Ashley Hill
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In the olden days BR would have withdrawn these as a small non-standard fleet. Will the existing locos ever be more than just demonstrators? It barely warrants giving them a classification.
12mph is probably ok for meandering around shunting yards, but I stand my point these are nothing more than demonstrators.I'm guessing that these are electronically limited to 12mph, realistically without that limitation, how fast do you think one could go?
I think the Class 15’s were not too bad (my username checks out!) and they suffered much less oil leakage problems than the 16’s, but the cab layout was awkward (20’s could be paired to avoid this, 15’s couldn’t) and they weren’t the most reliable.It feels like the range between the Class 14 and 19 is cursed, since none of them turned out to be successful. It's a pity; the Class 18s seem to be quite decent shunters, but that were bought for a market that doesn't really exist.
Class 14s lived in for some time post BR. But in general yes 14 - 19 were created to serve a market that was on the verge of dying.It feels like the range between the Class 14 and 19 is cursed, since none of them turned out to be successful. It's a pity; the Class 18s seem to be quite decent shunters, but that were bought for a market that doesn't really exist.
(There was never a class 19)It feels like the range between the Class 14 and1918 is cursed, since none of them turned out to be successful.
The Class 19 was real; it was a converted DVT that was self-propelled and seemingly existed for no real reason. Obviously it's not up the same alley as the other ones, but it does it to the range of coincidentally doomed classes.(There was never a class 19)
And of those, three (Classes 15, 17 and 18) were built by the same company.
It was never registered as a class 19 on the system though... so it doesn't really count.The Class 19 was real; it was a converted DVT that was self-propelled and seemingly existed for no real reason. Obviously it's not up the same alley as the other ones, but it does it to the range of coincidentally doomed classes.
That's sad to hearJust heard the manufacturer of the class 18s, Clayton Equipment, is going into administration.
It does symbolise the decline of UK railway design and manufacturing.That's sad to hear
Yes, Class 14 was built to replace GWR Pannier tanks - just as the work for Pannier tanks was disappearing. Just as Swindon continued building (or buying) Class 94xx Pannier tanks whilst diesels were taking over all shunting duties.......Class 14s lived in for some time post BR. But in general yes 14 - 19 were created to serve a market that was on the verge of dying.
Does this mean they are definitely closing down?
Unfortunately I’m not very business minded so can you explain what this means for the future of the company?The company is in administration, a banner with the following wording appears on the Clayton website:
'Clayton Equipment is in administration. Gareth Prince & Mark Malone from Begbies Tarynor (Central) LLP have been appointed as joint administrators.'
The appointed administrators will be still trying to save it, (or parts of it), I believe administration can hold off the creditors for a certain period - a few months maybe? It’s a bit of a last ditch procedure though. The next step would be compulsory winding up, ie insolvency.Unfortunately I’m not very business minded so can you explain what this means for the future of the company?
Yes, Class 14 was built to replace GWR Pannier tanks - just as the work for Pannier tanks was disappearing. Just as Swindon continued building (or buying) Class 94xx Pannier tanks whilst diesels were taking over all shunting duties.......
The usual thing with administrators is they try to maximise value for the shareholders. This could mean keep trading, or it could mean sell all the assets, or it could mean any number of other things as the administrators see fit. Is it known at this stage that they are trying to save the company? (genuine question; not getting at you!)The appointed administrators will be still trying to save it, (or parts of it), I believe administration can hold off the creditors for a certain period - a few months maybe? It’s a bit of a last ditch procedure though. The next step would be compulsory winding up, ie insolvency.
The role of the administrator is not to maximise value for the shareholder but to do one of the followingThe usual thing with administrators is they try to maximise value for the shareholders. This could mean keep trading, or it could mean sell all the assets, or it could mean any number of other things as the administrators see fit. Is it known at this stage that they are trying to save the company? (genuine question; not getting at you!)
The Clayton Company of Lincoln was a different company, not so sure how the Clayton Dewandre company comes into the picture but I know they made brake equipment as stated and there were lots of Clayton steam heat boilers fitted to BR diesel locos. I don't think any of these are directly connected to the present day Clayton company, but I recently read (can't recall where) that the present company had its roots in a company set up to supply Clayton spares after the original Clayton Company of Lincoln folded, but was not directly associatedIn the bus world of years ago there were 'Clayton Boxes' - destination gear, Clayton Heaters (the distinctive circular ones on the front bulkhead) and Clayton Dewandre air brakes. And I think that some of the LNERs steam railcars were built by 'Clayton' Was this the same Clayton? I had the impression that the bus organisation was based in Lincoln, though.
I can imagine that there will be a market for spares and maintenance for the existing Clayton equipment. So some parts of the company could be bought by another company already operating in the locomotive/parts supply field. That might not lead long term to anything surviving if, having bought the rights, the new owner moves spares-production/servicing into their own plant.The role of the administrator is not to maximise value for the shareholder but to do one of the following
The administrator could decide to:
- negotiate a Company Voluntary Arrangement so your company can keep trading
- sell your business as a ‘going concern’ to another company - meaning your business can carry on, for example by keeping its clients, workforce or orders
- sell your assets as part of a creditors’ voluntary liquidation, pay your creditors from any money raised and close your company
- close your company if there’s nothing to sell.
- If a company is in administration there is usually no money to pay the creditors in full, et alone pay the shareholders.
Therefore the 18s will be a bargain but will anyone want them ?.I'd be surprised if Clayton hadn't seen problems coming down the road, and had tried to get external investment, a merger or an outright sale within the trade. Unfortunately with this kind of distressed selling the buyer usually has the option to simply wait for the inevitable to happen and then pick up the pieces from the administrator at a bargain price. So there *might* still be the outside possibility of a sale. Having said that, from post #224 it looks like the majority of their business simply disappeared with the current political/military situation in Ukraine and beyond, so a sale as a going concern looks fairly unlikely. How this leaves the class 18's is anybody's guess, would anybody want to buy them now with the inevitable issues with warranty, support and so on ?
Clarke Chapman Acquires Clayton
08/01/2026
Clarke Chapman, the specialist materials handler, today announced that it has acquired the assets of locomotives builder Clayton Equipment Ltd.
Going forward, the company will be known as Clayton Locomotives Ltd and continue operations from the same premises in Burton-on-Trent from 8th January, 2026.
Stephen Plant, managing director of Clarke Chapman commented: “We are delighted to have completed the purchase of Clayton, the business compliments Clarke Chapman‘s rail activities perfectly. Both companies were for many years part of Rolls-Royce in the past and are now reunited under Langley ownership”.
Steve Gretton, managing director of Clayton Locomotives said “I would like to congratulate Langley Holdings on the successful acquisition of the assets of Clayton Equipment Limited. This marks an important milestone and presents a strong platform for future growth. We very much look forward to developing the Clayton business and to playing our part in the continued success of Clarke Chapman as part of the wider Langley group. This acquisition represents a positive step for the business; its customers, its suppliers and its people, and we are excited about the opportunities ahead.”
About Clarke Chapman
Clarke Chapman Ltd is a prominent British heavy engineering firm headquartered in Gateshead, in the north east of England, since 1864. The company specialises in bespoke materials handling and lifting solutions for mission-critical sectors such as nuclear , defence and rail. Formally a Rolls-Royce company, Clarke Chapman has been a subsidiary of Langley Holdings plc since 2000.
About Clayton Locomotives
Clayton has been building locomotives in Burton-on-Trent, England, since 1931. The company has supplied its iconic locomotive to over 60 countries. Formerly a subsidiary of Roll-Royce, its bespoke locomotives and haulage equipment are renowned for their innovative technology, durability and low-maintenance in demanding environments such as mining, sugar plantations, tunnelling, metro, and mainline railways.
About Langley Holdings
Langley Holdings plc is a privately owned, global engineering and industrial manufacturing group headquartered UK. The company was founded in 1975 by its current Chairman and CEO, Anthony Langley, and remains 100% family-owned. The group generates approximately €1.5 billion in annual revenue and employs over 5,000 people worldwide across more than 90 subsidiaries. It operates through three main divisions: Power Solutions, Print Technologies, and Other Industrials. www.langleyholdings.com
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This is good. It always makes me happy to see elements of Britain's manufacturing sector secured for at least the near future.