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RMT industrial action 5th - 12 September 2025

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There are a small number of Central line trains rumbling under my house at Mile End today. Are these positioning moves or something like that? I assume there are not a few unadvertised passenger services running?
Terminating at Stratford and I imagine driving empty to Liverpool st to reverse
Quite likely to be passenger services. If Train Ops turn up, LU will try and run a shuttle service - more for the PR I think than for any actual reason.

Central line east is a six-train shuttle Stratford-Hainault via Woodford, in service and advertised. Trains tip out Stratford west and are running empty to Bethnal Green and reversing via the mainline shunt, re-entering at Stratford. There is also a 5-train shuttle Epping-Leytonstone, generally reversing via the centre platform.

There's nothing running in service outside of the bounds of what's being advertised on all lines, although a handful of rusty rail moves are expected to run in conventionally signalled areas.
 
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Last I heard, none of the 4 unions have accepted the pay offer from LU, but only RMT have started strike action. (This was in response to members concerns regarding the very late payment of the pay increase from the April 2024 pay rise, which I received in March 2025!)
Correct, 2025 pay deal has not been accepted by any union yet.

The strike ballot was a culmination of multiple issues - the late pay awards are a bit of a chicken and egg situation at this stage - once one gets pushed back it follows that they all will, unless a multi-year deal is accepted. There's always been a lag between acceptance and implementation - the 2024 deal wasn't accepted until late in the year.
 

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Central line east is a six-train shuttle Stratford-Hainault via Woodford, in service and advertised. Trains tip out Stratford west and are running empty to Bethnal Green and reversing via the mainline shunt, re-entering at Stratford. There is also a 5-train shuttle Epping-Leytonstone, generally reversing via the centre platform.

There's nothing running in service outside of the bounds of what's being advertised on all lines, although a handful of rusty rail moves are expected to run in conventionally signalled areas.
Interesting, thanks.
 

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I'm puzzled as to why Network Rail/GWR have cancelled the West Ealing - Greenford trains this week whilst there is still a service on the Central Line between White City and West Ruislip with the stations open?
 

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Looks like they managed to gather up enough bodies to allow Elizabeth line services to call at Bond Street, TCR, Farringdon and Liv. St. in the end then.
 

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Both RMT and ASLEF wish that all post-1 April 1996 LU employees gain PRIV Authority as pre-1996 staff did.
Why now 29 years later ?
Yet part of the commitment of 'fit for the future' was that every station would be staffed from the start to the close of traffic. This is regularly ignored.
I think it was more of an aim, than guaranteed to happen
 

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I'm puzzled as to why Network Rail/GWR have cancelled the West Ealing - Greenford trains this week whilst there is still a service on the Central Line between White City and West Ruislip with the stations open?
From previous Network Rail / Toc strikes which were cancelled at last minute but where reduced timetables have operated, it is my understanding that National Rail systems are quite inflexible and it is very difficult to reinstate trains that have been withdrawn from the timetable. Maybe someone from one of the Tocs or Network Rail can explain better.
 

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Staffing every station first to last pre-dates FFtF(S), and was standard practice on LT. Any bluff about it around FFtF(S) was exactly that, frankly - a way to convince the public that no stations would be left unstaffed. The reality is that plenty of stations have been left unstaffed on a daily basis since 2015 - and recent changes are only likely to compound the problem.

For the avoidance of all doubt - as the issue still seems to be confused - “staffing every station”, irrespective of surface or sub-surface, is a choice by TfL and not a legal requirement.

However, TfL are legally mandated, by law, to ensure that all “sub-surface stations” - and this can include some, like Farringdon, which are not technically underground but have an overall covering - meet a minimum staffing requirement. If stations go below minimum numbers they must close.

These regulations apply to all underground railway stations, including e.g. Merseyrail.

Looks like they managed to gather up enough bodies to allow Elizabeth line services to call at Bond Street, TCR, Farringdon and Liv. St. in the end then.
These stations were always expected to be open during the day - they all, however, opened late and will close early, exactly as predicted.

I'm puzzled as to why Network Rail/GWR have cancelled the West Ealing - Greenford trains this week whilst there is still a service on the Central Line between White City and West Ruislip with the stations open?
This is a decision by GWR ultimately. As I said last week - again, aside from early morning and late evening - it was always expected that Greenford, South Ruislip and West Ruislip would be open during the day.

For what it’s worth some of the Met line Chiltern services have also been stopping additionally at all the usual stations once they were opened.

Why now 29 years later ?
Priv has always been a contentious point, it’s not suddenly cropped up out of nowhere. The pre-/post-96 element is a red herring and should be discarded, although there is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding out there even amongst some local reps.

Priv has always been put forward as part of the annual pay claim, but it has now raised its head as TfL offered it as part of the 2023 Pay Deal. The wordings were always quite weasly, but it was taken by most to be a confirmed and deliverable prospect by 1 April 2025. As there has been no meaningful movement for front line staff on “further travel benefits” it is seen to be a breach of the 2023 pay claim.

This was never going to be on the same basis as pre-96 staff, for the avoidance of all doubt, and the expectation was either TOCNE or the NR Leisure Priv.
 

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For what it’s worth some of the Met line Chiltern services have also been stopping additionally at all the usual stations once they were opened.
Chiltern Railways Met line services have been suspended since ~9am and will be all day Great Missenden to London Marylebone it seems (issue at Neasden ?)
 

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Chiltern Railways Met line services have been suspended since ~9am and will be all day Great Missenden to London Marylebone it seems (issue at Neasden ?)
Ah yes... seems it was just the first few that ran through then.

Not sure what the issue is, I'm rest day today so just cobbling things together from sources.
 

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I am surprised that this damaging strike has been allowed to go ahead by all parties involved. Why also would the union choose to deploy the extreme option of a 1-week virtually total shutdown of the tube network. Wouldn't an initial 1-day strike serve as the first shot, then escalation could follow? This is way too harmful to the travelling public.
 

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It would be really interesting to find out which parts of London and type of workers are being heavily affected by the strikes. I would expect people in services, retail and low wage, they are likely to be mostly impacted and the type of people Union's try to protect.

However, for lots of senior and higher paid roles, it doesn't really have any impact (if anything I find them a bonus as there is an excuse to work from home).

Only thing I will be missing out by working from home this week is the free in-office massage :lol:
 

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One random case study. My music student son has booked a concert ticket tonight, plus return travel to London, for the VPO Prom at the Albert Hall. That should be a short Piccadilly Line hop across Zone 1, but is instead a fraught journey trying to work out what's happening on stations and buses and deadlines before and after the concert.
 

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I am surprised that this damaging strike has been allowed to go ahead by all parties involved. Why also would the union choose to deploy the extreme option of a 1-week virtually total shutdown of the tube network. Wouldn't an initial 1-day strike serve as the first shot, then escalation could follow? This is way too harmful to the travelling public.
I think that the RMT are not expecting the strike to last all week as the weak government that we now unfortunately have will back down.
 

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One random case study. My music student son has booked a concert ticket tonight, plus return travel to London, for the VPO Prom at the Albert Hall. That should be a short Piccadilly Line hop across Zone 1, but is instead a fraught journey trying to work out what's happening on stations and buses and deadlines before and after the concert.

Unless he's got a disability, the simple answer is - walk! I don't know the specific journey but central London is surprisingly compact and you're not queueing for buses or taxis then.
 

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Unless he's got a disability, the simple answer is - walk! I don't know the specific journey but central London is surprisingly compact and you're not queueing for buses or taxis then.
First, I posted in response to "how are people affected" as an example, and with fixed times to consider

Second, he is already expecting to walk back from the Albert Hall to King's Cross; his outbound journey is likely to involve the Elizabeth Line to Paddington.
 

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Unless he's got a disability, the simple answer is - walk! I don't know the specific journey but central London is surprisingly compact and you're not queueing for buses or taxis then.
Agreed, it’s almost certainly going to be quicker walking in Zone 1 than relying on overcrowded buses stuck in traffic
 

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I think that the RMT are not expecting the strike to last all week as the weak government that we now unfortunately have will back down.

Well we saw the damage caused when the last government perpetuated strikes for political reasons. As someone who lives in London and is somewhat impacted by the strike, I’d much rather TfL got on with negotiating a sensible solution, than that we have long periods of action due to the government hobbling negotiations.

Priv has always been put forward as part of the annual pay claim, but it has now raised its head as TfL offered it as part of the 2023 Pay Deal. The wordings were always quite weasly, but it was taken by most to be a confirmed and deliverable prospect by 1 April 2025. As there has been no meaningful movement for front line staff on “further travel benefits” it is seen to be a breach of the 2023 pay claim.

That doesn’t seem unreasonable give how much time has elapsed. The 4 day week issue (which I think is another issue in dispute?) really is something that should quite easily be resolvable given that other parts of the industry have worked on that basis for many years.
 

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From previous Network Rail / Toc strikes which were cancelled at last minute but where reduced timetables have operated, it is my understanding that National Rail systems are quite inflexible and it is very difficult to reinstate trains that have been withdrawn from the timetable. Maybe someone from one of the Tocs or Network Rail can explain better.

Due to crowding concerns perhaps? The TL core this AM and PM hasn’t seemed markedly busier than normal. It’ll be interesting to see if there’s any change tomorrow.
 

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Not sure how much support the union has from the public this time.
Who cares? The right-wing media continues to do a number on the minds of the public. I live in London, I take home £2500 a month and 60% of my salary is gone to a parasitic landlord before I can even blink. I completely understand why London Underground staff are trying to improve their pay and conditions.
 

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Not sure how much support the union has from the public this time.

The advent of the Elizabeth Line, frequent Overground services, and dockless bike hire schemes means that people have a lot more ways to get around the city.

The strikes are inconvenient, but don't make it as difficult for people to get to where they need to vs historically.
 

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Well we saw the damage caused when the last government perpetuated strikes for political reasons. As someone who lives in London and is somewhat impacted by the strike, I’d much rather TfL got on with negotiating a sensible solution, than that we have long periods of action due to the government hobbling negotiations.



That doesn’t seem unreasonable give how much time has elapsed. The 4 day week issue (which I think is another issue in dispute?) really is something that should quite easily be resolvable given that other parts of the industry have worked on that basis for many years.

The problem with the 4-day week is that a significant number of drivers, mainly older ones, absolutely don’t want to do it, essentially because they find 8.5 hours intensive metro work often in tunnel challenging as it is. Meanwhile it isn’t like LU’s attendance is great, so anything which will make being at work worse is only going to worsen this. I can’t see this blowing over unless this can be meaningfully reconciled.

But the underlying issue is simply that LU is poorly led and managed. There’s a whole list of things which have been screwed up over the last few years, ranging from the disastrous “fit for the future stations” programme, to the shambles over uniforms.
 

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The problem with the 4-day week is that a significant number of drivers, mainly older ones, absolutely don’t want to do it, essentially because they find 8.5 hours intensive metro work often in tunnel challenging as it is. Meanwhile it isn’t like LU’s attendance is great, so anything which will make being at work worse is only going to worsen this. I can’t see this blowing over unless this can be meaningfully reconciled.

I’m surprised by that as surely four long days (even with intensive work) with an extra day off per week is preferable to five shorter ones - especially given the natural lifestyle restrictions that come with the job.
That said the work is clearly more intense than the equivalent on national rail - albeit I imagine ATO lines less so as there’s little actual driving day to day?

I think from the company point of view four day weeks are more efficient as things like booking on/off times are only four times per week rather than five, so drivers end up more productive. Would rest day work introduced be a solution? I know this has been mooted before.

But the underlying issue is simply that LU is poorly led and managed. There’s a whole list of things which have been screwed up over the last few years, ranging from the disastrous “fit for the future stations” programme, to the shambles over uniforms.

That makes sense. You’ve commented before on the toxic nature of IR generally in TfL, and it doesn’t seem to have improved much.
 

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I think that the RMT are not expecting the strike to last all week as the weak government that we now unfortunately have will back down.
If they make requests like a 9% reduction in working week from 35 to 32 hours (without corresponding 9% cut in pay), then their paymasters are hardly likely to back down.

An alternative way to think about it is would need nearly 10% more staff, which obviously increases costs by 10%.

So unless RMT are away with the fairies, believing there is a magic money tree, to cover this 10% extra staff, then it didn't really matter if strike was 1 day, 1 week, or 1 month, it was never going to be agreed to. Don't get me wrong I understand idea of unions aim to improving pay and conditions, but not a barmy unfunded jump to a level that virtually no one else in the country gets.

I have looked at recent outcomes in this document, under agenda item 6 starting page 23
 

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It’s worth noting that drivers will have the choice of switching to a 4 day or remaining on a 5 day with the same framework limitations and terms and condition. Older drivers can stay as they are.

How it will work in practice remains to be seen but as the company has proposed this compromise then it’s definitely a ‘them’ problem to solve and I believe the unions are currently seeking clarification on how this will work in the real world.
 

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It’s worth noting that drivers will have the choice of switching to a 4 day or remaining on a 5 day with the same framework limitations and terms and condition. Older drivers can stay as they are.

How it will work in practice remains to be seen but as the company has proposed this compromise then it’s definitely a ‘them’ problem to solve and I believe the unions are currently seeking clarification on how this will work in the real world.
It's also really important that we continue to clarify that the 4-day week that is being trialled is for compressed hours, rather than a reduction in hours. This increases the likelihood and risk of fatigue, and does not necessarily correlate to more 'quality time' off - not to mention all the other negatives already raised in this thread.

I think it's also worth mentioning that the 32-hour week is far from the only issue in the dispute, and for some grades (mine included) is not a priority issue.
 
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