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@Clarence Yard Thank You for your post which was very interesting to me as I commuted between Twyford and Paddington through much of the 1980s and 90s. One very special vehicle for me was a Mk2a BSK, 35500, which had been one of the series of downgrade conversions from BFKs but I'm pretty sure it was the only one which had found its way into Thames services. It retained its former 3-a-side 1st class seats but without head cushions and the seat covering it had was the blue-check 2nd class style with larger squares (i.e. not the 'Bournemouth Blue' type). I always made a beeline for it when I saw it because of the extra comfort! The coach survives today on the Royal Deeside Railway and I hope one day I can go up there and have a 'reunion' with it. :)
 
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When I've seen this mentioned, I've wondered whether, apart from in publicity shots filmed in Marylebone goods yard, did this ever happen ?

Yes, although mostly before the improvement in the road network made ambulance transfers much easier. Almost as soon as the windows were introduced they were a problem due to rusting and the rubber surrounds absorbing water: they were supposed to be opened once a month to limit this.

There was a thread ‘Bodies on Trains ‘ which mentioned this a few years ago.
 

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When I arrived at OOC in 1987 the sets were mainly unrefurbished SK’s or MK 2 TSO’s. When both the Cobbler and Kings Lynn sets came to replace them, we were very surprised that Reggie Rail took a lot of them on - we thought they were due for scrap!

The Kings Lynn sets were put into traffic without any work needing to be done. Not so the Cobblers.
The Kings Lynn sets had a full refurbishment, with IC80 seats (as used in the APT) fitted to the Mark 2 TSOs and BSOs, new panelling and Eddie Pond murals on the bulkheads (as fitted to new EMU stock). So not surprised they didn't need any work. However, the murals would have been relevant to the West Anglia services - I wonder if anyone commuters ever noticed!

I wonder how much issues with the Cobbler sets were down to them being based at Euston Downside? They probably only got to the depot during the day and weekends in Winter (in summer they were often hired to InterCity for Holidaymaker services to the Cambrian Coast).

I recall one of your SK/FK/BFK sets would be used on a SO Paddington-Carlisle / SuO Carlisle-Paddington service - it always seemed to be the same set though!
 

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You need space to split a set right up to do a No 7, which OOC certainly had. Otherwise you tended to have to do each coach in turn. I suspect Euston Downside didn’t have enough space and they just let that job go.

The Kings Lynn sets were in very good condition below the solebar. That’s the kind of thing I was referring to. The IC80 seats went with them into preservation. IC woke up to their existence about 3 months after I flogged the last one, otherwise they would had all the seats removed for spares.

The Kings Lynn sets had Mk 1 RMB’s but we never were offered them - IC hoovered them up. Mind you, we had previously seen one, 1842 iirc, which CA sent us for a (poor) riding investigation and possible repair. It caused quite a stir.

I was walking through the doors of the OOC lift shop one day when I saw it right in front of me being put back down on its bogies and it then settled noticeably to the right hand side. I put both my arms up & shouted to the Supervisor, Martin Enright, “this coach is on the pxxs”. So he came to where I was standing and we did the lift again. He saw what I saw and I said, “what it is this?” He told me it was a buffet that Cambridge had sent us for rough riding. So we went down the “low” side to see if we could find anything.

I went down the side of the coach and called out all the equipment after I passed each one and then said, “M.A set” and walked on. I stopped and then, looking back in total disbelief, said, “Hang about, M.A. set - what the f is that thing doing here on a Mk1?!” He explained that it was now all electrical kit up there in the buffet. I told him that was the issue - the weight of the M.A.set (just about a ton) had unbalanced the loading. We then shimmed up the suspension on one side to try and throw the weight back - it was all a bit crude but the best we could think of in the circumstances.
 

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Always thought it odd they never fitted IC80 seats to the RMBs on the Kings Lynn sets given they did the Mark 2s, and as you mentioned uograded the facilities, hence the MA set (I know they fitted a microwave and payphone).
 

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Always thought it odd they never fitted IC80 seats to the RMBs on the Kings Lynn sets given they did the Mark 2s, and as you mentioned uograded the facilities, hence the MA set (I know they fitted a microwave and payphone).
Power was always a problem with modernising Mark 1 kitchens. Sadly microwaves don't like propane!
 

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I wonder how much issues with the Cobbler sets were down to them being based at Euston Downside? They probably only got to the depot during the day and weekends in Winter (in summer they were often hired to InterCity for Holidaymaker services to the Cambrian Coast).
As I've written before, at this time, mid-1980s, I used to take a Sunday evening Liverpool Lime Street to Euston service, which curiously was always formed of one of the Mk1 Cobbler sets, blue/grey but with NSE decals, and always in very good condition. Discussion among others was that the sets actually had Liverpool Edge Hill stickers on them, which had puzzled them at the time, but the workings someone else found seemed to show the sets in turn went to Liverpool for the weekend and maintenance. It had to go back ECS from Euston to Northampton for the Monday morning service.
 

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As I've written before, at this time, mid-1980s, I used to take a Sunday evening Liverpool Lime Street to Euston service, which curiously was always formed of one of the Mk1 Cobbler sets, blue/grey but with NSE decals, and always in very good condition. Discussion among others was that the sets actually had Liverpool Edge Hill stickers on them, which had puzzled them at the time, but the workings someone else found seemed to show the sets in turn went to Liverpool for the weekend and maintenance. It had to go back ECS from Euston to Northampton for the Monday morning service.
On 4/7/87 I travelled to Crewe for the Works Open Day from Watford Jct on a train formed of one of the Cobbler sets which surprised me but I remember that it was heading for Liverpool LS so it must have been going there for maintenance at Edge Hill (I had always assumed that it was a replacement for an unavailable Mk2/3 set).
 

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On 4/7/87 I travelled to Crewe for the Works Open Day from Watford Jct on a train formed of one of the Cobbler sets which surprised me but I remember that it was heading for Liverpool LS so it must have been going there for maintenance at Edge Hill (I had always assumed that it was a replacement for an unavailable Mk2/3 set).
For a Mk1 set at that late date it was always notably well presented, almost polished, perfectly clean windows, which surprised me then, but I now presume it had gone for its turn with a proper periodic heavy internal and external hand clean. Even the vehicle ends were quite free of dirt, unlike the Mk3 sets around them which had just been whizzed through the carriage wash.

It was the time of "Bargain First" at weekends then, paying a £2 supplement to the conductor guard, and I used to ride in the FK which many by then found strange accommodation, so I was generally in a compartment on my own. They were late build Mk1, with the compartment/corridor partitions formed of more glass than previously.
 

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Good question! I do recall travelling in one of these compartments once and finding the window catches were all unlocked! Pre H&S I guess. Did these CKs carry a stretcher in case of need I wonder, or was the patient expected to provide their own?
The latter. I think it was more for a patient being transported over a long distance.
 

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The latter. I think it was more for a patient being transported over a long distance.
and almost by definition, if they needed a stretcher they almost certainly weren't in any condition to arrange it for themself!
Thanks for this, both. Despite my flippant suggestion, what you say suggests that the idea was to use the CK on a more pre-arranged basis, rather than to offer immediate emergency provision.
 

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Thanks for this, both. Despite my flippant suggestion, what you say suggests that the idea was to use the CK on a more pre-arranged basis, rather than to offer immediate emergency provision.
That is absolutely correct.
 

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Thanks for this, both. Despite my flippant suggestion, what you say suggests that the idea was to use the CK on a more pre-arranged basis, rather than to offer immediate emergency provision.
You've got an example of it being used in Terminus.
 

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Yes, although mostly before the improvement in the road network made ambulance transfers much easier. Almost as soon as the windows were introduced they were a problem due to rusting and the rubber surrounds absorbing water: they were supposed to be opened once a month to limit this.

There was a thread ‘Bodies on Trains ‘ which mentioned this a few years ago.
Also worth bearing in mind that at the time these were being ordered memories of the Dunkirk evacuation (and the associated trains from the Channel ports) would have been pretty fresh. No one was to know that there wouldn’t be a repetition in the next 70 (and hopefully a lot more) years.
 

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Also worth bearing in mind that at the time these were being ordered memories of the Dunkirk evacuation (and the associated trains from the Channel ports) would have been pretty fresh. No one was to know that there wouldn’t be a repetition in the next 70 (and hopefully a lot more) years.

I have read somewhere that evacuation of casualties from areas, or at least the outskirts of areas, that suffered either nuclear or germ warfare attacks. At the time the windows were introduced this was very much a fear in civil defence planning. Whether one compartment capable of taking two stretchers in a coach with seven compartments is a realistic ratio is another matter.
 

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It could be argued that the 8 first class coaches at each end of a class 450 represents a compartment, not in the traditional sense with a side corridor, but still nowhere to go to escape the other passengers.
Seats... Same applies to 377/4s with their ten.
 
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