Lydney, England (Transport for Wales Station)

[J663738]

Dies anyone know why Lydney in Gloucestershire is a TfW run station?
It amused me, while passing through it, that behind the station sign with the TfW logo was a St George's cross flag.
Can you imagine the uproar if a rail station in Wales or Scotland had sign saying English Transport Railways!

 

[Lewisham2221]

Dies anyone know why Lydney in Gloucestershire is a TfW run station?
It amused me, while passing through it, that behind the station sign with the TfW logo was a St George's cross flag.
Can you imagine the uproar if a rail station in Wales or Scotland had sign saying English Transport Railways!

Because the CrossCountry franchise does not operate any stations, so TfW (Wales and Borders) is the logical choice, being the other TOC which serves the station.

 

[ExpressTrain]

Because Transport for Wales is the main train operator serving the station. CrossCountry, the only other operator stopping at Lydney does not manage any stations because of its large network.

Transport for Wales manage many other English stations where they are the only or main operator. All stations between Hereford and Nantwich on the marches route for example.

 

[D6130]

Because Transport for Wales is the main train operator serving the station. CrossCountry, the only other operator stopping at Lydney does not manage any stations because of its large network.

Transport for Wales manage many other English stations where they are the only or main operator. All stations between Hereford and Nantwich on the marches route for example.

....plus Gobowen, Hopton Heath and Broome.

 

[J663738]

Ok thanks. I suppose when it was Ariva it wasn't that noticeable.

 

[WirralLine]

....plus Gobowen, Hopton Heath and Broome.

Upton, Heswall, Neston on the Borderlands Line too

 

[Watershed]

Upton, Heswall, Neston on the Borderlands Line too

Plus Helsby, Frodsham, Runcorn East and the intermediate stations between Shrewsbury and Crewe.

 

[Djgr]

Dies anyone know why Lydney in Gloucestershire is a TfW run station?
It amused me, while passing through it, that behind the station sign with the TfW logo was a St George's cross flag.
Can you imagine the uproar if a rail station in Wales or Scotland had sign saying English Transport Railways!

I think over the years Wales has had to deal with quite a lot of English imperialism so this is a trivial amount in the other direction.

 

[plugwash]

AIUI when the UK rail nework was split up for privitisation, stations were assigned based on which operator (other than crosscountry) ran the most total coaches to those stations. So generally stations with significant intercity service ended up with the relavent intercity operator, while stations with only local/regional services ended up with the local/regional operator.

Wales, unlike Scotland doesn't have a contiguous internal rail network. . So seperating "wales" from "borders" would make things very difficult operationally. I would assume this is why the UK government decided to just hand the whole "wales and borders" franchise over to the welsh government and hence why we have a substatial number of "transport for wales" operated stations in England.

 

[Travelmonkey]

Same reason Burton on Trent is ran by East Midlands Railway, or Wilnecote by West Midlands Railway despite no calls from either, XC run Trains but don't have any station running responsibility. Although they do have funds they give to community rail partnerships.

As for Lydney TFW is the other principal operator so they have the management responsibility.

 

[berneyarms]

Kinda surprised that no one has mentioned either Shrewsbury or Chester, which are the two largest stations that are located in England and managed by TfW.

The franchise is “Wales & Borders” after all.

 

[swt_passenger]

Shrewsbury and Chester are the two largest stations managed by TfW but located in England.

The franchise is “Wales & Borders” after all.

They could always use TfW&B as a shorthand…

 

[Djgr]

Kinda surprised that no one has mentioned either Shrewsbury or Chester, which are the two largest stations that are located in England and managed by TfW.

The franchise is “Wales & Borders” after all.

Although in Chester's case less than three miles from the border, with its football club famously straddling England/Wales.

 

[Lewisham2221]

Although in Chester's case less than three miles from the border, with its football club famously straddling England/Wales.

And Shrewsbury is only 9 miles from the border. The "least Welsh" station is, I think, Runcorn East - a whopping 18 miles from the border

 

[Djgr]

And Shrewsbury is only 9 miles from the border. The "least Welsh" station is, I think, Runcorn East - a whopping 18 miles from the border

TfW translate East Didsbury but not Runcorn East!

Interesting that Liverpool South Parkway is translated as Parcffordd De Lerpwl

 

[WelshBluebird]

Ok thanks. I suppose when it was Ariva it wasn't that noticeable.

Transport for Wales.
Arriva Trains Wales.
Not sure either has it more or less noticeable.

 

[craigybagel]

All stations between Hereford and Nantwich on the marches route for example.

Plus Helsby, Frodsham, Runcorn East and the intermediate stations between Shrewsbury and Crewe.

Even the signalling between Shrewsbury and Nantwich is controlled from Cardiff!

I'm sure someone will be along soon enough to say that it would make much more sense for Crewe - Shrewsbury and Crewe - Chester services to be run by an English based TOC, without any consideration of the logistical nightmare that would entail, with no obvious benefit. It happens most times this subject comes up.

Kinda surprised that no one has mentioned either Shrewsbury or Chester, which are the two largest stations that are located in England and managed by TfW.

The franchise is “Wales & Borders” after all.

And TfW have quite a large management and training set up at these locations too, especially Chester. It's arguably the most important hub for the entire company outside of Cardiff and it's suburbs.

 

[Falcon1200]

Perhaps Transport for Wales needs renaming as Transport for Wales and Some Bits of England (TfWaSBoE)!

 

[gazthomas]

Just align the Welsh border with the franchise. That will fix it

 

[tfw756rider]

Of the 248 railway stations that Transport for Wales manage in Britain, 223 are in Wales and 25 are in England.

The 25 in England are:

1. Shrewsbury
2. Chester
3. Hereford
4. Ludlow
5. Broome
6. Bucknell
7. Church Stretton
8. Craven Arms
9. Frodsham
10. Gobowen
11. Helsby
12. Heswall
13. Hopton Heath
14. Knighton (station in England, but town in Wales)
15. Leominster
16. Lydney
17. Nantwich
18. Neston
19. Prees
20. Runcorn East
21. Upton
22. Wem
23. Whitchurch (Shropshire)
24. Wrenbury
25. Yorton

 

[J663738]

Of the 248 railway stations that Transport for Wales manage in Britain, 223 are in Wales and 25 are in England.

The 25 in England are:

1. Shrewsbury
2. Hereford
3. Ludlow
4. Church Stretton
5. Craven Arms
6. Leominster

Sometimes I wish The Welsh Government would take over the running of the A49 as its the only decent route from South Wales to North Wales and its now a pain with retail park after retail park!

 

[Djgr]

Sometimes I wish The Welsh Government would take over the running of the A49 as its the only decent route from South Wales to North Wales and its now a pain with retail park after retail park!

I think Hereford is the main culprit, which is, I believe, the largest town/city? without a bypass.

 

[Tomos y Tanc]

Sometimes I wish The Welsh Government would take over the running of the A49 as its the only decent route from South Wales to North Wales and its now a pain with retail park after retail park!

Are you not familiar with the joys of the A470? Truly the UK's answer to Route 66!

 

[nwales58]

Back on the original:

Can you imagine the uproar if a rail station in Wales or Scotland had sign saying English Transport Railways!

I imagine little uproar if Transport for West Midlands / North West England / Greater Yorkshire and so on were responsible for stations across the whole country, you used to have the PTEs after all and new regions for transport are emerging from the chaos. 9 or so regions of England are very broadly similar to Wales, Scotland (NI is different) in terms of population.

TfW running outside Wales could be solved by Crosscountry taking over the Cheltenham services (therefore hand the stations to GWR?) and everyone would be delighted by Northern, a nationalised operator after all, taking over Shrewsbury-Crewe stoppers, Crewe-Chester shuttles and Chester-Lime Street. We'd then have enough 197s to overcome the worse-than-planned availability. We'd all love to have to change at Shrewsbury to get to Birmingham and Chester to get to Manchester too.

 

[Travelmonkey]

It is interesting that TFW tendrils so far into England whereas Scotrail hard stop at Carlisle. Is there any other Scotrail routes into England? There could also be the argument they manage the ECML station Reston despite not serving them, should be TPE or LNER,

 

[DelW]

It is interesting that TFW tendrils so far into England whereas Scotrail hard stop at Carlisle. Is there any other Scotrail routes into England? There could also be the argument they manage the ECML station Reston despite not serving them, should be TPE or LNER,

The Scotland - England border is not only shorter but a lot emptier (of people) than the Wales - England border. If the Scottish border had stayed on Hadrian's alignment they'd have been more comparable and Scotrail might have been operating between Carlisle and Newcastle.

IIRC at one time Scotrail (or at least its trains) did operate some services on that route, but RTT doesn't currently show them having any services at either Newcastle or Berwick, so it seems Carlisle is their only stop in England.

 

[Yorkshire09876]

The Scotland - England border is not only shorter but a lot emptier (of people) than the Wales - England border. If the Scottish border had stayed on Hadrian's alignment they'd have been more comparable and Scotrail might have been operating between Carlisle and Newcastle.

IIRC at one time Scotrail (or at least its trains) did operate some services on that route, but RTT doesn't currently show them having any services at either Newcastle or Berwick, so it seems Carlisle is their only stop in England.

At one time some of the services on the Tyne valley line were Scotail 156s - as I recall they worked from Carlisle with Scotrail staff then across to Newcastle with Northern staff. This would have been 15 years ago at least. Not sure when they stopped.

 

[Falcon1200]

Tyne valley line were Scotail 156s - as I recall they worked from Carlisle with Scotrail staff then across to Newcastle with Northern staff. This would have been 15 years ago at least. Not sure when they stopped.

They stopped 3 or 4 years ago, IIRC. The through trains were Scotrail services north of Carlisle and Northern services eastwards, although as Trust cannot show two Operator Codes for one train they were classed as the originating Operator's train throughout.

 

[D6130]

The Scotland - England border is not only shorter but a lot emptier (of people) than the Wales - England border. If the Scottish border had stayed on Hadrian's alignment they'd have been more comparable and Scotrail might have been operating between Carlisle and Newcastle.

Probably not. Although in those circumstances Carlisle and Newcastle would have been the logical places for ScotRail services to terminate, even though they're South of the wall. However the Newcastle-Carlisle line lies entirely to the South of the wall, except for a short section between Greenhead and Gilsland, where the wall is visible from the train passing under the line. All historical speculation of course, but interesting nonetheless.

 

[swt_passenger]

If trying to draw rail maps based on historical ‘nations’ why not try fitting it into the period when Northumbria included Edinburgh? It’s a good seven hundred years closer in time than when the Roman Wall formed a border…

But even then, Scotland and England as we know them did not exist at the time of the Roman Wall, it has never represented the border between the two countries. I’m sure everyone realises that (if being serious)…