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Penzance to Wick in a calendar day soon possible?

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I know that there have been many threads like this in the past, and I know that up to now good/daring runners were able to make it in a calendar day with a dash through Glasgow, but from the 15th of December it seems it should be slightly easier:

05:03 PNZ-PAD 09:54
09:54 PAD-KGX 10:30
10:30 KGX-EDI 14:36
14:41 EDI-PTH 16:13
16:19 PTH-INV 18:26
18:31 INV-WCK 22:53


A few tight connections that don't meet minimums, and not going to show up on journey planners, but definitely looks do-able - London transfer is easy with variety of routes.

As long as trains run to time then it should all be fine - although if I attempt it then I will be booking a hotel in Tain as well as Wick for that night just incase!

It seems that this maybe all made possible by LNER's new 3 stopper from KGX to EDI - presumable trying to compete with Lumo's speed?

Thoughts?
 
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The only 0 minute connections there are from train to tube and back again, and that's not really connection times...
 
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The only 0 minute connections there are from train to tube and back again, and that's not really connection times...
OK fair enough, though I remember thinking once with a tube connection had plenty of time... Took about 10 minutes just to get to from the entrance to the platform!
 

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I wouldnt risk those connection times.

Edinburgh isnt so bad, since I would imagine the Kings Cross to Edinburgh has a few minutes recovery time, so if its on time, no problem.

Inverness might actually be the toughest connection, since congestion at the ticket gates at Inverness is very common. It wont be a long way to get from one train to the next, but you could easily find yourself stuck behind a queue at the gate getting out, and getting back in again, unless youre lucky enough to be on adjacent platforms.
Although I suppose the Wick service might be likely to be held if there are minor delays.
 

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OK fair enough, though I remember thinking once with a tube connection had plenty of time... Took about 10 minutes just to get to from the entrance to the platform!

Well, yes, it helps to know where you are going and being in the correct place in the train for a rapid transfer.

In Paddington you would preferably be in the vestibule between the 4th and 5th coach or 5th and 6th on class 800s. Up stairs and along to the H+C platforms and be at the front of the train for a quick exit at Kings X .
 

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I wouldnt risk those connection times.

Edinburgh isnt so bad, since I would imagine the Kings Cross to Edinburgh has a few minutes recovery time, so if its on time, no problem.

Inverness might actually be the toughest connection, since congestion at the ticket gates at Inverness is very common. It wont be a long way to get from one train to the next, but you could easily find yourself stuck behind a queue at the gate getting out, and getting back in again, unless youre lucky enough to be on adjacent platforms.
Although I suppose the Wick service might be likely to be held if there are minor delays.
I am sure the Wick service would be held as they are both Scotrail where as the Scotrail service at Edinburgh would not be held for the LNER service.
 

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Interested in how anyone attempting this would do it ticket wise, advance purchases or splits because the alternative would be one heck of an expensive journey but probably worth it i should add for the sheer hell of doing such a trip.
 

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I wouldnt risk those connection times.

Edinburgh isnt so bad, since I would imagine the Kings Cross to Edinburgh has a few minutes recovery time, so if its on time, no problem.

Inverness might actually be the toughest connection, since congestion at the ticket gates at Inverness is very common. It wont be a long way to get from one train to the next, but you could easily find yourself stuck behind a queue at the gate getting out, and getting back in again, unless youre lucky enough to be on adjacent platforms.
Although I suppose the Wick service might be likely to be held if there are minor delays.
Which groups of platforms share barriers at Inverness?
 

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Well, yes, it helps to know where you are going and being in the correct place in the train for a rapid transfer.

In Paddington you would preferably be in the vestibule between the 4th and 5th coach or 5th and 6th on class 800s. Up stairs and along to the H+C platforms and be at the front of the train for a quick exit at Kings X .
Yup, even though I've only just found out about this route, I'm already looking for the perfect carriage/door/seat combos!

1 and 2
3, 4, 5 and 6
7 is ungated
RTT says 3 is the train from Perth and 5 is the train to Wick, so fingers cross all ok!

Interested in how anyone attempting this would do it ticket wise, advance purchases or splits because the alternative would be one heck of an expensive journey but probably worth it i should add for the sheer hell of doing such a trip.
I would do it with an anytime ticket to Tain, and then from Tain to Wick. That way delay repay if I don't make it to Tain as it's a mapped journey, and I can take any train I like.

Advances and Split's them I'm probably stuck wherever the first cancelled or missed train happens!
 

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Yup, even though I've only just found out about this route, I'm already looking for the perfect carriage/door/seat combos!


RTT says 3 is the train from Perth and 5 is the train to Wick, so fingers cross all ok!


I would do it with an anytime ticket to Tain, and then from Tain to Wick. That way delay repay if I don't make it to Tain as it's a mapped journey, and I can take any train I like.

Advances and Split's them I'm probably stuck wherever the first cancelled or missed train happens!

Paddington - Kings Cross minimum connection time is 45mns so you wouldn't be entitled to any repay across this.
 

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Paddington - Kings Cross minimum connection time is 45mns so you wouldn't be entitled to any repay across this.
Agreed, but if any delay prevents me from reaching Tain then me getting to Kings Cross in time for an earlier train won't invalidate this!
 

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I know that there have been many threads like this in the past, and I know that up to now good/daring runners were able to make it in a calendar day with a dash through Glasgow, but from the 15th of December it seems it should be slightly easier:

05:03 PNZ-PAD 09:54
09:54 PAD-KGX 10:30
10:30 KGX-EDI 14:36
14:41 EDI-PTH 16:13
16:19 PTH-INV 18:26
18:31 INV-WCK 22:53


A few tight connections that don't meet minimums, and not going to show up on journey planners, but definitely looks do-able - London transfer is easy with variety of routes.

As long as trains run to time then it should all be fine - although if I attempt it then I will be booking a hotel in Tain as well as Wick for that night just incase!

It seems that this maybe all made possible by LNER's new 3 stopper from KGX to EDI - presumable trying to compete with Lumo's speed?

Thoughts?
I’d be interested to see how many attempts it took someone to complete that itinerary successfully!
 

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I’d be interested to see how many attempts it took someone to complete that itinerary successfully!
Aye, I think it would be a good idea to watch the itinerary daily for a few weeks to get an idea of the likelihood of completion and the best days to try it.
 

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That lacks the drama of doing it for real though
Absolutely, but it would answer your question!

OT, but in May I did Dumfries to Lausanne via Strasbourg in a day, with three sub-10 minute connections. On a sample of one, it worked fine!
 

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6 mins between trains at Perth is well risky. Perth is a huge sprawling station
Not too worried about that one as it's a valid connection and the planned platforms are close to each other. RTT even shows they held the Inverness train for 10 minutes today because the one from Glasgow was also held up by 10. And with that delayed by 20, the Wick was held up as well - so the Scottish legs are looking good!
 
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6 mins between trains at Perth is well risky. Perth is a huge sprawling station
The worse case is Platform 3 to Platform 7, but that's easily done in less than 5 minutes if you don't have mobility issues, or carrying a grand piano size luggage.
As it's usually platform 5 or 6 for the Edinburgh train, you'll make it in a minute.

Edinburgh? just make sure that you're in the leading coach, and have your ticket for the barrier handy. Tight but do-able, and I've done a similar close connection before.
 

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6 mins between trains at Perth is well risky. Perth is a huge sprawling station
The worse case is Platform 3 to Platform 7, but that's easily done in less than 5 minutes if you don't have mobility issues, or carrying a grand piano size luggage.
As it's usually platform 5 or 6 for the Edinburgh train, you'll make it in a minute.
Terminating trains from Edinburgh tend to use the bay platforms (5&6 as noted above) at Perth so just a short walk to platform 7, and as noted, it is an advertised connection.
 

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36 mins for Paddington to KX is fine if not comfortable.

4 mins - up the stairs and across the footbridge to the H&C
5 mins - wait for train
13 mins - train journey
4 mins - out of the front car, up the stairs and then up again onto the KX forecourt

8 mins of contingency before the stupid 2 minute closure of barriers.

Edinburgh seems the risky one and my experience of LNER is once they pick up a delay, it rarely gets better.
 

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From looking at RTT today it seems 50/50 as to which way round the train runs, so I may have to be content with getting somewhere near the middle and legging it first one off!
 

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Thread unlocked to enable @reduke to provide an update.
Thanks for the unlock.

I’d be interested to see how many attempts it took someone to complete that itinerary successfully!
Short answer: 1
Short-ish answer: about 40% of RTT/OTT runs were successful before this one...

6 mins between trains at Perth is well risky. Perth is a huge sprawling station
Perth was definitely the easiest connection!



So after alarms at 4am and thereafter every 15 minutes on a phone I couldn't reach from my bed I made the 05.03 with 5 minutes to spare.

The night before I watched the sleeper pull in from the sidings and definitely had a twinge of envy towards those about to board.

Sunrise came with breakfast on the way to Plymouth, followed a long (but in hindsight also very short) time later by almost on-time arrival at Paddington.

Cross London was neither leisurely nor frantic, and boarded with 10 minutes to spare onto a very packed train. Thankfully the passenger in the wrong end of the train didn't cause enough of a fuss to cause a deboarding...

Lunch was a Croque Monsieur and my second energy drink of the day to make sure I was still awake at Edinburgh. All the while spent scrolling OTT watching the 3 trains in front.

Thankfully the Leeds was the only one picking up any delays and it turned off just in time to not cause an issue. For once the Lumo didn't hold us up at all - in fact we had longer dwell at both stops due to early arrivals :)

Found my way into the wrong end (south end of the 5th coach from the front on a 9 car arriving into platform 9 is the option of choice for anyone still wanting to try this...) of coach H for a 1 minute early arrival at Edinburgh. I can't say exactly how long it was from RTT arrival to doors open, but it felt about two minutes.
Quick jog to be up on the footbridge before the crowd and from there it was leisurely-ish.
Most of the distance done, and only half of the time gone...

We picked up some delays on the way to Perth but the guard phoned ahead to make sure the HST would wait for us - not needed on the end.

Perth to Inverness was the best part of the trip. Comfortable seats in a proper train with a beer and a caramel wafer watching the scenery go by :)

Inverness to Wick for the final stretch with eyelids heavy. Tucked into "dinner" and hoped the enjoyable clickety-clack wouldn't rock me to sleep. Courtesy calls made to my emergency hotel in Tain to let them know I wouldn't be making my reservation and to let my Wick hotel know my scheduled time of arrival and I settled in for the long haul. Thankfully laptop juice lasted from when the sun went down to nearly my arrival at Wick.


So ...

Doable? Yes

Advisable? Not unless you Want to tick it off some strange list...

Likelihood of completion? 40%-ish without further timetable improvements. Without a few minutes of GWR delays and a better tube connection the 10:15 Lumo departure may have been possible in order to buy a few extra minutes of leeway at Edinburgh, but I've no idea what the loadings were like on that service - the LNER was 95% seats taken from what I saw.

Tickets were an advance from Penzance to Plymouth plus an anytime from Plymouth to Edinburgh - giving me lots of flexibility plus the greatest delay repay refund for if something went wrong. Cheap single split tickets north of Edinburgh finished it off.

Worst part? Refreshments or the lack thereof. I wish the train companies could put in some more effort here. No service north of Inverness meant I had to stock up on non-perishables the night before, and the other offerings were nothing to write home about...


Would I do it again? Ermmm... I'll let you figure that one out.
 

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In Paddington you would preferably be in the vestibule between the 4th and 5th coach or 5th and 6th on class 800s. Up stairs and along to the H+C platforms and be at the front of the train for a quick exit at Kings X .
Bakerloo to Oxford Circus for the Victoria. Faster, more frequent, way more reliable.
 

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Bakerloo to Oxford Circus for the Victoria. Faster, more frequent, way more reliable.
This is a journey I do frequently. I’d say H&C is fastest, especially if you’re in the optimum position for speedy exit.

The Victoria Line is fast and frequent but I find the Bakerloo slow and unreliable. Also, the interchange at Oxford Circus isn’t far but it’s not cross platform.
 
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