Mattplans
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It doesn't shock me whatsoever that the dlr's rudimentary displays are unable to handle NIS trains and are instead describing trains being tested as in passenger service
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boiledbeans2
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Indeed internally, the target is 30 Sep. 201, 203, 209 are out on test so far.
Haven't we had nearly 3 years since first delivery, and countless weekends of disruption, to do "testing on other routes"?
What I meant was testing with other traffic, like what is being done now.
Odd that they want to launch it on a Tuesday, why not a Monday?
The only route for now I think. I do wonder whether given current schedules, the occupancy rates of terminal platforms at Lewisham, Tower Gateway and Woolwich (it seems that as soon as an in-service train leaves a platform, another one is ready to take it's place) and capacity constraints on the Bank tunnels, how difficult it may be to test on other routes whilst at the same time as running a full service.
Looks like they just selected the last day of September.
Trains out testing will probably be de-wrapped, seat/pole/floor covers removed, deep cleaned etc between the end of testing and entry in to service
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Trains out testing will probably be de-wrapped, seat/pole/floor covers removed, deep cleaned etc between the end of testing and entry in to service
Peter Mugridge
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I've seen a photo on Twitter of 211 running today, so that's at least four of them now.
Brooke
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DLR had severe delays due to a ‘faulty train’ at Royal Albert early this morning. Perhaps related to the testing?
norbitonflyer
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Not unusual. The first 701 was a Tuesday. Quieter than Monday, and also gives a whole day to prep the unit before entering service.
RacsoMoquette
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Once the existing DLR Bombadier B07 Stock runs alongside the new CAF B23 stock, will the latter receive the new aqua and white livery? Will they retain their existing interiors or be modified with an internal layout more akin to the B23s?
torontoaddick
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Although on DLR Mondays are much quieter than Tuesdays because of many more people working from home on Mondays.
It's possible that the livery is under a rustproofing guarantee, and won't change unless and until that guarantee expires. I can't imagine any internal refit would be on the cards, it seems like an unnecessary expense.
I did notice on a trip to Custom House for work this week that they perhaps appeared to be taking advantage of the situation with a number of units out on test. At one point on the Beckton branch, the new units were almost more regular than the B92s.
(A few images of the new DLR stock out on test)
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318266
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...more 2010s train design trend after its aged 10 years and been cut back to suit! Still remember all the nonsense about the New Tube for London I think about a decade ago...
RacsoMoquette
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I personally still think that the B07s look much more futuristic and more of a 2020s design. The aesthetic styling of the full width door windows and the curved front was a design never seen before on TFL. I am surprised CAF didn’t build the B23s with B07 style door windows.
More than a little dissatisfaction and incomprehension on station platforms with the train describers showing the test trains with normal destinations, especially as they stop at all stations, and a few waiting passengers go up to it and stab at the unyielding door buttons. Then it just sets off.
How on earth this passed any Health & safety review is not quite clear. Nor why the "Not in Service" indication otherwise used cannot be shown.
How on earth this passed any Health & safety review is not quite clear. Nor why the "Not in Service" indication otherwise used cannot be shown.
I want to assume (not sure for definite) that they wanted to mimic how it would be like in live service before it's official debut. Perhaps the not in service sign could have been displayed to ensure passengers don't try and open the doors
The information on the Information Displays is fed from the Train Ident on the signalling system. As far as the system is concerned the train is going to Beckton.
It's not much of a Health and Safety risk, there should be announcements at each station along with big stickers the doors saying it's a Test Train. There's also Vehicle Operators on the train to ensure a safe departure
But there are no announcements. And every empty train on the system has previously been quite able to have displayed Not In Service.
If they really want to mimic live service the train operator would be down the train, checking clear and opening doors from there. I wonder how they are mimicing departure from Bank, where departure from the front control position was banned after a silly trap & drag incident.
If they really want to mimic live service the train operator would be down the train, checking clear and opening doors from there. I wonder how they are mimicing departure from Bank, where departure from the front control position was banned after a silly trap & drag incident.
torontoaddick
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The B23 Vehicle Operators are dispatching the reliability proving trains from an open passenger door at every platform they stop at. They are not using the front control position.
simple simon
Member
At Stratford I've seen scrolling messages pointing out that trains shown as going to Beckton are not in service / are test trains.
I have this on video and hope to make it visible for everyone later this coming week.
Empty trains may display "Await Announcements" on the Platform Displays, but they will change if a destination for the train has been assigned. Trains that run non-stop, from a terminal for example, are not assigned a destination. The Destination Displays on the B23 are set to "Not in Service" before leaving the depot.
The trains are running a schedule between Stratford International and Beckton and are being dispatched by the Vehicle Operator on board from the Doors. All the doors along the side of the train are locked out of use apart from one on either side of the train to prevent passengers from boarding.
With regards to Bank or any platform on the network where a platform mirror or monitor does not give an acceptable view of the platform, the train will be dispatched from the Doors.
I think the simple answer to that is there are no B23 "ghost" services into and out of Bank. I've said before that I think there's too much chance of disruption to real services if they did. It appears that the B23 stock are just taking the paths of the currently cancelled Beckton to Stratford International services, the purpose being just to confirm that the B23 and earlier stock can run somewhere on the system simultaneously and therefore should be able to operate anywhere on the system simultaneously. Well, that's my theory anyway!