passengers not offloading until 18:30.

Red Funnel has confirmed the cancellation of the 18:30 and 21:45 sailings from East Cowes, as well as the 20:15 from Southampton.

It is unclear at this early stage if the vessel will be able to be quickly repaired and back in service for tomorrow.
 

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Red Funnel have been taken over by private equity firm Njord Partners who say that they will restore the company’s health while retaining its standards, though no mention is made of prices. I see members of sus domesticus in the air.
 

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The two words "private equity" should be enough to send shivers down the spine of Wight residents.

This outfit look to be even worse than the typical private equity greed merchants, they have strong links to the Russian state including sanctioned individuals and and appear to be full on Putinites.
 

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Red Funnel have been taken over by private equity firm Njord Partners who say that they will restore the company’s health while retaining its standards, though no mention is made of prices. I see members of sus domesticus in the air.

Oh dear.
 

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Forgive me for not reading the whole thread. I don't know if it's been picked up that there is now a rival foot passenger ferry between Lymington and Yarmouth. Its Lymington terminal is the town quay, not Lymington Pier, so it's a walk to Lymington Town station to connect with trains.
 

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I presume we've already had the joke about what steams and comes out of Cowes......

I'll get my coat...... :smile:
 

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Forgive me for not reading the whole thread. I don't know if it's been picked up that there is now a rival foot passenger ferry between Lymington and Yarmouth. Its Lymington terminal is the town quay, not Lymington Pier, so it's a walk to Lymington Town station to connect with trains.

It will have to build up to a real all-day timetable if it is going to have any chance. However, what market are they going for: neither Yarmouth nor Lymington are great metropolises and if you don’t have a car with you to speed your onward journey, there is little advantage over Wightlink unless you are one of the few who are actually going centre to centre? I suspect that if it survives it will transform into a service orientated towards trippers and with travellers seen as no more than an extra.
 

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Forgive me for not reading the whole thread. I don't know if it's been picked up that there is now a rival foot passenger ferry between Lymington and Yarmouth. Its Lymington terminal is the town quay, not Lymington Pier, so it's a walk to Lymington Town station to connect with trains.

Just looking at their timetable, I'm not really sure who their target market is, the first boat off the island is 09.25 and the last one back off Lymington is 15:35.
 

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Just looking at their timetable, I'm not really sure who their target market is, the first boat off the island is 09.25 and the last one back off Lymington is 15:35.

This is only a start-up timetable and more services should be added before long. However, I can’t find anything on their website.

I also wonder how much the weather has been taken into account. I have been on the car ferries in fairly strong south-westerly winds: it is quite safe, but they do rock about and there are usually some passengers reliving Titanic (no, those are car alarms). I wonder what Quay2Quay will do in those circumstances as I can’t see Wightlink giving free ticket acceptance.
 

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I think there’ve been a number of failed attempts to run additional small passenger craft on the Ryde route, none of them lasted more than a few months. The staff costs are always going to be high in relation to the size of the craft and its capacity, I don’t think they get away with ‘driver only operation’ just cos they’re small…
 

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Forgive me for not reading the whole thread. I don't know if it's been picked up that there is now a rival foot passenger ferry between Lymington and Yarmouth. Its Lymington terminal is the town quay, not Lymington Pier, so it's a walk to Lymington Town station to connect with trains.
Just looked at their website; it's a tiny little catamaran so I'm not sure how reliable it will be in anything other than a flat calm...

I think I'll be sticking with Wightlink, not least because there is through rail ticketing available to and from Yarmouth.
 

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Just looked at their website; it's a tiny little catamaran so I'm not sure how reliable it will be in anything other than a flat calm...

I think I'll be sticking with Wightlink, not least because there is through rail ticketing available to and from Yarmouth.

It looks very similar to Ali Cat used by Calmac between Gourock and Dunoon, so the reliability will proabably be similar to that.
 

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It looks very similar to Ali Cat used by Calmac between Gourock and Dunoon, so the reliability will proabably be similar to that.

She is slightly smaller and only has a capacity of 110 plus a wheelchair: it appears that only 50 places are inside. Similar sized boats (to Ali Cat) have been used at times as a substitute for the Wightlink Portsmouth-Ryde Cat and could be a bit lively at times, and that was at the more sheltered end of the Solent.
 

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The Yarmouth - Lymington route is fairly well sheltered. The Hurst Castle spit sticks out a long way so restricting the influence of higher seas due to south west winds. It's also remote from the eastern end of the Solent. The Ryde route can be very exposed to south east winds.
 

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The Yarmouth - Lymington route is fairly well sheltered. The Hurst Castle spit sticks out a long way so restricting the influence of higher seas due to south west winds. It's also remote from the eastern end of the Solent. The Ryde route can be very exposed to south east winds.

Having used it regularly for over a dozen years I will agree that most of it is, but with a south-westerly the middle section can get pretty rough. Yarmouth is only just over two miles from Hurst Castle.
 

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Just looking at their timetable, I'm not really sure who their target market is, the first boat off the island is 09.25 and the last one back off Lymington is 15:35.
Perhaps students heading for school and further education?
The nearest secondary school for the western half of the island is in Carisbrooke, and Brockenhurst has a large 16-18 college that may attract pupils from the IoW (although depending on college timetabling, the Wightlink may well be more convenient).
 

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Perhaps students heading for school and further education?
The nearest secondary school for the western half of the island is in Carisbrooke, and Brockenhurst has a large 16-18 college that may attract pupils from the IoW (although depending on college timetabling, the Wightlink may well be more convenient).

There was for a few years a direct bus from Ryde via the Lymington Wightlink to Brockenhurst College, but recollection is that it ran out a lot earlier in the morning and back a bit later than these timings. Even if they run earlier ferries, you still have to get from Lymington Quay to Brockenhurst. I doubt that students are going to use the new service.

I really don’t see what regular traffic the new service will attract as there is no major local flow in either direction. There may be a few people living in central Lymington who will use it to save the long walk around to the Wightlink terminal or people coming across to Lymington itself who see the same advantage, but who else is there?
 

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There was for a few years a direct bus from Ryde via the Lymington Wightlink to Brockenhurst College, but recollection is that it ran out a lot earlier in the morning and back a bit later than these timings. Even if they run earlier ferries, you still have to get from Lymington Quay to Brockenhurst. I doubt that students are going to use the new service.

I really don’t see what regular traffic the new service will attract as there is no major local flow in either direction. There may be a few people living in central Lymington who will use it to save the long walk around to the Wightlink terminal or people coming across to Lymington itself who see the same advantage, but who else is there?
I really don't know, maybe some sort of integrated tour package has signed up with the company.
 

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Perhaps students heading for school and further education?
The nearest secondary school for the western half of the island is in Carisbrooke, and Brockenhurst has a large 16-18 college that may attract pupils from the IoW (although depending on college timetabling, the Wightlink may well be more convenient).

I did consider that, but the timings still don't quite work, unless the college only does 10:20 - 14:30 or similar.
 

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The only advantage that they have over Wightlink, other than any fares, is that at Lymington they berth much nearer the centre. However, I never saw many people either walking around by the road or catching the train just between Pier and Town: frequently I was the only one. There are probably a few daily commuters each way, but I doubt if the numbers are ever going to be massive: both towns really look the other way. Quay2Quay’s tickets are slightly cheaper than Wightlink, £560 for a three month season compared to £657 for 90 days, but the service will need to be a lot more frequent and reliable to take traffic from Wightlink. Even coach parties and tours are a problem as I am not sure if there is space for coaches at the quay in Lymington…and I’d hate to see a coach trying to get into Captain’s Row.
 

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I did consider that, but the timings still don't quite work, unless the college only does 10:20 - 14:30 or similar.
True.
The only advantage that they have over Wightlink, other than any fares, is that at Lymington they berth much nearer the centre. However, I never saw many people either walking around by the road or catching the train just between Pier and Town: frequently I was the only one. There are probably a few daily commuters each way, but I doubt if the numbers are ever going to be massive: both towns really look the other way. Quay2Quay’s tickets are slightly cheaper than Wightlink, £560 for a three month season compared to £657 for 90 days, but the service will need to be a lot more frequent and reliable to take traffic from Wightlink. Even coach parties and tours are a problem as I am not sure if there is space for coaches at the quay in Lymington…and I’d hate to see a coach trying to get into Captain’s Row.
I do think coach parties and tours will be a significant part of their market, maybe it's just a question of drop and go for the coach somewhere nearby the port but not at it.
 
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