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Strange prosecution reason on Thameslink, need advice

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altair266

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Hi,

A few weeks ago my partner was stopped my Thameslink officers on his daily commute from elephant and castle to farringdon. He usually buys his ticket on the train because it saves him time instead of in the house before he leaves, and he doesn’t tap in because he uses a railcard. Because it’s a short journey, he purchased the ticket on trainline roughly 5 mins before the train arrived.

They decided to stop him because according to them ‘the ticket had to be valid for 10 minutes before being activated’, despite us subsequently finding no evidence to back this claim up online. They gave him a witness statement (attached) and really went to town on him. For the record, his railcard was valid, but they didn’t ask to see this.

He is incredibly stressed because after he gave this details they got part of his address wrong, e.g., it was spelt ‘green laine’ instead of ‘greens lane’ (fake address). He thinks that because they got this wrong he won’t receive the letter detailing whether or not he gets a fine, and if he doesn’t respond to it they’ll take him to court, even though it was them who got the address wrong. The rest of the address was correct (postcode, flat number, city) and I have assured him that these details alone would be sufficient to deliver the letter.

He emailed them to clarify about the address, stating the case number and relevant details. They emailed a few days later to say they had trouble locating the case and to give them more details. He also tried to find his notice on the system but the reference they gave him said ‘could not be found’. We thought this was odd. He has not yet replied to the email as I told him to hold back until we get the opinion of people on here.

I guess our questions are 1) Do you think this case is defunct? Do they have no grounds to find him? The 10 minute expiry reason is so bizarre… I know you technically need to have a ticket before you travel but still. and 2) does he reply to them with more details? What if they can’t find the case? Does it mean it’s been dropped.

Any advice to reduce his anxiety would be greatly appreciated, thank you in advance!

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Should clarify * before the train arrive into Farringdon. He was on the train when he purchased his ticket.
 

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First things first, it is an offence to board a train without a valid ticket, so if the train had left Elephant & Castle before he purchased the ticket then he has committed that offence. The journey time from Elephant & Castle to Farringdon is about 10 minutes, so that is possibly why they said it hadn't been bought in time.

Which railcard does he have?

Assuming that it is one that can be added to an Oyster card, your friend may well be better off getting one and using that. The adult single fare for a ticket from Elephant & Castle to Farringdon is £4.10, or £7.50 return. With a railcard these come down to £2.70 and £4.95, but there are restrictions depending on the railcard.

Using adult PAYG it is £2.90 peak single, £2.80 off-peak single so a return is between £5.60 and £5.80. A normal railcard will reduce the off-peak single to £1.85 and a disabled railcard will reduce the peak single to £1.90.

I agree that house number and postcode will be enough to deliver the letter, and given those the postman won't even notice the difference between green laine and green lanes. Our usual advice is to wait until he receives a letter because until then it is not certain that details will be on the system.
 

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They probably suspected your partner of short-faring, as it's thought unusual for passengers to buy etickets for such a short journey in London. That's why they took the witness statement route.

However, he should be able, by cooperating, to get a satisfactory, if quite expensive, outcome.

There's not a lot he can do but wait for a letter. It's a bit odd that they couldn't find the case in their system, but most railway fraud offices are snowed under at present due to some recent national level decisions.
 

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Is Elephant and Castle to Farringdon the full journey made by rail or does your partner then go on elsewhere - or start from further away? Farringdon is a known short faring hotspot because people like to arrive ticketless, then use their contactless card or Oyster to travel on the TfL network from there.

The investigation the company will conduct will ascertain whether this is what has been happening.
 

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Is Elephant and Castle to Farringdon the full journey made by rail or does your partner then go on elsewhere - or start from further away? Farringdon is a known short faring hotspot because people like to arrive ticketless, then use their contactless card or Oyster to travel on the TfL network from there.

The investigation the company will conduct will ascertain whether this is what has been happening.
Added to which the address your partner has given will also be insightful as to their likely travel pattern.
 
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