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Andyh82

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Ah so they haven't used a defunct company name like many other parts of the country
I’ve just had a look and it was renamed way back in 1991, as was Hampshire Bus to Stagecoach (South) Limited which was another very early takeover by Stagecoach

Maybe there was later a policy change to not rename the actual legal company for later acquisitions hence why you’ve still got Yorkshire Traction, Thames Transit, Greater Manchester Buses South etc
 

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I once heard that the old names were retained as legal names by Brian Souter in case the business was sold on, as otherwise another party would have a business with "Stagecoach" in the name.
 

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I once heard that the old names were retained as legal names by Brian Souter in case the business was sold on, as otherwise another party would have a business with "Stagecoach" in the name.
That would make sense as Arriva in Midlands still had Stevensons of Uttoxeter and Wardle Transport as legal names
 

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I'm glad the X2 is studying as is. It is a reliable bus service when it is not subject to traffic delays the Liverpool end.
 

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Wonder if the X2 may move to Gillmoss with CNL running Preston

Be good for Preston as may open up more work sure as potentially route sharing the 40/41 with Lancaster unless it already happens
I can't see the X2 transferring over to Gillmoss. It would look strange for a bus in Metro livery to be in Preston.
 

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I can't see the X2 transferring over to Gillmoss. It would look strange for a bus in Metro livery to be in Preston.
Not really, as for example Bee Network routes go to Warrington and Huddersfield why couldn't a Mersey metro route go to Prestonbearing in mind well over half if not more of the Route is in the Metro area (eg Liverpool - Crossens)
 

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It's based at Chester having recently been repainted into the new livery in Rock Ferry depot
Wasn't sure not tracked in a while and last of the Allison gearbox ones at Chester with the others moving Gillmoss
 

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Rumours say CNL stagecoach have taken over Preston and Chorley depot is this true?
It is true insofar as CNL now manages Preston and Chorley depots. Currently though the routes and buses are still operating under the Ribble operators licence because Stagecoach rushed through the management division change, and didn't think to make that change, happen on the same date that they register the services to change over.
 

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It is true insofar as CNL now manages Preston and Chorley depots. Currently though the routes and buses are still operating under the Ribble operators licence because Stagecoach rushed through the management division change, and didn't think to make that change, happen on the same date that they register the services to change over.
Thank you for the information
 

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Is that why bustimes is still showing all depots under Merseyside

I know Gillmoss and Birkenhead are under Manchester did Chester also go?
It is true insofar as CNL now manages Preston and Chorley depots. Currently though the routes and buses are still operating under the Ribble operators licence because Stagecoach rushed through the management division change, and didn't think to make that change, happen on the same date that they register the services to change over.
 

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Is that why bustimes is still showing all depots under Merseyside

I know Gillmoss and Birkenhead are under Manchester did Chester also go?
Because Bustimes uses Bus Open Data which is linked to the license the service is registered on.
 

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Is that why bustimes is still showing all depots under Merseyside
The reason for this is that the data for Preston and Chorley is still under the Merseyside dataset, using the Merseyside operator code (SCMY). Why this is still the case, is unknown for certain, but given that Preston festive times are on the MCSL part of Stagecoach website, and given that the services still aren't yet registered on the CNL licence, it looks as if MCSL is just babysitting the services for now until all of the registrations get done and moved to CNL. Though someone is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.

The whole change is a disorganised mess with most internal systems still not sorted out to take account of the change. Even the employee app is not fully sorted to account for the changes. It was all very rushed, hopefully it settles down in the new year and things get sorted now that cumbria has added Preston to it's operators licence.


I know Gillmoss and Birkenhead are under Manchester did Chester also go?
Chester moved into the Manchester & Merseyside divisions yes.
 

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The reason for this is that the data for Preston and Chorley is still under the Merseyside dataset, using the Merseyside operator code (SCMY). Why this is still the case, is unknown for certain, but given that Preston festive times are on the MCSL part of Stagecoach website, and given that the services still aren't yet registered on the CNL licence, it looks as if MCSL is just babysitting the services for now until all of the registrations get done and moved to CNL. Though someone is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.

The whole change is a disorganised mess with most internal systems still not sorted out to take account of the change. Even the employee app is not fully sorted to account for the changes. It was all very rushed, hopefully it settles down in the new year and things get sorted now that cumbria has added Preston to it's operators licence.



Chester moved into the Manchester & Merseyside divisions yes.
Stagecoach MS&SL surly doesn't exist so can't babysit as such ?
 

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Stagecoach MS&SL surly doesn't exist so can't babysit as such ?
Internal Blink (kind of works social media) still shows MCSL and the website still shows MCSL. Preston updates are still being posted on the MCSL social media.

This is what I mean, it's a complete mess and I don't think anyone, including internally, actually knows what is going on and I know drivers aren't being given any concrete information on the changes. This should have all been done in one 'big bang' change. Registrations change, management change, social media changes, website, internal details etc all changed on one day.
 

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Internal Blink (kind of works social media) still shows MCSL and the website still shows MCSL. Preston updates are still being posted on the MCSL social media.

This is what I mean, it's a complete mess and I don't think anyone, including internally, actually knows what is going on and I know drivers aren't being given any concrete information on the changes. This should have all been done in one 'big bang' change. Registrations change, management change, social media changes, website, internal details etc all changed on one day.
But that would mean logic which talking from experience Stagecoach doesn't usually

Will Ribble licence just vanish or be retained by another opco? And is Glenvale still a active licence?
 

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Not much will happen initially as the Cumbria and North Lancs license will need (1) the vehicle authorisation increased and (2) the depots adding as operating bases.

Same will apply with the Manchester license.

It may take a while as there would need to be some hefty increases which may grab the attention of the Commissioner who may want to take a closer look to ensure everything is in order. This is quite routine.
 

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Not much will happen initially as the Cumbria and North Lancs license will need (1) the vehicle authorisation increased and (2) the depots adding as operating bases.
That bit is already done. Confirmed in last weeks notices & proceedings that Cumbria and North Lancs (officially Stagecoach North West) had been granted use of an additional operating centre and discs at Preston and Chorley depots. Next step is registering the routes to change. Which I thought would be done in early or late Januarys changes.

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Same will apply with the Manchester license.
This depends on if they are wanting to merge the operators licences. Preston is the only one which needs sorting short term. Especially with franchising coming up, you don't want to faff around deregistering routes on the Ribble licence, to then re-register them onto a larger operating licence for a year, then deregister them to franchising. Nothing stops Merseyside and Manchester division operating as 2 separate legal entities (same as West/Oxfordshire is 1 management division but legally trades separately).
 

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Stagecoach is making several changes to services in Cheshire from Sunday 29th March 2026.



Details by service are as follows:



1/X1 Chester - Liverpool
(Click here for timetable)

Monday to Saturday journeys will now operate up to every 20 minutes, with generally one bus per hour on service X1 and two buses per hour on service 1. Sunday and Bank Holiday journeys will remain every up to every 20 minutes with some minor timing changes to improve reliability.



14/14A/14B/14C Chester – Blacon (Click here for timetable)

There are changes to times in the peaks to improve punctuality.



15/15A Chester – Saughall (Click here for timetable)

There are changes to times in the peaks to improve punctuality.



16 – Chester – Saltney (Click here for timetable)

There are changes to times in the peaks to improve punctuality., with additional journeys added at peak times during Monday to Friday.



23/23A Ellesmere Port – Neston (Timetable to follow)

New and improved service operated under contract to Cheshire West & Chester Council, replacing the former service 23 operated by Aintree Coachline. Buses will now operate up to every hour between Neston and Ellesmere Port, with an improved local service to Regent Street in Ellesmere Port as well. Customers can make use of the full range of Stagecoach ‘Merseyside Plus’ zone network tickets throughout this route and others across the Stagecoach network by changing buses in Ellesmere Port.



26/26A/26B Ellesmere Port - Guilden Sutton (Click here for timetable)

Changes to times throughout to improve punctuality.



61/62 Chester – Higher Kinnerton
(Timetable to follow)

Changes to times throughout to improve punctuality.



84 Chester – Nantwich – Crewe (Click here for timetable)

Change to the timetable at peak times to improve punctuality.



204 Chester – Deeside industrial Park (Click here for timetable)

Changes to times throughout to improve punctuality.



Chester City Sightseeing Tour

We are pleased to announce that the Chester City Sightseeing Tour will be back from Saturday 2nd April 2026.

Please CLICK HERE for more details of the 2026 tour.
 

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Amazing to see the 23 coming back to a usable route, shame its not going to Cheshire oaks I feel that would be a massive boost for it
 

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Amazing to see the 23 coming back to a usable route,
I think the only reason that the 23 is being boosted is because of developer funds from the Hooton housing developments. Either that or it's conveniently to do with the fact the route goes through both the Leader of the Council and Deputy Leader of the councils wards. There is no good reason for the 23 to be made so frequent when the patronage isn't there.

Looks like the timetable is going to be poor too for Neston users, as there is now 10 minutes extra given from Willaston to Neston (you now get longer to go from Willaston to Neston than Neston to Willaston, despite the return trip plodding around Little Neston..... The mind boggles) so anyone travelling from Ellesmere Port/Hooton/Willaston to Little Neston will get the pleasure of sitting around in Neston Town Centre for at least 10 minutes waiting for the return trip to start.
The 23C route that is being brought in too is a waste of time, money and effort. I appreciate it's using up dead time, but the areas don't need that level of service and it will be just yet another example of Cheshire West Council refusing to apply logic to tenders. Resource would be far better used by making the route so it runs via Little Neston in both directions, and extending to Parkgate to massively improve access.

shame its not going to Cheshire oaks I feel that would be a massive boost for it
Extending to Cheshire Oaks probably wouldn't do anything given the operating hours and the demographic of the population along the route, and the areas where there would be demand to/from the Oaks, already have the 1/X1. The Oaks demand for public transport isn't what it was a few years ago. Their large increase in parking spaces (alongside the deterioration of the core bus services) has really helped to push people back into their cars. And that much was evident through Christmas when the 3 main car parks were full, the Coliseum was filling up, and there were 2 queues all the way back to the Kinsey Road, yet very few people were boarding/alighting buses.
 

M60lad

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Also if the timetable on BusTimes is correct 23 is still only going to be operating Mon-Fri with no service on Saturdays or Sundays
 

riral1970

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In the coming weeks should be finding out what Stagecoach plans for Sthelens routes and fleet here
 

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